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ej510 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 10:28 AM
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Dylan Ratigan has been saying what 99.9% of duers have been
saying from the beginning, and that is Obama needs to can Timothy Geithner yesterday. He never should've been hired.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 10:42 AM
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1. It's getting embarrassing about the Goldman Sachs connection as more and more
is being written about Goldman Sachs.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 10:43 AM
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2. When is the right time to get rid of him?
I know many would say know but politically when does Obama can him? I doubt he lasts beyond 2010.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 11:11 AM
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4. Correct
Edited on Mon Nov-02-09 11:12 AM by AllentownJake
Firing Geithner would make a single that the policies are not working which will raise doubts.

I have doubts about administration economic policies but the surest way to ensure their failure is to fire members of the economic team.

Geithner can't be fired till after the mid-terms and if he is fired than we are in serious trouble.
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ej510 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 11:14 AM
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5. Then make him ask for tough regulation.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 11:16 AM
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6. Not going to happen
We are stuck with the half Hoover, 25% FDR, 25% Bill Clinton policies.
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ej510 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 11:18 AM
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7. I know, it makes me think Obama is a corporate democrat.
Edited on Mon Nov-02-09 12:15 PM by ej510
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 11:20 AM
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8. His political funeral
I have no where to go but up from where I'm sitting.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 04:33 PM
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15. That's up to the President
Geithner and the Treasury Department can advise the President on what sort of regulation he should push for. But once the President makes his decision Geithner and Treasury are expected to go out and sell it to Congress. If they are not doing that then it was a White House decision.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 06:19 PM
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20. I agree. After the midterms. We will hold our noses until then.
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ej510 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 10:50 AM
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3. Timothy Geithner wants to keep deregulation alive.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 11:40 AM
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9. Since Wall Street runs the country, Remove Geitner and Replace
him with another from Goldman Sachs.
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ej510 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 12:16 PM
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10. He could replace him with Paul Volcker.
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 12:30 PM
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11. Cenk: "Obama is more likely to do nothing if it hurts corporations."
It is very, very unlikely he will fire Geitner. Vokner (sp?) will never be hired in any form by the adminstration because his ideas, although would save america, would hurt corporations bottom line in the short term.
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ej510 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 12:32 PM
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12. Quantass, you are correct.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 04:04 PM
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13. Little to nothing for it right now, though I have to agree
After the midterm maybe he can do something with Geithner and hopefully Gates too. I can understand why he picked him but he has been given far to free a hand. The thing was to use him to placate the robberbarons while using him as a baseball bat on them, which hasn't happened at all.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 04:30 PM
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14. Here's Dylan's rationale for anyone who missed it:
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:20 PM
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24. thanks for the link!

it's an excellent read! i'm starting to really dig Dylan!
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 04:36 PM
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16. James Galbraith & Bill Moyers agrees.
excerpts from Bill Moyers' interview last Friday:


JAMES GALBRAITH: "We have a stimulus package, which is helping now, but it will be over with at the end of next year. Will there be a basis for another strong, privately financed expansion at that point? I don't see the evidence for that now. And that seems to me to be something we should be worrying about."

<snip>

JAMES GALBRAITH: "The overwhelming emphasis, in the administration's program, I think, has been to return things to a condition of normalcy, to use a 1920s word, that prevailed five and ten years ago. That is to say, we're back to a world in which Wall Street and the major banks are leading, and setting the path--

BILL MOYERS: To restore what was.

JAMES GALBRAITH: To restore what was--

BILL MOYERS: Instead of reform what is."

<snip>


JAMES GALBRAITH: Sure. The Federal Reserve, in particular, knew that the dam was cracking. Alan Greenspan, I think, almost surely knew this, and chose to wait until it had washed away.

BILL MOYERS: Why?

JAMES GALBRAITH: They let all of this run, because they were getting a superficially stronger economy out of it. The ownership society, all that was a scam, basically, designed to lure people who could never afford these mortgages into accepting them. And yes, I think they, any rational person, certainly people in the industry, knew that this was not going to last. There was a little industry code, I've learned, IBGYBG. "I'll be gone. You'll be gone."


<snip>

BILL MOYERS: Timothy Geithner wants to provide a super-regulator to keep those big five firms in line. Will that work?

JAMES GALBRAITH: No, it will not work. The super-regulator will not be able to control those institutions. And probably will make all of the mistakes that the, if it's the Federal Reserve, that the Federal Reserve made in the run-up to the last crisis.

<snip>


JAMES GALBRAITH: I think what you have to do is to aim to reduce the market power of these enormous, strategically, systemically dangerous institutions. And the way to do that is by re-imposing some internal barriers, the Glass-Steagall separation of commercial and investment banking. And by resolving, auditing and resolving the institutions that are really close to failure. Those institutions, if they're taken out of the picture, that would permit smaller banks who did not get caught up in this dreadful business, to grow into their market roles. And you would have a more competitive and healthier financial system, as a result.

BILL MOYERS: But as you speak, Congress is watering down the legislation proposed to regulate the ratings agencies that were such a part of the problem.

<snip>

JAMES GALBRAITH: If I had one thing I could add to the health care debate, I would lower the age of eligibility of Medicare, say, to 55.

And the reason for that is that it would help workers who are only hanging onto their jobs because they don't want to lose their medical benefits, to move out of the labor force. And there are a fair number of those, and it's a fairly heavy burden on the business sector. So what you want to do, you want to create jobs.

<snip>

much more:

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/10302009/transcript1.html


I would applaud a complete overhaul of the current "Economic Team".
These same people helped cause the catastrophe.
There is a large pool of people who predicted our current economic mess.
Obama should FIRE the people who got it wrong, and hire the people who got it right.
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ej510 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 05:29 PM
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17. Those who do not learn from the past repeat the same mistakes.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 05:33 PM
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18. Those who make a fortune doing something...
...Keep Doing It !

The "Centrist Democrats" (including the Obama Administration) may be corrupt, but they aren't stupid.
As long as money keeps coming out, they'll keep turning the crank.
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ej510 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 05:35 PM
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19. True.
Robbing America in plain view.
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 06:42 PM
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21. K&R
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 06:55 PM
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22. do DUers not get it?
Geithner is doing EXACTLY what Obama wants him to do
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ej510 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 07:23 PM
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23. Not the ones who want to see as the supreme being.
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