The house bill has been posted for months.. the senate bill at least the last 10 days..

[Peacetrain]

Lets just be clear about time lines here.. just saying
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Edit to add.. My head is just pounding right now.. the house bill, is basically what the house bill was before.

If you did not look at the details for the last few months and now, there is no way in hell you have read that 1900 pages, and NOW you are livid beyond belief..

Where were you 3 months ago?

[Better Believe It]

1. You're wrong! Can I get a woo hoo? This combined House bill was just released and posted today!

We do need some clarity about timelines.

[Peacetrain]

2. Yes..the house bill is basically the same as it has always been..

I will be glad to give you a woo hoo.. :bounce:

http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2009/10/house-dems-unveil-health-care-bill.html

House Dems unveil health care bill


House Democratic leaders unveiled a sweeping, $894 billion health care bill today they said would cover 36 million uninsured Americans -- the latest version of the health care legislation added to the mix on Capitol Hill.

The bill, which includes a government-run insurance program known as the public option and calls for new taxes on high earners, marked a significant step in President Obama's effort to expand coverage to millions of uninsured people but Democrats at the event acknowledged there is a long road ahead.

"We have listened to the American people," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said at a campaign-style event to unveil the bill on the west steps of the U.S. Capitol.

The legislation is similar to the bill House Democrats introduced months ago but substantially different from proposals working their way through the Senate. The Senate legislation includes a tax on high-priced insurance plans and one bill, passed by the Senate Finance Committee, does not include a public option.

[Cha]

4. Thanks for the

woohoo}(

[Peacetrain]

5. Leaving no one out... Just for cha

woo hoo:bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce:

[Better Believe It]

6. You're wrong again! This bill is 1990 pages, the earlier bill was 1,200 pages. Woo Hoo!

This combined bill is substantially different than the original bill supported by Pelosi that contained 800 less pages.

How about some clarity on your part? Gimme a woo hoo!

[Peacetrain]

9. From what I have read, it is very similar to the original proposal..

How is that for CLEAR..

[cherokeeprogressive]

11. About as clear as mud actually.

So you're saying that 700 BLANK pages were added to what was the original bill?

[Peacetrain]

12. Okay,... tell me exactly what is different in the House Bill..(not the Baucus Bill)

that is different than anything we have been reading about for months now. What jumped out today that was never talked about, written about, discussed in here about.

If I missing it, then I will be the first to acknowledge it.. But I have most certainly not read the entire bill, and the summaries I am reading now, I have read this before..

[cherokeeprogressive]

13. Let me step up and apologize. I don't know what I was thinking about. I mixed the two up.

Sorry. You are right, and I was wrong.

[Peacetrain]

14. Hey we are in the same boat on this one.. this is so hard to keep straight..

:hi:

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

15. Just make assertions before you know anything concretely

That always works out well.

Actually up until now, a lot of discussion/criticism has been shut down with comments like: How can anyone possibly know what they are talking about? There are three bills out there. Who knows what will end up in the final version? Hold your fire - who knows what will end up in the final version, etc. etc. etc.

Now, finally, is the final version that people can discuss concretely and with specifics and you chastise them for that! Meanwhile asserting there are no differences from . . . those other THREE separate bills. Oh, excuse me, you said they were "similar". But anyway, carry on.

http://www.businessweek.com/blogs/money_politics/archives/2009/10/pelosi_moves_ho.html
Pelosi Moves House Health Care Reform Bill
Posted by: Jane Sasseen on October 29

Congress moved another step closer to health care reform today, with the release by Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif) of a combined House bill that merged together key aspects of the three bills that had passed the House in the summer. The bill — which came in at a whopping 1990 pages - contained a few significant changes, though no great surprises. Perhaps the most notable thing about it: even as Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev)surprised Washington earlier in the week by announcing that the Senate bill would be more liberal than many expected, Pelosi has been forced to push the House bill in a more moderate direction.

While Reid won plaudits from unions and the left of his party by pledging to include a public insurance plan that states can opt out of in the Senate bill, Pelosi backed down on her efforts to include the most aggressive plans for a public option in the House bill. For weeks, she had been pushing for a “robust” public option that would reimburse hospitals and doctors at Medicare rates. But conservative Blue Dogs and others from rural states would have none of it: they insisted that they would only support a public insurance option if it negotiates rates with health care providers like any private insurer.

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Lacking the votes to push the robust plan through, Pelosi offered up the more moderate alternative in the combined bill, which will now be sent to the floor of the House for debate. Pelosi aims to have a vote before Veterans Day, Nov. 11th.

In other ways too, the Speaker ended up with a bill closer to the version likely to emerge from the Senate. The House bill would impose a 2.5% tax on medical device makers starting in 2013, for example. With the Senate targeting device makers too -- they have suggested a $40 billion excise tax to be paid over the next decade, the provision aligns the two bills on the principal. Most analysts believe the fees will eventually be knocked down to somewhere between $20 to $30 billion, however.

[Peacetrain]

3. Kicking this back up

[Better Believe It]

7. Really? Well, how about posting a link to the combined Senate bill announced by Senator Reid.

Senator Reid hasn't posted the text of the new combined Senate bill on the internet yet, however, since you claim to have seen this bill please post your link so all of us can read it.

[Peacetrain]

8. The Baucus Bill.. seriously, .. we have been railing against that thing

for weeks now..http://www.politico.com/static/PPM138_090916_baucus.htm

[Clio the Leo]

10. ha haaaa!!!! ....... Whoohooo!!!! NT