if you think Dean's comments about caucuses are insulting...

[CTLawGuy]

what does it say when certain candidates ignore Iowa and dont camapaign there?

[funky_bug]

1. According to the recent polls

It doesn't say anything at all.

[MIMStigator]

2. It says they aren't hypocrites

eom

[LuminousX]

3. I was thinking the same thing

They don't even think enough of the process to participate. At least Dean, who has had issues with Iowa (what was his experience in 1988 when helping Gephardt....hmmm?), still knows the value of Iowa.

This too shall pass.

[Renew Deal]

4. It says good move.

Clark 17 points away from Dean. Up 6 on Kerry

[whirlygigspin]

10. out of context

take a quote from 20 years ago and try to apply it to today...

All I know is the man had over 500 people show up in Fargo, not liberal country...if that's proof of anything..
as the headline read:

"House is packed for Dean speech in Fargo"

...not exactly "liberal" country...and the man still packs them in!

[JI7]

5. what did dean say about caucuses ?

what did he say that was insulting ?

[w13rd0]

7. He said that special interest groups on both sides of the aisle...

...had too much influence over the caucus process, and no one should have to stand around for 8 hours arguing to cast their vote . Devestating, isn't it?

[slinkerwink]

12. and that was years ago, and they shortened the caucus time to 2 hours

and Dean wasn't talking about Iowa when he made that comment...

[janx]

21. The caucus process is far from ideal, even now.

The meaning of the word, if you consult a dictionary that is old enough, leans toward a kind of secret control--people meeting in secret to pull strings, etc. In nineteenth century England, it was actually a term of abuse: an organization seeking to manage an election and dictate to its constituencies (1878).

So it has had its seamier implications through the years.

[pocoloco]

22. I'm inclined to agree with him,

and it doesn't sound like much fun either!

[conservdem]

6. What do you think about his comments?

[w13rd0]

9. About what I expected...

...I'd love to see the other episodes he's been in. The media is trying to spin things into a dogfight because its good for ratings. But anyone who actually sees the footage, I don't think it's going to change anyones mind, except maybe to support Dean. If they reviewed 90 episodes, and this is the worst they could come up with...Dean is golden.

[windansea]

8. it says TANK

[maxr4clark]

11. That they got into the race too late, and got a tough call right

[in_cog_ni_to]

13. "Bush, in his heart, is a MODERATE"

Howard Dean said that in December 2000. He sings a different tune now that he's running for prez, Bush is a "radical". Dean's in deep doo doo. Can't say that I'm crying over that fact. :bounce:

It won't do any good to try and turn this around on Clark. Your guy did this to himself. His big mouth is finally catching up to him.

[CTLawGuy]

14. Bush DID run as a moderate

you know...

What did Clark think of Bush around that time... HMMMMMMMMMMM?

[w13rd0]

16. He thought...

..."damn, I can't believe Cheney chose himself over me! But gee golly, those are some great men, neocon friends of mine, that committed election fraud and orchestrated a coup. But we need them in there. Let's contribute a hundred thousand to their "recount" fund."

I'm sure if we poured through all of Clark's appearances on CNN, we could glean clear, no bullshit statements about his Democratic principles...right?

[Dookus]

23. can you provide

some evidence that Clark provided 100k to Bush's "recount fund"

I'll anticipate your non-response and say "I thought you couldn't".

[lurk_no_more]

17. He thought he was "doing a fine job on terrorism"

Oh wait....that was the other guy that thought this.


And then there were none!
” JAFO”

[in_cog_ni_to]

18. Excuses, excuses, excuses.

One of these days Dean supporters will tire of making excuses for him.

[Fleshdancer]

19. Many people thought the same thing

This is what drove me nuts in 2000. Bush painted himself as a moderate. A "compassionate conservative". The Governor of Texas doesn't have all that much power and what influence he did have, well his records were sealed so no one knew. (disclaimer: yes, I think the remaining 40% of Dean's records should be unsealed so don't flame me on this and get off subject)

People have such short memories. Remember Bush the candidate in 2000? Running as an isolationist? We shouldn't meddle in the problems of the world?? We should be compassionate? Remember?

Democratic Texans knew better, but did they listen?? Noooo. Ann Richards warned that he would run as a moderate and then spend 2 years as a freeper (okay, I'm paraphrasing the freeper part) and spend the last two years as a moderate for the sole purpose of winning votes. This is what he does. He's an opportunist.

Sure Dean was fooled. But many people, even the one's who did NOT vote for him (which includes Dean by the way) thought Bush was indeed a moderate Republican.

[w13rd0]

20. I know I did...

...it wasn't until halfway thru the Republican primaries that it started dawning on me he was FAR, FAR too dangerous to not vote Gore. And then the election sealed it. At least he wasn't holding fundraisers for the coup leader.

[maxanne]

15. funny

I told my state party some very similar things about our caucus process. Pissed a lot of folks off, too.