Families USA: "Pelosi’s Health Reform Bill Sets the Gold Standard for Health Reform"

[ProSense]

House Speaker Pelosi’s Health Reform Bill Sets the Gold Standard for Health Reform This Year

Families USA Particularly Lauds the Speaker’s Proposal That Makes Health Coverage and Care Affordable for Families in Greatest Need

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi today unveiled her health reform bill that will be debated on the floor of the House of Representatives next month. The following is the statement of Ron Pollack, Executive Director of Families USA, about this development:

“The House health insurance reform bill sets the gold standard for legislation that deserves to be adopted this year.

“The bill will provide America’s families with peace of mind. It does so by ensuring that affordable, high-quality health coverage and care will not be taken away from them, even when they get sick, have a pre-existing condition, or lose their jobs.

“Families USA especially lauds the House proposal because it makes health coverage affordable for families most in need. It does so by ensuring that Medicaid, a key safety net program, will become available for families with incomes below 150 percent of the federal poverty level—approximately $33,000 in annual income for a family of four.

“The bill also provides needed subsidies so that health insurance premiums will be affordable for working families.

“We urge the House to adopt this bill as soon as possible. We will mobilize families across the country to secure final passage of the legislation this year.”

[AllentownJake]

1. I swear you are on some sort of mission

I'll wait till there is a summary of the bill till I attack it or praise it. That being said, this was supposed to be the stronger of the two bills due to the issues in the Senate.

[ProSense]

4. "I'll wait till there is a summary " It's not that hard to read, big type, wide margins, but here's

a start: this and this came directly from the bill.

[AllentownJake]

6. Can you give me a link to something you didn't post onto DU

No offense but you have an agenda.

[ProSense]

7. "No offense but you have an agenda." Did you miss the link to the actually bill?

I actually can't force you to go to the link or even read the bill.

[AllentownJake]

8. You linked to something you posted on DU

without an external link highlighting what you want people to read.

[Clio the Leo]

10. Now Jake.......

.... we ALL have an agenda here ...... dont WE. ;)

[AllentownJake]

11. I know, I know

I'm one of the doom and gloomer economy people, but I wouldn't begrudge people if they wanted to read something for themselves.

[Clio the Leo]

12. lol, but then you had that come to Jesus moment a while back...

.... which I thought was cute. (it was!)

I told ProSense she was one of my favorite reports and it's true. She ROUNDS everything up for me. Nice and tidy. And it's more than likely gonna be something I like to read so that's good.

I'm glad she's on our side .... she's got the talent that comes in handy around election time. After 2012, maybe we can have her made the czar of something, maybe Ambassador to Disneyland something cool like that. ;)

[Cha]

22. +1

And thanks for rounding that up about Pro Sense's contribution to DU, Clio~

I say make her DU's Ambassador to the White House:patriot:

[Clio the Leo]

23. lol, but Ambassadors are FROM the White House......

.... to somewhere else.

Disney was the best place I could think of.

*I* want to be amabassador to Target, so she cant have that spot. :)

[Cha]

24. Right..DU can't have Ambassadors..So the

White House could appoint her Ambassador to DU:patriot::)

[Clio the Leo]

27. Oh THAT would be MEAN!!! lol

Make her put up with all of US?

[Cha]

29. lollol..

Sometimes ya just need tough diplomacy}(

[vaberella]

15. Is this one okay?! Prosense didn't even post there if it makes you feel better.

Allthough I think Prosense posts very good articles with well sourced info...unlike some on this board. Under this plan I would be able to join the PO and have it by Jan 1, 2010.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8721996

[AllentownJake]

16. I don't see mandates

in the table of contents so as long as that stays out of the bill, I'll be complacent.

[FrenchieCat]

13. Is there something wrong with ProSense well sourced threads????

I find them a refreshing contrast to the unnamed source garbage and the opining of the "it ain't never gonna be good enough and that will prove me right, so there!" threads that I have to wade through whenever I come to DU.

Whenever folks have invested months and emotions attempting to sell this President as a reincarnation of Bush or something therecloseto, they have to hang on to their criticism, or else they will look like big mouth fools who didn't know shit......so they will continue to post, and so I'm very glad that Prosense does too!

[AllentownJake]

14. ProSenses Sources

like all of our sources need to be checked sometimes. Sometimes ProSenses links have nothing to do with the OP she's linking to respond to.

I was simply asking for a summary of a bill before I made a final judgement. ProSense linked to a page and a paragraph of a 1900 page bill.

[FrenchieCat]

17. Perhaps Google is your friend.....

Just like Pres Obama, prosense is here to help, but can't do all that you want all on her own.
Hell, she probably shouldn't have to.

[AllentownJake]

18. I read things and I make up my own mind

ProSense highlights what she thinks people will like. I look at everything with a critical eye. I was an auditor before getting laid off.

[FrenchieCat]

20. Prosense reads things and makes up her own mind......

ProSense hightlights what she wants to highlight.

"Critical" eye is a relative term.

I've dealt with auditors. Most are anal.
They either want all of the work done for them,
or they get stuck on one little thing,
after "sampling" and won't let go.

I know, I'm an Accountant.

[AllentownJake]

21. I'm actually a pretty big picture type of guy

My work was more focused on internal control structures and fraud prevention.

[FrenchieCat]

33. Control structures and Fraud prevention is looking at all of the little aspects,

with the goal of making them "bullet" proof, i.e., as close to perfection as possible.

You political postings do seem to support an auditor's profile.

[AllentownJake]

36. Yes I'm pretty pissed off

about the biggest fraud in the history of the world being papered over.

One thing about people who committ fraud, they don't stop till they are forcefully stopped.

[Nikki Stone1]

38. I thought you were the wife of a minister in Oakland and an activist

.

[FrenchieCat]

61. Being a Wife is a job that replaces one's actual profession?

Wow! I guess I'm more modern than that....cause I'm a lot of things, not just two. :rofl:

[ProSense]

25. When one starts to whine obsessively over links to legitimate sources, that's a sign

that the person is prepared to ignore the facts.

You:

I was simply asking for a summary of a bill before I made a final judgement. ProSense linked to a page and a paragraph of a 1900 page bill.

And you still haven't explained what you object to on that page.

[AllentownJake]

26. LOL

You are attacking me because I would like to know what is in the full bill not just one page you linked to.

You are probably the silliest poster on DU.

[ProSense]

28. Attacking you? You're busy having a discussion about me instead of reading up on the bill and

responding intelligently.

[AllentownJake]

30. I stand by everything I said about you

You post portions of articles that fit your world view and you highlight things you think will sell others on that world veiw.

If you think that was a negative comment, I don't know what to tell you.

[ProSense]

31. And my point still stands. n/t

[AllentownJake]

32. I'm watching the World Series

Bugger off for the night.

[ProSense]

34. "Bugger off for the night." Don't let me get under your skin. n/t

[AllentownJake]

35. Trust me I'm more worried about a 1-1 game

against the hated Yankees than I am your nonsense tonight.

[Nikki Stone1]

40. Yankees just scored dude

:(

[AllentownJake]

45. I figure they will take 1 game at home

Still two more innings.

[Nikki Stone1]

52. Let me know when Philly catches up.

:)

Oh, and how do you like ProNonSense?

[brentspeak]

46. "Mission", as in "bonus"

DLC, Wellpoint, one of those things.

[jenmito]

2. K&R. Thanks for putting all the info. out there about those who support the House bill. n/t

[Posteritatis]

3. Iron pyrite standard, maybe, but it's at least something. (nt)

[ampad]

5. Thanks Pro (nt)

[Peacetrain]

9. Thank you for the info.. K&R

[jonnyblitz]

19. "family's usa", what a wingnutty name for a group. I have been

conditioned to think "right wingers" whenever i saw the word "family" in an organization's formal name(focus on the family, family research council, etc). But i digress, I doubt any wingnut group would ever endorse anything coming from Obama's admin. so who in fuck is this group? time to google.....

[Egnever]

42. I had the exact same reaction.

They look pretty good to me though after looking at their page.

http://www.familiesusa.org/about/

Families USA is a national nonprofit, non-partisan organization dedicated to the achievement of high-quality, affordable health care for all Americans. Working at the national, state, and community levels, we have earned a national reputation as an effective voice for health care consumers for 25 years. We:

•Manage a grassroots advocates' network of organizations and individuals working for the consumer perspective in national and state health policy debates. Membership in the Health Action Network is free. Click here to subscribe to our Health Action Network. The network distributes timely information and mobilizes people for action when appropriate.
•Act as a watchdog over government actions affecting health care, alerting consumers to changes and helping them have a say in the development of policy.
•Produce highly respected health policy reports describing the problems facing health care consumers and outlining steps to solve them. (See our Publications List).
•Conduct public information campaigns about the concerns of health care consumers using sophisticated media techniques that reach many millions of Americans through television, radio, newspaper, and other print outlets.
•Serve as a consumer clearinghouse for information about the health care system. Subscribe to our Health Action Network and get timely information about health policy issues via e-mail.
•Work in concert with a wide range of organizations—from business to consumer to health provider organizations—toward the achievement of health care that is high-quality and affordable for all Americans.
•Provide training and technical assistance to, and work collaboratively with, state and community-based organizations as they address critical health care problems in their communities and state capitals

[hileeopnyn8d]

53. I had the same

reaction.

I find it sad that we're conditioned to associate the word "family" with right wingers.

[Nikki Stone1]

37. Ah, Pro Sense: quoting a lobbying group like it was fact. Misrepresenting is your game

Let's look at your links where you claimed Obama wasn't going to have mandates:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4155096
Obama on single payer health care counters Hillary's attempt to distort


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5440722
The Risks and Benefits of Individual Health Insurance Mandates

[ProSense]

43. The affection for my screen name by some is bordering on bizarre. Still,

enjoy these lobbying groups here and here More facts.

Not sure what your links were aiming to prove because mandates don't lower cost. The risks and benefits are alleviated with adequate subsidies and lower costs.

After providing your own links, I take it you will not be complaining about links in your response.

[Nikki Stone1]

47. How about ProNonSense? :)

And how about reading your own links and admitting your own lies?

[ProSense]

48. And there goes feigned maturity out the window.

:rofl:

And if you care to read the response, you'd recognize that I did read the links (no afraid of them) and responded.

[Nikki Stone1]

50. You're really desperate, aren't you.

:D

I always like having the nasty ones on the ropes. :)

[ProSense]

55. Desperate? What am I supposed to be "on the ropes" about? n/t

[Nikki Stone1]

56. Let's just say I am enjoying this immensely.

:evilgrin:

[OhioBlue]

60. really???

calling names - childish revision of a name to try and tease someone? I do remember that tactic being employed a lot on the playground in grade school..

[Nikki Stone1]

39. For people who want the REAL truth, watch Dennis Kucinich tonight on Countdown

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/ns/msnbc_tv-countdown_with_keith_olbermann#33542798

Dennis makes it very clear that this "public option" is very, very weak.

[ShortnFiery]

41. +1

Can we say our "illustrious" representatives are playing a role within a larger play?

All the decisions have been made by our corporate masters weeks, if not months ago.

What we see now is merely the manufacturing of consensus. :(

[Egnever]

44. Of course it is

But it will be a sea change for health care just the same.

[ProSense]

49. What the hell was that?

:rofl:

And Howard Dean rebuts him: This is real reform.

[Nikki Stone1]

54. Oh, the feigned outrage

:D

Rope-a-dope.

[dflprincess]

59. At the least real reform would have included allowing states to pursue their

own single payer plans. That has been stripped from the bill. Apparently the don't want to risk that the insurance companies will lose all those subscribers in states that might decide to opt out of the same corrupt system we have now.

[Cha]

58. I trust Howard Dean more than

I trust Dennis Kucinich.

And, Dean just made it clear that this is "Real Reform" and he's "Very Pleased" with this "Good Start".

[firedupdem]

51. Rec'd...thanks for the info. n/t

[MadHound]

57. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!

I mean really now, thanks for the humor break.

Oh, wait, you're not trying to be humorous, you're serious, you believe in this shit.

How sad. Please, rejoin the rest of us in reality.