Lieberman was the reason Gore lost.. seriously he was..

[Peacetrain]

Oh the right wing had a field day, but I remember so many people who were okay with Gore, but there was something about Lieberman that just did not inspire them one bit..

He has a smarmy gollum quality.. There are times, that who you pick for VP can really impact on if you will win or not.

That was one of them.
EDIT EDIT EDIT... I meant Gore.. I was having a senior moment there.. sheesh..

[nsd]

1. Gore picked Lieberman. Kerry picked Edwards.

Both picks left something to be desired.

[Peacetrain]

11. I know.. What I was thinking and what I was typing got crossed in the synapses

[Dinger]

26. That's For Sure

I still have fantasies about 2004 and a John Kerry/Wes Clark ticket. I still like Wes Clark, a lot.:patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:

[rebel with a cause]

38. Both picks turned me off big time.

Lieberman was worse in some ways, but Edwards gave me the willies also. I held my nose and voted due to the VP choices.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. Lieberman was Gore's running mate, not Kerry's.

But I agree that he did Gore no good at all. Edwards was Kerry's running mate.

[Peacetrain]

7. Brain Hiccup..

[hedgehog]

3. I think Kerry made a grave mistake selecting Lieberman.

That decision should be studied by every Democratic politician who thinks the way to win is to pander to a voting bloc rather than convincing people to support your ideas.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

6. Kerry did not select Lieberman. Gore did. Kerry selected Edwards.

[rvablue]

4. You might want to edit your post. Your facts are wrong. n/t

[Peacetrain]

8. I know, had a moment there.. I get them every now and then

[graywarrior]

5. Say, what?

[Peacetrain]

9. Brain fart

been a long day

[hedgehog]

12. Contagious brain fart!

:blush:

[Peacetrain]

15. I am making some tea to clear the gray matter.. you want one lump of sugar or two

in yours :)... I have been making goobers like that all day..

[graywarrior]

13. Been there.

I posted too many paragraphs over in GD and got "corrected" on it today. *sigh*

[Peacetrain]

16. Glad I am not alone.. thank GOD people came in and gave me a heads up

before my half hour of edit time was up.. now that WOULD have been embarrassing.. Many times I come in leave a post and get back to doing something real time and do not check what I have left in an op...

Whew..

[bobbolink]

10. And all this time I've believed DUers who blame Nader. I'm soooo confused.

:shrug:

[Peacetrain]

14. Nadar screwed the pooch when he took money from the republicans to run against

the Democrats..

[bobbolink]

22. Oh,, good...there for a minute I thought DU had grown up.

Thanks for setting me straight.

[demwing]

29. OK, you started it

so you think its childish to assign blame to Nader. I think it's insane to say there was no difference between Bush and Gore.

I'd rather be childish and right than insane and have voted for Nader.

[bobbolink]

32. You have been proved wrong time and time again, yet you persist, and add name-calling to it.

I guess blind prejudice is considered by you to be a virtue.

[demwing]

36. You are speaking words of nonsense

Unless you mean that I name-called against Nader. Truly, if he meant what he said about Gore and Bush being the same, he's nuts. If he didn't really mean it, then hes a self serving liar.

The only thing in this sad story that's been proven again and again is that a vote for Nader is a wasted vote.

[derby378]

17. You're all wrong...

The Democrats never took the threat of George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, and Karl Rove seriously. That's how they were able to steal the election in Florida with help from Katherine Harris, disenfranchise the black voters who could have turned the tide, and send James Baker with an emergency appeal to the Supreme Court, where all the friends of Bush's dad knew just how to vote.

[Peacetrain]

18. Well you may think I am wrong.. but you missed the really BIG wrong

about five minutes ago.. ;)

[derby378]

20. I heard, but it's all right

:hi:

[izquierdista]

23. And you are 100% correct

They should have tarred Dubya with the brush from his father's shit-bucket. They should have reminded people of how horrible Bush the First was and scared them away from repeating the blunder. But no, they were going to run a "dirty" campaign. They should have remembered what Truman said: "I don't give the Republicans hell, I tell the truth and they think it's hell."

[Jack Rabbit]

19. You ignore one very important point

Gore won the election. The reason he didn't become president was Katherine Harris.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

21. I'd like to agree, but cannot. Lieberman carried Florida.

Without Joementum I think Bush would have won Florida for real.

From the perspective of a black presidency it is hard to remember that an orthodox jewish VP was a big deal nine years ago, but it was.

[Jim Lane]

30. I think you're right, but you also have to consider the second-closest state

I heard in 2000 that Gore's short list for VP included John Kerry. I agree with you that the Gore/Kerry ticket probably loses Florida legitimately, but Kerry's over-the-border strength delivers New Hampshire, which in real life went narrowly for Bush. New Hampshire gives Gore the presidency even without Florida.

So, in that sense, Lieberman did lose it for Gore.

[tomm2thumbs]

24. Lieberman is on nobody's team but his own - he's a traitor

Who else could rationalize supporting Palin as vice president. THAT ALONE shows how he works. He would rather see the country fail than not get his way. THAT, my friends, is the sign of a traitor to this country.

[wroberts189]

25. I bet Gore regrets that decision big time. nt

[CTyankee]

27. that decision was made erroneously, IMO. Only based on Clinton's folly with Monica.

Most dems didn't really care about Monica. Gore made too much of a deal about it. I don't know why. Where were his pollsters? I don't think most Americans cared that much and anyway, if they did, they certainly didn't think Gore had anything to do with it!

[jimlup]

28. In case you didn't notice Gore won that election!

Actually he won it fairly convincingly. Florida should have gone his way and would have if the rules had been followed.

Gore did make a mistake picking Lieberman though... that's true.

[Zavulon]

31. Lieberman didn't help at all.

Even though Cheney was wrong on the issues, he still slapped Lieberman around like a tetherball in the VP debate. Cheney was confident and quick with his answers, whereas Lieberman sounded like a retard, and anyone on the fence waiting for that debate to decide things for him and her wasn't likely to go Democrat after Lieberman sounded like Jimmy on South Park against Cheney.

For the record, though, I think Edwards was a lot more harmful to Kerry than Lieberman was to Gore.

[OwnedByFerrets]

33. Gore didn't fucking lose. The SCOTUS stole it illegally,

[Better Believe It]

34. I thought Ralph Nader stole the election and Leiberman ran an aggressive anti-Bush campaign.

Leiberman greatly strengthened Gore's campaign .... isn't that right? Leiberman got the radical, left-wing and socialist votes which ate into Nader's base.

Sure.

That's what happened.

Well, that's what some people have written on DU!

:)

[PurityOfEssence]

35. Gore picked him to distance himself from Clinton

Yet another example of the folly of caving to reactionaries.

[Better Believe It]

40. And draw him closer to Bush? Smart move! Did it work?

[PurityOfEssence]

43. Big blunder

Lieberman was really the first major sitting Democrat to wag his finger at Bill Clinton and claim the moral high ground. By bringing Quisling Joe onto the ticket, Gore was distancing himself from Clinton, and the rest of the campaign was a dismal series of acquescences to the reactionaries.

Clinton was popular at the time, and blowing off an asset was simply foolish. Arkansas could have sealed that election even with outright theft in Florida.

[opihimoimoi]

37. My guess...one or more Pub Moles got to Gore ....to select Joe...Why?? Who knows...but it worked..

and we knoes the rest...

[Kingofalldems]

39. The Cheney debate was an absolute disgrace

[earth mom]

41. Gore won-the presidency was STOLEN from him. nt

[Cleita]

42. I agree he was a big liability and when he had that kissy, kissy debate with Dick Cheney where

he basically agreed with everything Cheney said, I knew he was a very weak link in the campaign right there because his true colors were showing. I got a lot of flack here at DU for saying so, that he couldn't be trusted, from DUers who thought that Lieberman was a painted saint. Well, here I stand having to say I told you so again. However, I think Katherine Harris and the voting machine cheat in Florida had a lot more to do with Gore losing than Lieberman. They put enough doubt in the election returns to enable the Supreme Court to step in and appoint Bush President. In a way though I am happy that it kept him from ever having a chance of becoming President. If Gore had served his two terms, Joe would have been next. :scared: