Big Ed: Obama sold out his base for this health care bill

[bigdarryl]

OH PLEASE!!!!! Ed the blue dogs just wouldn't give in to everything that was propose. I agree it's a bad bill but to say the President sold out sometimes Big Ed is part of the problem not the solution.

[villager]

1. So if you agree it's a bad bill, what, exactly have we "gained" from all this?

n/t

[Riverman]

4. We have gained nothing, yet, nor when passed will have gained

'cept maybe allowing for some concessions about pre-existing conditions, but the insurance vultures will gain 350 million paying customers, then raise rates for all to cover the newly added pre-existing conditions.

[villager]

7. Exactly. The base, it would seem, has been thoroughly sold out by the party.

Not just Obama, but all of 'em.

[chimpymustgo]

14. Big Ed is spot on.

[27inCali]

19. a lot of people are engaged who weren't before

60 something % of the country wants a strong public option for those currently without insurance and are emotionally engaged.

if we don't get a decent bill that does that, they wont blame Obama so much as they will blame the Republicans, Lieberman and Baye. I think the polling is bearing that out. Even if we get nothing now -and I think we will get an inadequate little something now, a lot of voters (Dem, Rep, Ind) will flip out with anger at the people blocking it and they will vote for more Progressives who will back tough health care reforms. This will especially effect Senate races where the argument becomes.....you may not agree with me on a lot of issues, but you know I will be the last vote we need to get REAL healthcare reform.

I DONT THINK THIS ISSUE IS GOING AWAY.

[zulchzulu]

2. Obama has only said 10,000 times he wants a Public Option

Maybe Big Ed missed the class where Presidents aren't Kings... funny thing about legislation and how Congress and the Senate are involved too...

:crazy:

[rudy23]

12. I've been hearing him try to redefine the public option every time he's come out in favor of it.

It's no small point whether the public option is available to 5% or 100% of us.

Every time I heard Obama talk about the public option, he tried to weaken the definition of that term.

[Cant trust em]

15. The bigger question is which version of the public option has the votes to pass. nt

[rudy23]

16. Which arms is Obama twisting to help it pass, the Progressives or the Blue Dogs?

Seems like every move he made was against progressives. We won't forget it, either.

[Better Believe It]

20. That's a simple question. The progressives and liberals in Congress

[ej510]

31. Obama has been giving progressives this the entire time.

[Vincardog]

3. You have to realize that Big head ED is really a repuke. He just came to our side of the dial for

the ratings. He betrays himself in his rants and tactics.

[bigdarryl]

6. I didn't know that he really was a rethug? WOW

[Vincardog]

18. He is his wife is the one who convinced him to start talking out of our side of his mouth

[Thrill]

5. I like Eddie, but he overreacts too much

[joeycola]

8. Big Ed is spot on.

[lamp_shade]

9. Thanks for the heads up. I think I'll skip his 6:00 show. I can't take his yelling sometimes.

[Better Believe It]

21. To liberal for ya? You could always go over to Fox if you prefer them.

[lamp_shade]

34. Oh it's YOU.

[chimpymustgo]

22. Can't handle the truth?

[lamp_shade]

35. Some days I just can't handle the yelling. That's all.

[butterfly77]

10. I am so damn tired of ed telling us that..

that all the President has to do is tell these bluedogs and fake Dems to vote for everything he wants and they will do it.

Some of these senators and congressmen and women never have intended to pass any bill for healthcare they are undercover republiCONS who have been slow walking it and will continue to try to water it down as much as possible...

Ed even spouts out their talking points about being weak etc..If the President jumped up and down and screamed day in and day out about the public option they still wouldn't give him what he wants they are really RepubliCONS. A lot of these congressmen and senators are jealous of Obama and don't intend to lift a hand to help if they can.

Some Dems don't like the fact that a black man is President and they aren't fooling anyone. I have been watching the Dems just like the Republicons since day one some can't stand it. One reporter who hates Obama's guts is Chip Reid on cbsnews. I have been watching him since day one he has been digging and digging trying to get something to stick. Yes,we are watching you Chip and you are fooling anybody.


It has nothing to do with strength or weakness,the same thing goes for this war. Everybody knows that we are not going to win and if we are suppose to win what does winning mean. If the president does send in some more troops I would give them six months and if they don't have control of their own country by then,too bad.

I am sick of this shit with the military,republicons and the media trying to prolong the war they know what the choices are and they are trying to bait our president into keeping this shit going. These people are only worried about the contracts and drug money they are getting they don't intend to do anything.

A lot of these senators are probably the drug lords if they are fighing a drug war why then,can I go out just about anywhere in the United States and get some drugs,they are full of shit and everyone is afraid to say what the truth really is. The public knows it and we all have been discussing it for years...

[uponit7771]

33. AMEN!! WTF is Ed complaining about?!?!?!

[Cant trust em]

11. Who could have guessed that some liberals wouldn't be happy with anything short of single payer?

:sarcasm:

[rudy23]

13. I think it's that it's short of a robust public option that's so upsetting, not single payer

I've been seeing that meme float around lately, and it needs to be squashed like a bug.

[Armstead]

24. Bingo -- The public option was already a huge compromise for many

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

28. I don't know why it's so hard for people to understand this point. They didn't even put

single payer on the table. From the beginning the liberals/progressives were shut out of the debate. The public option IS the compromise. And still, it looks like the liberals in the House are compromising the compromise. While I understand why they are doing so, even being asked to compromise further, after they have already given the Blue Dogs and Republicans concession after concession, is ridiculous to me.

We need to take money out of the political process. As long as there is no meaningful, comprehensive campaign finance reform, the liberals/progressives will always have to settle and compromise.

I'm sick and tired of it, too. Why is it that neither the Blue Dogs nor the DLCers are ever asked to compromise? It's always the loyal base. They take for granted that we'll always be there...and we'll always be ready to compromise.

That's why I left the Democratic Party years ago. Looks like I'm headed back out of the door again if things don't change.

[bigdarryl]

17. he's even going as far today saying we should wait next year

for health care reform to try and get more dems in the 2010 election.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

27. That meme is already circulating around here

Waiting isn't going to accomplish anything IMHO other than, perhaps, ensuring that Republicans and Conservadems feel more emboldened and that we get more of them in the next Congress. I say we get passed what we can get passed (even if Reid has to go the reconciliation route in the Senate for the PO) and use it as a launching pad for further reforms. President Obama stated that he doesn't see what happens now as being the end of health care reform but rather the beginning. I think that we should all adopt that mentality instead of complaining about how we are not getting everything that we want right now.

[still_one]

23. Ed is emotional, however, Obama has not done enough. That is his style

but frankly, trying to "compromise" with the republicans, a group who has declared that they will do everything to destroy is absolutely insane

[Sebastian Doyle]

25. FUCK what the blue balled cowards want

What the FUCK ever happened to "Majority Rules"??

[BzaDem]

40. Majority rule is alive and well, at least in the House.

Unfortunately, the thing that you just don't want to believe is, there is NOT a majority to pass a robust public option in the house. There IS a majority to kill a robust public option in the house.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

26. Ed is wrong on this. This is the Blue Dogs/DLCers in Congress. It's not even Pelosi or Reid's

fault. There's a number of issues to be angry at Obama about. This is not one of them. The president doesn't control Congress. However, he could have been a more forceful advocate for a public option. Perhaps that would have pushed the Blue Dogs a bit more.

[andym]

29. It seems that the bill strips the anti-trust exemption from the insurers.

I am very happy with that.

[impik]

30. Wow. If "Big Ed" said so, it must be true

The guy is a thug.

[uponit7771]

32. WTF is he complaining about!!?!!??!?!?!?! What is NOT in the bill that hee needs?

[Jennicut]

36. I am tired of the health care debate in general. I will be glad when we all move on to complaining

about something else.
I am a diabetic and care most about covering pre existing conditions. We shall see.

[vaberella]

37. Well someone reviewed the health care bill proposed and I just got insurance on the PO.

On this me and Ed are on different wave lengths.

[Phx_Dem]

38. Fuck off Ed. I'm sick of listening to you yell and rant.

[butterfly77]

39. I don't think that some people realize yet that..

a lot of these Dems are really working with the republicons,they hate him just as much as the cons and some of them are racists too..no matter what they don't intend to pass anything.

[SoFlaJet]

41. I'm really getting sick of this guy

He gives me a headache. Ed would prefer that we run the country the same way that the Bush admin. ran it. He's like listening to another Fox personality in bizarro world. His daily rants are getting old to this progressive.

[CTLawGuy]

43. that's the TRUTH

he once said that he ADMIRED the way Bush could get stuff done. Really Ed? Bush is to be ADMIRED, for ANYTHING?

[Bushknew]

42. Thank goodness for Ed.