Big Ed:The Dem's are going to get there ASS handed to them tomorrow election day

[bigdarryl]

in all three races NJ, VA. NY because they are afraid of leading. WOW!!!!!

[NRaleighLiberal]

1. I've heard it is more nuanced - Deeds is just not that effective.

Corzine has scandal issues. We all know about what a mess the NY race is.

So the pundits and MSM are going to read lots more into this than is appropriate - we don't need Big Ed to join the chorus!

[bigdarryl]

2. No Corzine has a property tax problem people are paying like 18,000 a year

in taxes to live in a home.He's scandal free as far as I know

[ProSense]

12. This problem was building long before Corzine took office. Also,

Christie is one of the most corrupt and immoral asshole anywhere in politics. I wouldn't be surprised if most Repubs don't vote for him.

[Cassandra]

32. When Whitman lowered income taxes in NJ...

only the terminally stupid couldn't see that local taxes, especially property taxes, would rise.

[karynnj]

44. Where are they paying $18,000 a year? Only in very rich enclaves

Property taxes are high, but I know they aren't that high. The statewide average is about $7,000. Now it is true that Millburn (think Short Hills) is about $18,000 as are other extremely wealthy areas. The fact is this is a high cost state and the biggest expenditure paid by property taxes is salaries of teachers, firemen, and police. It is true that NJ teachers get more than teachers in say MO or ID, but if you look at the ratio to the cost of a home, teachers are better off financially in the other states.

[rockymountaindem]

3. Yeah, people are blowing this out of proportion

You might think that it's just anti-incumbent sentiment, but no. It's gotta be because people are having an anti-Obama backlash! That's gotta be it! Because in a place like New Jersey, where Obama's support is really high, then obviously if a scandal-ridden governor can't win reelection it's all Obama's fault.

[emulatorloo]

5. LOL - excellent way to put it. n/t

[Cant trust em]

6. Somehow it always comes back to Obama

Not like the candidates themselves have problems, but it must be a larger issue.

[Tippy]

22. "The larger issue" I find is the media and places like DU

Instant gratifican...a lot of people who follow politics know Our President has accomplished a lot..but those who want everything NOW talk of his failures..These perceived failures are not his doing...but even the war and the economy have been moved to It's Obamas fault" by the media, Rabid Republicans and even some who post on here...The party of NO...the Teabaggers etc.etc. are behind it and we allow it to happen. Everyone needs to ask themselves a question. Are we better off today than we were under Bush? I know my family is...it could be better but it won't continue if we throw the baby out with the bath water That... I know for certain.

[ProSense]

7. Reminds me of when Kean was going to beat Menendez and

McCain was going to win Pennsylvania. No one knows what the hell is going to happen in NJ.

[burning rain]

42. Admittedly....

Republican gubernatorial candidates don't have nearly as steep an upward climb in Jersey, as do GOP Senate candidates there, or Republican presidential candidates in Pennsylvania (or NJ, for that matter). Last time a Republican won a New Jersey Senate race was Clifford Case in 1972, and the GOP hasn't carried Pennsylvania or Jersey in a presidential election since 1988. McCain never had a prayer in Pennsylvania. Rendell and some other Democrats may have shit their pants and thought the state might be competitive due to anti-black animus, but while Pennsylvania isn't super-progressive on race, it isn't Alabama either between Philly and Pittsburgh, despite James Carville's dictum. Pennsylvania has a strong class consciousness and there was no way McCain's sunbelt anti-union, doctrinaire free trade position was going to play here. I still have a suspicion Rendell, a clever guy, was keen to send McCain chasing down a rabbit hole when he needed to be spending more time and money in states like Ohio and Florida and not blowing it for naught in a no-win state like Pennsylvania.

[Hamlette]

8. I just don't get "Big Ed" or anyone who listens to him. He not an effective communicator

and usually misses the real/legitimate/spot on point in order to score some uber partisan BS points.

When I think of the mirror image of the right wing partisan BS, Eddy is the one I think of. (I wouldn't mind the partisanship if he didn't make with the stupid. Keith is super partisan and sometimes nails the real issue. Same with Rachel although she gets it right more often.)

[Beetwasher]

11. Corzine Is Not Scandal Ridden

Just FYI. But his problems certainly have nothing to do w/ an "Obama backlash". It's just the anti-incumbency effect because of the shitty economy and high property taxes.

Corzine is pretty scandal free actually.

[rocktivity]

16. DING DING DING! Rockymountaindem, you're our grand prize winner!

...obviously if a scandal-ridden governor can't win reelection it's all Obama's fault.

Especially if the scandal-ridden governor's opponent is even MORE scandal-ridden. Corzine will pull it out--next to Christie, most Jerseyites will see him as the lesser of two evils.


rocktivity

[emulatorloo]

4. I agree -- punditry will read way more into this than is appropriate. And no matter what happens

the Republicans will declare "victory," they always do.

The last polling I saw, most people just do not have any confidence that Republicans will make the right decisions for the country.

[leveymg]

35. I live at ground zero for the VA race - northern VA. Dem turnout will be a fraction of what it was

in '08 because the party base is so discouraged by what's happened in DC this year. The real reason isn't Craig Deeds (even though he's a weak candidate), it's Harry Reid, Max Baucus, and much of the Senate and House leadership. The Blue Dogs are on there way to becoming the rulers of a minority party, again.

[onenote]

40. well, in my NoVA neighborhood, the same folks who had obama signs have Deeds signs

but there are more homes with McDonnell signs than had mccain signs. No doubt indpendents are not turning out for Deeds the way they did for Obama and Kaine, but the Democrats in my neighborhood are still supportive.

A point in fact: in the past several elections, house party fundraisers have been organized in my neighborhood for Warner, Kaine, Gerry Connally and each of those candidates has shown up -- in Connolly's case, Pelosi was there. I don't know why no such event was held for Deeds this time, but I know the people that put on and attended those past fundraisers were interested in doing another one. Why Deeds wasn't available I can't tell you.

[leveymg]

41. You must be kidding - the same # of Deeds signs as Obama? Where do you live, Charlottsville?

I can tell you why nobody turned out to fete Craig - every activist in VA-8 (and I also know VA-11 VERY well) is burned out and bummed out by what's NOT happened since 01-20-09. We got low-balled, or was it baited-and-switched? . . . we're dealing with a Gov't by used car dealers.

[onenote]

49. if by "activist" you mean Democratic party activists -- they're the ones who have signs

in my NoVa neighborhood. I distributed signs last year for the general election and again this year and the difference is that folks who I never saw at a party-related meeting or a rally wanted signs last year. But what I consider activists -- the folks who actively go out and host fundraisers and attend planning meetings and who did so when being a Democrat in Virginia was a lonely thing to be...they still have signs and are still planning to vote and are still urging others to do so.

[Mike Daniels]

59. Nothing to do with "leading" in the Virginia race

Deeds ran a horrible campaign that spent way too much time on a 20 year old thesis while McDonnell talked about the issues that people wanted to hear discussed.

Frankly, when people are having economic stress they really don't care about who stands where on the social issues. Wasn't that pretty much the whole basis behind "It's the economy, stupid" during Clinton v. Bush?

[countingbluecars]

9. The republicans are motivated

to vote because they lost the presidency. Many democrats are content with Obama and not especially motivated to get out and vote.

[wroberts189]

15. I never miss a vote to vote against the pubs.

I enjoy it.


But you may be right.

[countingbluecars]

19. Same here.

I look forward to it! In my area of Virginia the Democrats are having trouble finding people to work the polls handing out sample ballots. The interest just doesn't seem to be there for this election.

[joeycola]

30. sad to hear of this.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

10. I know Ed's cheering for that scenario.

Either that or he's lowering expectations so that when we win 2 of 3 - a very realistic scenario - he'll come back and tout strength.

[Dawgs]

17. Ed's not that smart.

I wish he was, but he's not.

[Dr Robert]

57. seconded

[Pirate Smile]

13. Well, now I know not to bother watching his show tonight.

[SoFlaJet]

53. I've had to stop watching

he's like a crazy man looking into the camera turning his head this way and that and making these nutty eyes...and then there's his rants, the guy apparently doesn't know that the final bill on HCR will be molded in conference. I kind of wish MSNBC would give his time slot to Lawrence O'Donnell.

[Bitwit1234]

14. So does that mean the democrats

in congress should be scared and hunker down in their offices and cave to republicans. Who in their wildest dreams did not know that NY would still be republican after the election.

And with the candidate the democrats picked in Virginia what did they expect. Now New Jersey is different. Christie, well since he has the mob behind him it is hard to tell if he will win or not.

Virginia is a republican state it has been since the 50's and 60's. The elect a democrat every once in a while. If the Dems had a strong candidate they might of won this election. Farwell before he passed away has a strangle hold on most of Virginia except the part around DC. And that's the way it will be til the good old boys in that area fade away. We might as well get used to it.

So when people say the democrats are getting beat tomorrow, just look at the race. Now if they had lost a blue state that would be different but when you are in a red state as red as it can be you hope for the best but expect the worst.

[zulchzulu]

18. It's good to see Big Ed reads the RNC talking points fax

What a fuckshit.

The NJ race has Democrat Jon Corzine running against Republican Chris Christie and Independent Chris Daggett. Polls show Corzine and Christie in a dead heat.

The Virginia race has a less than decent Democrat Creigh Deeds running against a Republican Robert McDonnell who is acting like a moderate Democrat.

The big race in the 23rd Congressional District in upstate New York has had a Republican in there since 1993. The race is very close with Democrat Bill Owens running against Teabagger Conservative Doug Hoffman and Republican Dede Scozzafava having had dropped out.

Democrats "getting their ass kicked" and by proxy a vote against Obama? Bull. Shit.

[T Wolf]

20. The Democratic "brand" has suffered because the WH and Congress have gone out of their way

to placate the GOP. By watering down their efforts and trying to be oh-so-clever with their bipartisan sell-out, they have muddied the waters and taken the heart out of what should be their strongest supporters. A 2,000 page health insurance mandate bill instead of simple and effective universal-healthcare bill, an escalation in the wars against the Middle East instead of an immediate cease-fire and withdrawal, etc., etc., etc.

They have shot themselves in the foot and deserve to lose.

Will they learn? Yeah, right...

[Tippy]

24. IF they lose then WE lose....to me that is unacceptable...

WE need to hound the hell out of Congress until they DO listen....

[T Wolf]

29. We, the people, lose no matter which politicians win. You actually believe that those in power

listen to us? Evidence would say that is not true.

[countingbluecars]

25. I disagree.

The strongest Democratic supporters will get out and vote for the Democratic candidates. They know what is at stake.

[Tippy]

26. I agree.....The real Dems... will go to the polls

11 months does not equal 8 years......

[T Wolf]

28. I've heard the "what's at stake" crap for many elections now. The same shit is ALWAYS at stake but

we allow ourselves to be suckered in with the promise of change.

That change never follows, just more appeals for votes and dollars.

The ONLY way the pols will learn is to actually lose their seat of comfort and power.

And I am not convinced that they would wise up even then. Hasn't the party moved reich-ward in response to every electoral stimulus, whether it is a loss (we must capture those undecideds) or a victory (now that we won, let's bring everyone into our tent)?

The most stubborn and brain-dead Democratic supporters will get out and vote for the same cretins who are currently fucking things up almost as badly as the pukes did.

[jonnyblitz]

34. there can't be too much "at stake" if all they do is continue where

the republicans left off without skipping a beat.

[countingbluecars]

37. Utter BS

In Virginia, the republican candidate is a right wing fanatic in moderate clothing. Even the most conservative Democrat is the better choice. I am neither stubborn nor brain dead-just smart enough to know what is really at stake.

[jonnyblitz]

33. I agree. nt

[mgcgulfcoast]

21. does he have any facts to back this up?

i remain optimistic except in virginia. that seems a lost cause.

[zulchzulu]

27. He's talking out of his ass

As I wrote:

The NJ race has Democrat Jon Corzine running against Republican Chris Christie and Independent Chris Daggett. Polls show Corzine and Christie in a dead heat.

The Virginia race has a less than decent Democrat Creigh Deeds running against a Republican Robert McDonnell who is acting like a moderate Democrat.

The big race in the 23rd Congressional District in upstate New York has had a Republican in there since 1993. The race is very close with Democrat Bill Owens running against Teabagger Conservative Doug Hoffman and Republican Dede Scozzafava having had dropped out.

Yeah, Virginia is lost, but the Republican is hardly running as a hard anti-Obama stooge... and Deeds is a shitty candidate. But the other races will be close... hardly "getting their ass kicked" because Democrats can't lead... that's the SAME SHIT KARL ROVE IS YAPPING OUT OF HIS CAKEHOLE.

[mgcgulfcoast]

31. i agree with you

ED is looking like a jackass here.

[donheld]

50. +1

sadly he's behaving like Rush

[Mike Daniels]

61. McDonnell was one of the few Republicans to congratulate Obama for winning the Peace Prize

He's also avoided pushing the social issues that most Republicans would focus on in an election and he focused more on economic issues.

McDonnell didn't campaign on his social views but on the flip I don't think anyone is confused re: where he stands on them and they still opted to vote for him because they felt he offered a better option for the economic end of things.

[polmaven]

23. Pssst...sorry - spelling police here....

Dems are going to get theIr ass handed to them.....

I know, I know...I could not win a spelling bee, but this is fairly basic....There, their, and they're.

[SoFlaJet]

54. I've been seeing a LOT of this on all the boards polmaven

and it drives me crazy everytime.

[polmaven]

56. I know what you mean....

Do they not TEACH spelling and proper word usage in schools anymore?

[Arkana]

36. Thanks, Ed.

You're such an "up" guy. Really.

[onenote]

38. let's see: a dem may lose in a district that hasn't elected a Dem in nine straight elections

and the Democrats may lose the governorship of Virginia to a repub that was elected to statewide office four years ago, defeating the very Democrat against he is now running (in a state that only recently has started to turn more blue and that still has a solid repub majority in the house of delegates and has a repub lieutenant governor as well).

and an unpopular one-term governor may lose election in a three way race in which the repub candidate will not get 50 percent of the vote but may win because an moderate repub, running as an independent, who has gotten some timely newspaper endorsements and has the reputation of being a pro-environment guy, may siphon off 10-15 percent of the vote.


That's some ass kicking all right.

[depakid]

39. If you don't lose your majority- you lose your majority

[coconut22]

43. The repubs are in full force all over the telev...

today,cspan,msnbc trying to bring out the racists and teabaggers,. Haley Barbout even brought his fat ass out of the closet..

[Jennicut]

45. Yeah, 3 races, one of which is in a CONSERVATIVE district means something huge.

Sure, wake me up when Ed starts talking about how NY 23 means the Rethugs are marginalizing themselves and are building a teepee for their small tent politics. I like Ed but he needs to stop trying to get ratings. Also, NJ is statistically tied. We will lose VA but Deeds is a conservadem who has tried to distance himself for Obama. Yeah, he really took a real good strategy there. Yeah, the Dems have not led and Deeds...is running away from them! It seems to me that he would have been better off tying himself to the Dems. Corzine is closely aligned with Obama and is in a tie.

[AlinPA]

47. He is wrong to look at NY 23 as a "Democratic loss" when the real issue/story there is

the GOP teabagger takeover of a candidacy which republicans never had any doubt about.

[Thrill]

46. Ed Schultz talks out of his ass most of the time

I like the guy. But he overreacts way to much.

[ncteechur]

48. A Dem will win in CA, NY 23 was already republican, and Deeds sucks. NJ is a toss-up

[eridani]

51. I think he's underestimating the effect of general Repuke assholism n/t

[Ghost of Tom Joad]

52. It's the end of the world as we know it

as these three races go so goes the nation. What a crock, the media has nothing else to do, there are no wars, we all have universal health care, peace and harmony are breaking out all over so these races must be important. Obama is now a lame duck, no democrat will ever win another race again, the republicans have all the answers.

[Ganja Ninja]

55. Yup they're too afraid to be liberal.

That's what people here have to understand. Being critical of Obama and the Dem's is a good thing. They keep trying to win over people that will never have anything to do with them. That's why we have to stay on their case. We have to make them more afraid of us then they are afraid of the right. So cut loose, let them have it when ever the mood strikes you. It's a healthy thing.

[Dr Robert]

58. buffoonery is still alive and well, I see.

[WI_DEM]

60. Big Ed is probably correct, I made this prediction last week that I thought that we would lose all

three.