Breaking: Deans past views. Editted to Yahoo.

[Renew Deal]

I heard about it on Scarborough and searched the internet. Dean speaks for himself. That's all I will post. Scarborough says they will continue this series tomorrow.

Dean says more shocking things. I will let it break on the web.

Note: Newsmax had it first. Yahoo had it 1 hour later.
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Dean's 2000 Caucuses Remark May Haunt Him
6 minutes ago 11:16 PM.

DES MOINES, Iowa - Democrat Howard Dean (news - web sites), engaged in a fierce fight to win Iowa's presidential caucuses, said four years ago that caucuses are dominated by special interests, words that could haunt him with less than two weeks before the Jan. 19 contest.


"If you look at the caucuses system, they are dominated by the special interests, in both sides, in both parties," Dean said on a Canadian television show in 2000. "The special interests don't represent the centrist tendencies of the American people. They represent the extremes."


Dean quickly sought to stem the damage Thursday night, saying, "I support the Iowa caucus" and will continue to press for its first-in-the-nation status. He did not specifically address his comments on the Canadian television program.

Nonetheless, the videotaped comments put him at odds with the power structure he's trying to win over.

<snip>

Dean made the comments on "The Editors," which covered U.S. and Canadian politics and was filmed in Montreal, not far north of Vermont where he served as governor. NBC News reviewed 90 of Dean's appearances on the show since 1996 and first reported his comments about the caucuses Thursday night.

The broadcast comes at a crucial time in the race, just 10 days before Iowa's leadoff caucuses on Jan. 19.
<snip>

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&ncid=694&e=1&u=/ap/20040109/ap_on_el_pr/dean_iowa

[CTLawGuy]

1. newsmax

great source... :eyes:


lets talk about what Clark was saying four years ago...

[Renew Deal]

2. I hate the source but this is still breaking.

Besides that, they are direct quotes from Dean.

[Bozola]

16. Breaking like the wind.

Umm...why is this shocking, exactly?

[Renew Deal]

23. You have to see the video. The video is what is shocking.

[bearfartinthewoods]

65. i'm on dial-up and can't stream what's it say?

[bearfartinthewoods]

70. anyone????

[wtmusic]

25. LOL

a beautiful sentiment :silly:

[lurk_no_more]

37. The man can't stop can he?

isn't this some sort of medical irregularity? Some compulsive disorder? It really isn't normal IMHO.


And then there were none!
” JAFO”

[liberalnurse]

3. I'm so surprised.

[chimpymustgo]

5. This is from an NBC story that ran tonight.

Quit blaming the GD messenger and deal with the issues about this wild man, Howard Brush Dean, III.

[realdem]

15. Nothing Wild Here the MSNBC Article is flattering

[DarkPhenyx]

4. Why is this ugly?

I just don't get it. :roll:

[JaneQPublic]

9. Sounds good to me. I agree with almost everything he said.

It only confirms that Howard has a long history of having the balls to speak the truth no matter how unpopular or politically incorrect.

That's why we love him!

[lurk_no_more]

33. Even though

he flip-flopped with his balls to speak the truth.


And then there were none!
” JAFO”

[Clark Can WIN]

67. <<<< Spits orange juice on the keyboard..................

Funny.

[Indiana_Dem]

6. I don't see anything with voicing your opinion at the time

and none of it was that bad.

[KissMyAsscroft]

7. Dig enough and you will find contradictions with every candidate.

These are words, not deeds. They are easily explained away.

He wasn't caught taking money. All he has to say is, "The circumstances changed, Bush lied, Hamas is bad, etc."

They are going to do this with any candidate.

Think of the field day they would have with Clark.

[molly]

13. Dean has a habit of explaining everything away

he doesn't seem to have a truthful bone in his body.

[KissMyAsscroft]

18. Well, if anyone cared about Kerry's campaign..

He would be having to explain away things as well...

[molly]

19. A lot of people care about Kerry's campaign

he just is basically "dirt-free".

[Lobo_13]

60. Now that's funny n/t

[kerry-is-my-prez]

21. He has absolutley no integrity. I've never seen such sleeze coming out

of the Dem Party before. Out of the Repub Party -yes.

[THX1138]

8. Sounds scandalous

Think I'll give up on Dean and vote for Clark

NOT! :evilgrin:

[Melinda]

10. Dupe thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=84866

Alerted

[Renew Deal]

30. Alert the truth.

[Renew Deal]

32. BTW, it proves I don't read every attack thread on Dean.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

11. You? Scouring NewsMax?

Simply shocking!

[bitchkitty]

12. Oh, well Newsmax.

You evidently don't care if you damage your credibility or not.

[molly]

17. Is it a tape or not?

[Renew Deal]

22. There are 90 tapes. I saw it.

On MSRNC. Dean is complimetary to Bush and looses his cool in the group yelling "crap."

[molly]

27. Not THE Howard Dean that opposed the war and is

messiah to all left wing people?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

24. Scarborough evens it out, though.

Perfectly neutral.

[Renew Deal]

50. They had it first.

AP/Yahoo had it second. I posted the AP article 6 minutes after it came out.

[quinnox]

14. Here is a new link - AP story

Dean's 2000 Caucuses Remark May Haunt Him


DES MOINES, Iowa - Democrat Howard Dean (news - web sites), engaged in a fierce fight to win Iowa's presidential caucuses, said four years ago that caucuses are dominated by special interests, words that could haunt him with less than two weeks before the Jan. 19 contest.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&ncid=694&e=1&u=/ap/20040109/ap_on_el_pr/dean_iowa

Maybe you should repost with this link instead.

[Renew Deal]

20. Thanks

I will edit now.

[Bozola]

31. What a load of crap

"The governor believes the Iowa caucuses remain a good proving ground for candidates as they take their messages into living rooms and around kitchen tables of real people," said Amanda Crumley, spokeswoman for Democratic Gov. Tom Vilsack, who is neutral.

Iowa Democratic Chairman Gordon Fischer said he disagreed with Dean.

"The Iowa caucuses are dominated by regular Iowans who are concerned about bread and butter issues that all Americans care about," Fischer said.


Iowa Democratic Chairman Gordon Fischer sounds like a typical suckass grease monkey.


And there's rooms full of fluffy bunnies and big eyed puppies and eveyone is angelic and happy all the time. Bull.

The "average" citizen can barely get their ass off the couch to vote in the general election much less even fathom what a caucus is. Where I live, Washington, is a caucus state. The caucus meetings are usually dominated by the most organized group; "regular" citizen who go unprepared to a caucus are just grist for the mill. The candidates all know this, and they all try to be the most organized and pack as many of their people into a caucus as possible.

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[molly]

28. I'm trying to understand your post?

[Clark Can WIN]

68. I thnk the word you are looking for is insult

If somone accused me of whacking off on the keyboard I am pretty sure I would take it as an insult.

[Renew Deal]

29. I talked to some voters and volunteers.

Thanks for asking.

[Lobo_13]

34. I hate to tell you this

But that's exactly what the caucuses are all about.

They are dominated by Unions and whoever has an organization to turn people out.

This year is a little different because he's bringing alot of people into it. 20% of the people at the meetup in our county had never caucused before.

He's not saying what the people of IA don't already know.

[farmbo]

35. If MSNBC won't re-run those tapes, the Dean campaign should

They show a (younger looking) Howard Dean speaking out effectively for progressive values in round table discussions with Canadian conservatives.

While MSNBC tried to shill them as "gaffes", they actually re-invigorated my support for Dean.

[Renew Deal]

38. You haven't seen everything there.

and neither have I. The small samples they showed were rough for Dean. Being nice to Bush and losing his cool.

[Jerseycoa]

52. He did look very young

He dissed the Iowa caucuses. I can't see anything good for him in that.

[MercutioATC]

36. An anti-Dean post from Bleachers? Shocking!!!

If that's the best you can do, I'm comfortable...

[Renew Deal]

41. Search my posts today.

It depends on your definition of anti-Dean. I have dealt with the truth. I have not "attacked" anyone

[MercutioATC]

42. I think it's no secret that you post your share of "anti-Dean" posts...

...and I think that at least 9 of 10 DU'ers would agree with me. You're certainly entitled to an opinion, but your "truths" seem to be biased against one specific candidate...

[Renew Deal]

48. You are probably right

but we all have an opinion. I have also been kind to other candidates and to other supporters. I agree. I am biased.

[MercutioATC]

59. So am I :)

I'm a little snarky tonight...thanks for the civil response...

[slinkerwink]

39. Howard's a Lowdown-Scum-Sucking-Left-Wing Liberal Scum!

ha, got you to read my post. Okay, here's the real truth on Dean.

Tale of the tape on Howard Dean

Edited on Fri Jan-09-04 12:01 AM by PatrickS
WASHINGTON - Aired in Canada and PBS stations in the United States, “The Editors” is a public affairs TV show that most Americans probably haven’t seen. It features a roundtable panel of politicians, journalists, and policy wonks who discuss American and Canadian politics, foreign affairs, and social issues.

But old episodes of the “The Editors” might soon become must-see TV for followers of the 2004 presidential race. While governor of Vermont, Howard Dean was a regular guest on the show, and the NBC News Investigative Unit has now obtained the videotapes of 90 of his appearances from 1996 to 2002. They help answer one of the race’s biggest questions: Just who is Howard Dean? Is he the angry, liberal, combustible flip-flopper that his opponents and some chattering pundits claim he is? Is he, as other rivals suggest, too conservative when it comes to guns, trade, and balancing the budget? Is he ignorant on foreign policy issues? Or is he the magnetic, straight-talking candidate his admirers say he is?

As reported by Lisa Myers on NBC's “Nightly News,” Dean comes across in these tapes as having a wide-ranging intellect, a sharp tongue, and shifting views on some key issues.

Yet he also shows that he’s much more consistent on issues — like affirmative action and trade — than some of his opponents give him credit for. And despite the constant complaints that Dean has no foreign policy experience, he demonstrates a good grasp of international affairs.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3908334/

[molly]

40. Are you disputing the tapes' credibility?

[Clark Can WIN]

69. It was probably just Karl Rove in a Dean suit

with a time machine :P

[Eric J in MN]

43. Good for him. Dean said he doesn't like the influence of special interests

Good for him. Dean said he doesn't like the influence of special interests. Politicians say that all the time.

[Clark4VotingRights]

44. What am I missing? I don't see where Dean said anything bad here.

All I see is obvious truths.

[Renew Deal]

46. You have to see the video.

Also the newsmax article had more.

[killbotfactory]

47. I guess you didn't get the memo...

I didn't get it either.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

45. As someone who never misses an opportunity to criticize Dean

I didn't think there was much to criticize in his "The Editors" comments. The Iowa caucus comment is probably the most volatile but I personally don't see the big deal.

[Renew Deal]

49. He says Bush is a moderate at heart.

Is one of the many. There are 90 tapes.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

57. Well I'm sure he said plenty of things I disagree with

being Howard Dean after all. But just from the MSNBC and Yahoo articles I didn't see any glaring, outright lies, so for Dean, that's not bad.

[KittyWampus]

51. Okay... Is Dean Is Or Is Dean Ain't A Centrist

Or a Liberal or the flag bearer of the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party.

"The special interests don't represent the centrist tendencies of the American people. They represent the extremes."

So the extreme right represents...................................... (fill in blank)
So the extreme left represents........................................ (fill in blank)

Unfortunately for Dean, his comments can be construed as being disrespectful of those participating in the Caucuses.

[JaneQPublic]

53. Want flip-flopping? Look at how the original message changed!

Both the Subject and text of the original message of this thread has been totally changed to something different.

What happened to those quotes in bold that I read earlier?

That's pretty slimy, to change the subject matter of the thread, after several dozen people have already commented on it.

[Renew Deal]

55. Go to Newsmax and read them then,

I only used them becuase they had it first. I changed it off Newsmax ASAP. Sorry if it bothers you.

Note: 17 minutes after.

[w4rma]

54. Noone gives enough of a whit about this to switch their vote over it (n/t)

[Renew Deal]

56. The problem could be if it pushes Harkin over the top

to another candidate. That could be huge.

[in_cog_ni_to]

58. I just watched the tape

and Dean is saying in December of 2000 that "Bush, in his heart is a MODERATE" Let me repeat that ...in case you didn't see it. In December 2000 Dean said that "Bush, in his heart, is a MODERATE"....We all know, because they showed this too, that Dean NOW says "Bush is a RADICAL...he's the most radical of my lifetime."

If they have 90 of these tapes and show them. It ain't gonna be pretty!

Well now, looks like Clark praising republicans is no worse than Dean praising the chimp himself. This is priceless.

[John_H]

61. Wait! I thought Dean was not a centrist? Wait. Are we talking

about his record or what he says? Wait. I'm so confused!

[Renew Deal]

62. Dean said Bush will not be a one term president.

What does that mean?

[bigtree]

63. he talks himself in circles

He will be a tough candidate to defend. It's like we have to explain away everything he says. Or so it seems. No Democrat in memory has been so alternately far right and far left at the same time.

You Dean supporters might be able defend him now to us die hard Democrats. This is gonna be haaarrd work! Watch the mess in the coming days. And get yourself a large looseleaf to keep your spin together. Geez!

[dolstein]

64. Will the REAL Howard Dean please stand up?

Funny, but the Howard Dean of 2000 makes a lot more sense than the Howard Dean of today.

[Clark Can WIN]

66. I am curious to see what else is on the tapes

because what they have shown so far just looks like typical Dean. I thought there would be a bigger zinger, and there may yet be, who knows.