Survey explains the why Clark is a hot topic tonight.

[funky_bug]

So I log on to DU tonight and I'm thinking, "Wow! What's with all the Clark-bashing tonight?" It's been rising, but it's REALLY thick this evening. Then I find this:

Race Tightens in homestretch. http://www.surveyusa.com/2004_Elections/IA040108demcaucuses.pdf

No wonder, since just a month ago it was:
Dean Bandwagon picks up speed!
http://www.surveyusa.com/2003_Elections/IA031211demcaucuses.pdf

Dean went from a 19pt lead to a 7pt lead in just under a month.

Then this:
Dean and Clark tied in Tennessee
http://www.surveyusa.com/2004_Elections/TN040108demprimary.pdf

I know this is meant to be serious, but I couldn't help smiling at this "quote" on the survey page: "Dean's advantage is statistically insignificant."

Dean is slipping, Clark is rising, and that seems to answer my question. Cheerio, and flame away. Oh wait, I know... the poll isn't significant. Can you spare me that rebuttal, please?

[Hoppin_Mad]

1. Yeah - Talk to me about IOWA ! ;-) -eom-

[Clark Can WIN]

44. OK I'll bite on that

Iowa is not representative of the Democroatic base as a whole. It seriously lacks diversity.

Iowas silly caucus system discourages much of the regular voting public from participation.

Iowa has put themselves so far in front of the other races that they have rendered themselves nearly irrelevant. This is especially true with a MAJOR (or shall we say General) candidate who has opted out.

In short, there will be a little buzz, kind of honeybee sized for Dean if he wins Iowa. But the upcoming hornets nest of activity of New Hampshire will drown it out very soon. If Dean wins Iowa the reaction will be, ho hum so what everybody expected that. Now if Gep wins Iowa that will be something different entirely. In an odd way I might even hope for a close scrape if I were a Dean supporter to discourage complacency and reenergize New Hampshire. But it's impossible for me to be objective. Still, there it is.

So in short, Iowa? Where the hell is Iowa?

[farmbo]

50. "Iowa lacks diversity?" Get real.S. Carolina..now there's a diverse state

Your candidate is basing his campaign on ignoring Iowa, losing in New Hampshire...then winning the state in Dixie where Strom Thurmond reigned supreme for, what, 65 years?

You have either a lot of nerve or a lot of naivete.

[Dookus]

2. Also...

the New Hampshire Poll has Clark up to 18 from 12, and Kerry down to 12 from 19. Dean is down to 35 from 39.

[wyldwolf]

3. ...and the funny thing is...

They have to recycle old Clark stories - unlike Dean's case where we hear of new gaffes and republican-like situations he's been involved in almost daily now.

[BootinUp]

6. It would almost be boring without Dean in the race...

:)

[funky_bug]

15. Boring?

You may be right. Then they'd all go back to picking on Kuchie-Koo. Tell me this, how come no one picks on Sharpton or CMB? I mean come on... they are funny! "Take the Men-Only sign off the WhiteHouse." Every time she says that I think of a men's restroom sign.

[Bucky]

37. Ev'rybody wants to dis-cuss Dean. It feels so empty with out Dean.

Na na na na na na na na na na na na na
It feels so empty with out Dean.

[funky_bug]

38. Bucky...

I love you. If I were a lesbian, and Clark got the civil union thing squared away, I'd propose to you.

[Bucky]

46. Oh my.

If you were a lesbian I'd be of no use to you. But if I were gay then I could try to console that poor husband of yours.

[funky_bug]

47. You're a GUY???

I am really striking out today with my gender predictions.

But hey, being a guy, you already are a lesbian, so we're half way there!

[BootinUp]

49. that was funny

little mistakes can be that way.

[funky_bug]

4. I'd love to

Did you click on the first two links where Dean went from 42 points in IOWA to 28 pts in IOWA?

Really - if you're going to dismiss the poll without even reading it, what fun is that?

[incapsulated]

5. What is it?

It's fear...

[Padraig18]

7. Give me a BREAK!

Clark bashing is thick????? Are we in the same DU? Read back about 3 pages, and tell me it's CLARK who's being bashed here...:eyes:

[funky_bug]

8. Okay - I will.

General Clark’s Disturbing Record http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=75932&mesg_id=75932

Why is Faux News so Pro Clark? http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=85948&mesg_id=85948

Possible? Is Clark Hoping the Repubs win in 04? http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=85771&mesg_id=85771

How Comfortable are You Voting for a Candidate Who Supported Reagan http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=85639&mesg_id=85639

Can Clark Raise the Money Necessary to Beat Bush http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=85667&mesg_id=85667

How is Clark/Acxiom Different from Chaney/Halliburton? http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=84002&mesg_id=84002

Did Clark Really Say Bombing Journalists is the Same as Bombing an Army? http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=83652&mesg_id=83652

And that was just page one. I got tired of copying and pasting, or I'd have gone back further as you suggested... but then again, those were all posts from this morning and this afternoon.

[BootinUp]

9. eye of the beholder...

what clark bashing? /sarcasm

[Padraig18]

10. What Dean bashing?

/sarcasm off

[funky_bug]

Post wasn't about Dean Bashing.

Start your own post.

[Padraig18]

17. I'll post wherever I wish, thank you.

[funky_bug]

19. Free County

Whine wherever you want to. I rescind my invitation for you to start your own post. Stay and post your own polls here proving me wrong.

[BootinUp]

21. I have always thought it was pretty even to tell you the truth.

[Dookus]

11. LOL

excellent job, Wife

It cracks me up that people only see what they're looking for.

[Padraig18]

13. Lot of truth in what you said, Dookus.

Too bad a great many of your co-cupporters will never see how it applies to anyone else but them...

[Dookus]

42. I didn't

make the assertion that Dean is the put-upon victim here in GD. You did.

A quick check shows that both candidates are getting hit hard.

In my view (YES, MY VIEW) the attacks on Clark are silly. Posting that "has he had a physical?" is serious? It's meant to put a nasty rumor out.

Posting (as you did) a poll about him voting for republicans? I think that's an old smear.

At least the posts against Dean tend to rely on information younger than 15 years old.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

23. "LOL"

Page One

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=86039

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=86086

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=85164

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=85729&mesg_id=85729

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=80380&mesg_id=80380

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=85425

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=84620

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=84280


Page Two Anyone?

[funky_bug]

Rummy Rummy

We all know Dean gets bashed a bunch. But the post was about why Clark is getting his fair share tonight. I simply stated I am of the opinion that the polls might have something to do with it. I never said, nor did Dookie, that Dean doesn't get bashed. But a poster implied Clark wasn't getting bashed. That's why I posted those links. Now, if you think he isn't getting bashed, then feel free to take me on. By the way... cutting and pasting... wasn't that fun? LOL

[Leilani]

16. What about the entire thread

about how Clark looks sick, & probably has cancer, posted by a Dean supporter. I am pissed, big time.

[funky_bug]

24. OH YEAH!

The one posted by a "nurse" who took the time to diagnose the general by watching him on the telly and then report her findings to DU. Yep... that's it. That's the smoking gun. General Clark and his secret cancer. He's revealed 60% of it to the public, but the other 40% is unknown.

[lurk_no_more]

41. Wasn't it reported yesterday that

some dean supporters were rumoring that Kerry's cancer had returned?

I'd forgot about the Clark cancer look.

What is it with dean supporters and cancer?


And then there were none!
” JAFO”

[funky_bug]

45. Cancer Theory

Maybe it's because you don't know it's there, and suddenly it sneaks up and disables you. Sound familiar?

[Donna Zen]

51. Coming soon

to a flyer left on your car.

There was at least one thread on that yesterday too. Always, always, posted with the greatest concern for Clark's health.

[Clark4VotingRights]

52. I read back. Clark is being bashed.

That was easy.

[quinnox]

12. Yes, and there are a lot of supporters in denial

There is also a new Gallup poll showing Dean losing 17% since the last one.

But many supporters don't want to see the reality.

[jonnyblitz]

14. LOL...some of you Clark supporters are way to funny!!

EVERY other thread is a DEAN bashing thread!!!!! LOL. I can't believe this!! sad...

[funky_bug]

18. I know

That's why I thought it so odd to see lots of Clark bashing tonight. Thanks for proving my point.

[jonnyblitz]

27. what point?

You have me completely confused...I just pointed out there was hardly any Clark bashing?!? How does that prove your point! Please make some sense! nevermind... :eyes:

[funky_bug]

31. Read slowly

My original point was that Clark was rarely the topic for flaming, and now from the looks of the first page links provided, Clark has caught up to Dean there too.

[Padraig18]

20. Every-other thread?

How about 2 out of 3?

[jonnyblitz]

28. you just proved her point!

ahem...:shrug: :crazy:

[realdem]

22. Dean Ahead? Calrk is Over

If Dean is ahead of Clark in TN Clark is over. I don't care how small the margin is. Clark was supposed to rule the South. Remember? Wait till the big guns are trained on him, his support will wither.

[funky_bug]

26. Explain to me

how Clark is "over" because he's leading? How about this: If Dean wins IA, then he's over because Clinton came in 3rd in IA and he went on to win.

By your reasoning, my reasoning works.

[realdem]

29. Clark isn't leading TN He's behind by 1%...

but he was supposed to Rule the South. You guys said so. How could Dean, a Northern Yankee be ahead by 1%?

[Clark4Prez]

30. It's a tie according to Survey USA

And its almost a month away from the vote. Time will tell.

[funky_bug]

32. Read the poll carefully

It says in big pretty letters, "Dean's advantage is statistically insignificant. Contest should be reported as a tie."

[realdem]

33. Read the Numbers Carefully

It says Clark behind. ANd the point is he should be way ahead. It is next door to Arkansas, for CHrist's sake.

[QC]

34. Ever heard of "margin of error"?

It's a pretty important concept to keep in mind when reading polls.

[funky_bug]

35. Okay

I'll give you the 1pt. Clark is down 1 pt. Nevermind that the survey says it's statistically insignificant. Never mind the margin of error. Never mind. If that 1 pt makes ya happy, I'll give it to you.

[realdem]

36. I am happy

Clark should be leading by a large margin there and isn't. Dean has gained two points int eh latest (Rassmussin National) poll. He leads in Iowa even with the unprecedented bashing he's taken. The man is amazing and his supporters are amazing.

[Clark4Prez]

39. Shouldn't his lead in Iowa be growing not shrinking?

Dean's polling has dropped 13 points in spite of the Bradley endorsement. Gep and Kerry are within striking distance, if I were you I would want to talk about Tenn too.

[Jerseycoa]

43. Ho

Once Iowan voters get a load of the Canadian tapes and if Kerry wins Harkin's endorsement, Dean might as well pack up and go home.

[funky_bug]

40. We agree on one thing

Some of the Dean supporters are truly amaze me. They amaze me daily.

Additionally, since Dean's been in the race a lot longer than Clark, I'm surprised Clark was able to close the margin so quickly.

[Gloria]

25. By the way, Survey USA is a very reputable polling outfit....it is

one of the most accurate. The company is hired by many municipalities to do polls.

[Clark4VotingRights]

48. Yup. :) Mass panic from so many Dean supporters.

It must mirror the mood in the Dean campaign.

Dean has lost momentum. Clark has gained momentum.

[kayleybeth]

53. I'm sure the Dean campaign saw it coming

But a lot of Dean's supporters apparently did NOT see it coming and their reaction is not very pretty.

All the fire directed at Clark on this board the last couple of days has been disturbing but I take it as a good sign :-)