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SamCooke (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-09-09 02:44 PM Original message |
Obama said "We can't start from scratch with the Health Care system": Why not? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-09-09 02:46 PM Response to Original message |
1. Let people continue to die |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-09-09 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
2. No reason to start from scratch, expand Medicare to include |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-09-09 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
3. About 90% of the public disagrees with that, and they are right |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 12:53 PM Response to Reply #3 |
41. agrees with what exactly? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-09-09 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
4. So... if we can't have perfect... we'll stay with what we have? |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-09-09 03:29 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. You're assuming that what they're going to pass will be an improvement |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-09-09 03:35 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. I'm not assuming anything. (nt) |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-09-09 03:55 PM Response to Reply #4 |
23. That pretty much summarizes the view of a certain mob section of the board |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-09-09 03:59 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. "mob section of the board" - |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 12:54 PM Response to Reply #24 |
42. yeah, that would be those who dont care that he didnt run on SPHC |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-09-09 04:00 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Apparently there's no reason to hope now... so I guess we may as well just give up. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-09-09 04:08 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. That would be fine if they were actually delivering something. All |
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HopeOverFear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-09-09 02:59 PM Response to Original message |
5. When did he say that, today? |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 12:55 PM Response to Reply #5 |
43. in 2003 |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-09-09 03:11 PM Response to Original message |
6. He doesn't have to start from scratch. |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-09-09 03:32 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. We should expand upon Medicare a model that works. |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-09-09 03:35 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. I thought that Medicare will go broke in 2017? |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-09-09 03:43 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. It has to be everyone and appropriately funded. |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-09-09 03:49 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. The health care industry especially the lobbyists are killing Medicare. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-09-09 04:06 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. Yes, and this will take Congress to revoke it. Then they need to plug |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 01:18 AM Response to Reply #28 |
36. The Republicans have done their best to drown Medicare as well as government in the bathtub. |
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ellacott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-09-09 04:11 PM Response to Reply #21 |
32. The President is recommending that MedPa be given more powers |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-09-09 04:04 PM Response to Reply #13 |
27. So the Chicken Little's of the right would have you believe. |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 12:56 PM Response to Reply #8 |
44. Medicare is not Single Payer, its Public Option. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 03:54 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Actually, it's not. |
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Sunnyshine (698 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 04:07 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. This point confuses or eludes so many people. Thanks for the clarification. n/t |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 06:12 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. medicare was single payer until the 90's |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 07:37 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Traditional Medicare still is. When you sign up with the Medicare |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-09-09 03:33 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. The Ruling Classers don't want to build from Medicare, they want to dismantle it |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-09-09 03:34 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. I'm afraid you are right. The corporate bias is so obvious. n/t |
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Thrill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-09-09 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
10. Because it would take too long to implement. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-09-09 03:35 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. In the sixties Medicare didn't take that long to implement once it was |
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OHdem10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-09-09 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
15. No deal is better than a bad deal. |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-09-09 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
16. Medicare already exists. nt. |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-09-09 03:45 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. That's how I see it too... |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-09-09 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
18. Here is the video... |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-09-09 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
20. AGREED.. Just Say NOOOO To ANY BULLSHIT PUBLIC Plan That Ain't Worth A Shit! |
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PretzelWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-09-09 04:07 PM Response to Reply #20 |
29. that's what I'm saying. We Democrats can throw these jerks OUT if they don't do this right. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-09-09 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
22. Because it means TAKING AWAY tens of millions of peoples' existing health insurance policies |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-09-09 04:03 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. When the public plan is explained to these people, well the public plan we should get |
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HopeOverFear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-09-09 04:11 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. Well how do we get them informed, how do we educate them? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-09-09 04:23 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Personally, I was thinking of getting some flyers printed up with |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-09-09 05:17 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. That is a great idea both the one page flyer and distributing it in a place like a farmer's market. |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 09:36 AM Response to Reply #22 |
38. Those tens of millions, myself included, have ZERO say in 'our' plans. |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-09-09 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
34. Because it means TAKING AWAY tens of millions of peoples' existing health insurance profits. |
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rocktivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 03:50 AM Response to Original message |
37. Sure we can--by nationalizing the health insurance companies' profits. |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 09:37 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Love that idea, but won't happen here. |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 12:47 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Well yes you have been told that over and over again so it must be true. nt. |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 08:00 PM Response to Reply #40 |
50. It would involve an effective socialist takeover, something even FDR backed away from. |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 07:55 AM Response to Reply #50 |
53. "an effective socialist takeover" - hmmm LBJ did it with medicare |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 08:36 AM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Red baiting, hell. I am a socialist. |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 07:45 PM Response to Original message |
49. and toss out millions of jobs? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 09:12 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. This will actually create jobs. Think about it. |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 10:19 AM Response to Reply #49 |
55. Single payer will not toss out millions of jobs. Single payer will actually create milllions of jobs |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 09:14 PM Response to Original message |
52. I hate when these pols make blanket statements like that with no reason behind it. |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
56. I agree. If we don't, we will just be adding a new layer of bureaucracy |
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