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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 09:12 AM Original message |
Why does the EMPLOYER have to PROVIDE healthcare benefits in the USA? |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 09:13 AM Response to Original message |
1. No good reason, unless it's a coal mine, an iron smelter, etc. nt |
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rurallib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 09:17 AM Response to Original message |
2. yep, pretty illogical ain't it. |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 09:20 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. the companies could pay their workers a little more |
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rurallib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 09:38 AM Response to Reply #6 |
14. no idea if they do, but I doubt it. That's one big plus in their |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 01:29 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. Congress could make laws that employers give the money to workers |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 09:17 AM Response to Original message |
3. It's an historical artifact that goes back to WWII. Wage and price controls and labor shortages |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 09:18 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. since unemployment is higher these days......... |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 09:24 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. It's a stupid idea as a way to cover a population. but that's how it came to be. |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 09:26 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. If small businesses were released from this burden they could pay workers more and have more profit |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 09:30 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. I favor a system like they have in Canada. But what it looks like we are going to get is screwed. |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 09:32 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Yes Canada has it right why didn't we do that in the first place? |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 09:34 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. The 1960s. It started out in Saskatchuan then spread to other provences. it's still |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 09:36 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. I guess they didn't have giant health insurance companies to contend with? |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 10:04 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. They did but they also had a political leader with back bone and vision. In fact, |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 06:40 PM Response to Reply #15 |
30. I like the idea of having a larger primary/preventative care rather than expensive secondary care |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 09:19 AM Response to Original message |
5. If we had a real media they would ask the congress critters that. |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 09:20 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Congress should address this issue |
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high density (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 10:12 AM Response to Reply #5 |
16. The media thinks the most viable thing is doing it the GOP way: nothing. Status quo forever |
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kath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 10:14 AM Response to Original message |
17. Health care should NOT be tied to employment. |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 01:25 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. yes |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 07:40 PM Response to Reply #17 |
37. Yep. nt |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 10:18 AM Response to Original message |
18. Benefits need to come from an entity that has the power to negotiate. |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 10:23 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. You make a compelling point. |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 01:27 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. They should have had this ready in 2006 |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
23. Employer based health care is a powerful support mechanism for corporatism |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 02:21 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. employer based health needs chipping away |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
24. Because that allows insurance companies to control citizens. |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 02:22 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. The system we have now needs to fade quickly and be replaced |
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
27. Who has said they have to. My employer does not. |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 06:44 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. yes that's the other problem |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
28. Along with an historical artifact, unions have reinforced the notion over the years |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 06:43 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. I can understand this in the old days but now unions should be supporting single payer |
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mtnester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
29. Give me a $8.00 an hour raise and I would have no problem giving up |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 06:41 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. If you had a single payer system and were not a milionaire |
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mtnester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 07:26 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. That's fine too |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 07:36 PM Response to Original message |
35. Welfare capitalism |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 07:41 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. dismantling will be a task but is needed |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 10:34 AM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Agreed it's no longer a practical system, especially with globalization |
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ChimpersMcSmirkers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 07:37 PM Response to Original message |
36. They've never HAD to, they did it to compete and gain the best workers. |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 07:48 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Why wouldn't Congress do something about it? |
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