For those disappointed in Obama what it is he could do now that would make you happy?

[jezebel]

Maybe it's the elections today and the crappy commentary on TV about it, maybe it's the glut of articles (Maher's and Huffington's today) maybe it's the year anniversary but it seems there is this general discontent seeming to set in with many people on here with Obama.
I guess I'm a Pollyana and I'm still believing things important to me (healthcare reform, Guat.closing, etc) are still coming. Are they coming fast enough to thrill me? No, but truly I blame Congress for this Health care fiasco they are currently engaged in.

What is it Obama could do today, not at the mercy of Congress that would restore your faith in him?
What is it he hasn't done fast enough?

I'm not being judgemental, I am trying to understand the expectations versus reality and the disappointment that I am seeing.

[OKNancy]

1. I'm a realist, so I'm not angry with Obama

or even disappointed. I knew what he was when I voted for him. However, if I could ask for one thing....
STOP the BIPARTISAN BULLSHIT! Why should Dems be the ones who are bipartisan? The Repubs never are.
I want Obama to play hardass.

[jezebel]

23. I guess I agree with you there. He has reached his hand out so much and the Rep. just bite it. But

Politically it is part of Obama's magic that he is seen as bi-partisan and trying to reach out to the other side. While it would make us the hardcore left happy if he said fuck you to the Reps I think there is still a portion of the middle that wants him to play nice and try and reach out.

[RepublicanElephant]

43. unfortunately, the wishy-washy, middle-of-the-road coin-toss-in-the-voting-booth soccer-mom types...

...still seem to decide elections.

[tblue]

50. Yeah. But do they walk precincts and phone bank and GOTV?

[stevenleser]

100. There is a list of the anti-Obama left complaints at this site

http://www.ithoughtobamawouldgetmelaid.com/

[mkultra]

60. i think the bipartisanship is just an appetizer

i would be surprised if any president came out of the shoot acting like an asshole to the other side.

[truedelphi]

64. There is no Democratic "Bipatisianship." All of that is

Code word for "We serve our Masters by pretending to appease the other side's base."

If a wide receiver had the ball at his team's three yard line, then stopped and asked the other team where he should go and what he should do, we would all see that action for what it is - the game is being bought and paid for, so that the Big Bosses can cash in their winning chips.

This has not been any different.

There is one party the money party, and although it is more pleasant to have the kinder gentler face of Corporatism in office, it is still a form of oligarchy.

[Skittles]

114. hey, it's OKNancy!

how you doing? :hi:

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[jgraz]

7. You've already been called on your homophobic bullshit. Why do you continue this?

[PretzelWarrior]

22. precisely because it's not homophobic and you're overreactive

and I'm making that point.

My wife and I went on a double date recently with her gay classmate and his significant other. One of my childhood friends just came out recently after he had left a repressive religion and come to grips with the facts of who he is. I was one of the few who supported him and had him and his significant other spend time with us when they came to Portland.

So your crap is duly noted.

[FreeState]

"Pink Pony" is homophobic regardless of who your friends are n/t

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[FreeState]

39. So you'v not posted on this site in the last year where that terms been used over and over to refer

to GLBT persons?

[ruggerson]

86. He's the one that first used the phrase

and when called on it, would not apologize but admitted it was homophobic and "inappropriate."

[Prism]

69. Maybe because you've used it before in gay threads

You're just not so subtly dog-whistling (does it count if everyone can hear it?). Your continued existence on DU is a testament to the wide leeway and tolerance given to homophobic scum.

[PretzelWarrior]

73. it was said as a riff on the more generic charge that complainers against Obama

are mad because they didn't get a pony. I don't think there's anything wrong with using that terminology precisely because so many gay people I party with, etc. are so flamboyant and wouldn't take issue with it.

It's just some really humorless bores on this site who are freaking out over a rather innocuous phrase.

[spoony]

77. "I don't think there's anything wrong with using that terminology"

Skinner disagrees (although the same cannot be said about his mods, apparently):

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=5524913#5525309

Q: How will replies of "poutrage" or "you didn't get your pony!" be met by Mods and Admins?

Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Fri Apr-24-09 02:43 PM
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87. I consider those to be personal attacks.
In case there is any confusion, I'll tell the moderators to delete them.



So how about just cutting it out and communicating on a grown up level?

[PretzelWarrior]

80. I had seen his original post but not that comment way down therre

thanks for sharing. But then again, Skinner did seem to think those comments are often invited when Obama is called a "homophobe" here on DU.

[Neecy]

108. flamboyant?

I doubt you have a single gay friend. Seriously.

[vaberella]

93. Wait...why is it homophobic? I've said red, blue, and green pony's...

I'm not being funny but sincerely asking. Would it be homopobhic regardless the color?

[stevenleser]

104. I wouldn't have known either.

Glad I didnt say it.

[ruggerson]

110. Because the poster has used the phrase before in the context of a discussion about gay rights

"Fabulous, pink pony" is meant to mock all gays stereotyping them all as mincing, effeminate queens. Apparently, PretzelWarrior has a very limited (and highly bigoted) view of gay people.

[vaberella]

113. I understand and see your point. Okay, that would make sense.

I thought it was just the use of colour in regards to the pony. Interestingly enough my favorite color is the rainbow----so I was a bit worried that something I would say would be misconstrued. However, what you say makes sense. Thanks.

[stevenleser]

127. Yes, Ruggerson and I echo what Vabarella just said. It looks like PretzelWarrior has been tombstoned

and judging from what you said, it was well deserved.

[jgraz]

28. Wait, you're using the "I have many gay friends" defense?

:rofl:

The worst bigot is the one who doesn't realize he's a bigot.

[TokenQueer]

78. Did you also let them use your bathroom? You are sooooo progressive.

:eyes:

[VMI Dem]

8. WTF?

Wow.

[LeftyMom]

10. I'm still waiting for your fabulous gray tombstone.

:D

[jgraz]

12. +1

That *would* be fabulous.

[jonnyblitz]

20. he's a loyal Obama supporter, he has nothing to worry about. nt

[LeftyMom]

21. The homophobia starts at the top.

And I don't mean on DU.

[PretzelWarrior]

25. so you think Obama is a homophobe because he hasn't repealed DADT?

that's what I mean. You're being vicious and militant on this issue.

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[PretzelWarrior]

36. is he against it? or does he want it to be a state matter?

[spoony]

38. Way to hijack a thread that sought actual dialogue. nt

[PretzelWarrior]

44. yeah. I know. I am bad. it's been awhile since i've hijacked

and I'm starting to feel dirty.

[VMI Dem]

42. States deciding civil rights? Doesn't that ring a bell?

Jesus Christ.

[PretzelWarrior]

46. is marriage a civil right? since it is a religous sacrament?

or is it recognized civil unions you are concerned about with all the rights legally accorded to traditionally married people?

[VMI Dem]

49. Equal protection is.

Or don't you agree?

[PretzelWarrior]

52. of course I agree.

but you didn't answer my question. if you throw out the definitions used and just look at legal consequences. if all privileges assigned to married couples were accorded to gay couples who enter a civil union (contract) and all disadvantages are also accorded (not easy to just leave each other....there would need to be a revokation of contract) then who cares if it's called marriage or not?

Maybe the states could refer to all unions recognized by the state as some other word than marriage. It would still then be up to churches to say yes or no in recognizing marriages according to their definitions.

[VMI Dem]

53. Separate but equal didn't fly in the civil rights movement.

If both schools were identical and quality of education the same, what difference would it make if black kids were segregated from whites?

[PretzelWarrior]

57. what I just described is not "separate but equal"

[VMI Dem]

63. Why not call it what it is today, marriage? Why try to appease bigots?

Why set up a completely new system to encompass those that we see as different?

[PretzelWarrior]

66. okay. don't "get" it. that is fine by me. by determining the GOVERNMENT MUST

call it marriage, you are saying the government must continually operate under a religious framework.

[VMI Dem]

67. If you think marriage is still religious, then you really don't get it.

I got married in a clerks office in Vegas. No god in sight.

Marriage as religion is a cop out and crutch for bigots.

[LeftyMom]

54. Marriage as recognized by the state isn't religious.

[PretzelWarrior]

58. then call it something else at the civil side and have everyone enter into it.

we're talking semantics here.

[LeftyMom]

76. People's civil rights are hardly a matter of semantics.

[PretzelWarrior]

81. some of you are just arguing to argue. for lack of a real enemy here...

you're building up strawmen to make me one.

[LeftyMom]

82. You need a little more polish on that bright, shiny mirror.

You missed a spot.

[Warren Stupidity]

61. Love v Virginia: yes it is. nt.

[TokenQueer]

68. Religiuos sacrament...bwahahahaha!

[VMI Dem]

34. If you think marriage is between a man and woman, you are a homophobe.

No?

[PretzelWarrior]

37. I don't think that way. and I don't think Obama does either.

[VMI Dem]

41. I didn't say you. And he has stated as much.

Is he lying?

[mkultra]

62. i think thats just code language for..

gay people shouldn't marry. Its like taking a positive angle on a negative. Like calling the anti-abortion peeps pro-life.

[Skittles]

115. the answer to that is a big fat fucking YES

[LeftyMom]

35. Oh yeah, I'm the most militant, vicious straight suburban mom around.

I'm totally driving the carpool to the revolution. :raised fist holding organic soy mocha:

[jonnyblitz]

40. oooh, states rights. what a lovely thing for an african american

to champion! :puke:

[LeftyMom]

51. And god help you if you point out the implications of using that excuse.

I swear, some of these people's mentality scares me more than that of the freepers. At least those douches, crazy as they are, are consistent in their own way.

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[PretzelWarrior]

59. I've been here since 2003. what it has turned into is ANTI Democrat

any person with their pet issue will brook no dissent.

[TokenQueer]

72. Equality is not a "pet issue."

You are one patronizing little shit, aren't you?

[PretzelWarrior]

74. how about life and death health care? how about life and death war or peace?

yeah. obviously I don't measure every word to see if it will pass the litmus test of the language police who are NOT trying to understand intent but are playing word games to prove I am some kind of hateful homophobic moron.

What I meant was core issue that rises above all else such that even if 90% progress was made on all other issues they would still feel hateful because their core issue was only dealt with partially. Whatever PC term you want to use for that.

[Prism]

75. He's just hitting all the talking points, isn't he?

I feel like I should give a lesson for the anti-gay DUers. Most of them are clever enough to spread these talking points out over several threads during a period of weeks. You don't put them all in one thread. That just makes you obvious. Bigots should be subtle.

Well, maybe not. None of them are ever really banned.

But, in theory, bigots should be subtle. In a fantasy bizarro world where liberals don't tolerate this stuff.

[TokenQueer]

84. It's a greatest hits collection of right-wing talking points.

:banghead:

[QC]

101. The right wing takeover of DU has been a sight to behold, hasn't it? n/t

[TokenQueer]

117. It's shocking.

A HUGE portion of DU these days are straight-up bigots. What. The. Fuck?

[Skittles]

116. that's a known troll

[LeftyMom]

79. Full equality under the law is not a "pet issue"

It's THE issue.

[jgraz]

96. According to PW, it's a Fabulous Pink Pet Issue

:puke:

[LeftyMom]

98. And anybody who cares about it is "militant"

Welcome to the new, improved Democratic Party. :puke:

[QC]

102. And welcome to Democratic (Leadership Council) Underground!

Here, have a beer and a copy of Fred Phelps's Greatest Hits.

[VMI Dem]

106. Baloney.

I've seen many posters that constantly deride Rahm and other supposed DLC'ers express questionable attitudes and make bigoted statements about gays.

[LeftyMom]

109. Oh yes, bigots of all stripes are welcome here now. It's a big tent.

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[QC]

121. Looks like you got your wish!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=126971

[Starry Messenger]

122. Now *that* is fabulous.

:D

[Starry Messenger]

32. WTF x 2

Someone is in love with the sound of his own personality.

[TokenQueer]

70. bigot.

[Bjorn Against]

90. I hope your "gay friends" soon realize that you are no friend to them at all

[ruggerson]

94. Since you are the one who authored this phrase

months ago in a discussion about gay rights, your protestations that it is not homophobic is laughable.

[laconicsax]

3. He could do several things.

He could suspend DADT discharges with the stroke of a pen.
He could use the bully pulpit of his office to push congress to overturn DOMA.
He could reverse certain * era policies having to do with secrecy.
He could push to prosecute war crimes committed by agents of this country.
and more...

[GCP]

15. And just boldly state he'd veto any health reform bill without a GOOD public option

Not this watered down trigger opt-out opt-in shit we're hearing about every day.

No good public option? VETO.

[laconicsax]

18. That's another good one.

[peacebird]

31. Agreed. AND he could push to return the USA to the rule of LAW

which would mean those who ordered torture and rendition would be sent to trial and hopefully to jail.

[jezebel]

47. I can't argue with any of that. I think that some of that is politically toxic, but I want him to

have the courage to do those things anyway. I guess I'm still believing he will do them. Maybe not fast enough but I think he'll get it done.

[laconicsax]

107. Frankly, I don't care if something is politically toxic.

Political toxicity is just a fancy excuse for cowardice.

I sincerely hope that Obama decides that some things are more important than playing politics.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

4. "Not at the mercy of Congress..." involves assumptions.

The helpless Obama tied down by Lilliputian congress-creatures is obviously not what Obama was running as. He was running as someone who would lead and accomplish.

Maybe that was an impossible promise, but it's a stretch to say people are wrong to be disappointed that Obama is not able to get Congress to pass good bills for him to sign.

Convincing/persuading/leading congress has always been one of the top 2 or 3 things one needs in a President.

[tblue]

45. Yeah. We have to stop seeing Obama as a victim. He's NOT a victim!

He's effing President!

I didn't think "executive experience," as the Palin people claimed she had, mattered. But it does help if you don't think of yourself as either 1) a Senator, who is on-par with 99 peers or 2) a community organizer, who gets people to speak up for themselves. That's his work experience. But that's not his job anymore!

[Enrique]

5. push hard for EFCA

a robust EFCA, with card check. We need strong unions, more unions, to get the economy back in balance.

[jgraz]

97. Hell, push hard for *something*

[Clio the Leo]

6. There's not general discontent....

..... today the MSM is just enabling the whining minority. ;)

[Cronus Protagonist]

9. He could end corporate personhood and end all financial contributions from companies

I believe he could do each with a stroke of a pen.

[mkultra]

65. well, no, that requires legislation, but it woudl be good

the constitution doesn't protect companies.

[depakid]

11. Inform the "Justice" Department that it needs to hold individuals and corporations accountable

for violations of federal law over the past 8 years... those which they haven't let off through statutes of limitations that is.

The way it stands is a disgrace- and will only embolden the whole lot of them next go around.

[LeftyMom]

13. He could stop making Bill Clinton look like FDR.

[Armstead]

87. LOL...Depressing but funny....And true

[truedelphi]

14. Oust every single appointment he's made relating to the Federal Reserve, the Treasury

All his economic advisers, especially Larry Summers. Geithner has already told boldfaced lies to Congress, and that is an impeachable offense, so he should have lost his post by now.

And although he can keep Rahm's number, he should have someone who pays attention to We The People, and not the consultants for the health insurers as his Chief of Staff.

[mtowngman]

16. Thanks for asking

seriously. It probably is because it's election day and I just got back from voting-for Corzine- and I'm thinking that the only thing I'm disappointed about is that we're still involved in wars in two countries.

I love DU but I'm the first to admit that I'm not as politically well versed as most here, so my question to you is, is there a plan to end these wars?

Thanks again for the timely question.

[indepat]

17. Get out of Iraq and Afghanistan asap, restore the rule of law and clean up DOJ, and don't

sign any any health-care reform bill into law that does not provide real reform and give all people access to medical care, just for starters. Then prosecute all the blatant lawbreaker who brought about the financial meltdown. :P

[Bonn1997]

19. Argue as forcefully and with as much common sense as Thom Hartmann or Ed Schultz for a strong

public option. Given his gifted speaking skills, I truly believe that if he'd done that from the beginning (and it's not too late now even though it is late), support for a public option would be at least 70 to 75% instead of 55 to 60% and would be high enough to force the blue dogs to support it. When the truth is on your side, people can't hide from it. Unfortunately, President Obama is hiding the truth from the public. More generally, whether it's gays' rights, military involvement, or health care, just do what you believe is right not what is the result of a complex political calculation. Whenever I've had a leadership position, I've always preferred to lose knowing I followed my principles than to maintain power by abandoning my principles. What good does the latter do?

[GCP]

29. +1

:thumbsup:

[tblue]

48. Dang! I'd vote for you!

Really!

[movonne]

24. Put the bush bunch on trial....

[tblue]

30. If he would 1) repeal DADT by exec order and 2) announce he wanted universal healthcare

with no trigger, I would feel he was pretty damned close to perfect. He so far has done neither and, looking back over his career and from what I read in his books, I doubt he will. Oh, and if he'd de-politicize the Justice Dept., so they could prosecute war criminals and war profiteers, and forbid contracts with those convicted, I'd be very happy. Would doing all this jeopardize him politically? Probably, and that's what would make him a truly great man. As it stands, I know there's a lot about Obama to like and appreciate, so I am generally, tho not 100%, on board.

.

[rvablue]

83. He NEVER said he would support universal health care, so if you voted for

him because of that and are now sorely disappointed, you have only yourself to blame for that.

He never broached universal health care and never avowed he'd try for it. NEVER.

[bluethruandthru]

92. That's true...but it's too bad he didn't really keep much of an

open mind about it.

[tblue]

99. I knew that. I'm just saying THAT'S what would make me happier with Obama,

I know that's not what he ever said he'd do, and that's why I've always been lukewarm to him.

Who said anything about blame?

[Uzybone]

56. The disappointment is not "seeming to set in"

The people disappointed in Obama has been "disappointed" in him from the jump. Check their history.

As for Maher and Arianna, they've been bitching from day one. Its their shtick. Neither of them are serious people.

[CakeGrrl]

71. For some, I doubt there's anything

he or his administration could do. Some have been dead-set against him from the go.

When some of the biggest things DO pass, I fully expect a chorus of "But it wasn't done soon enough," "But it's not good enough," "He didn't really do anything but put his signature on it," and so on and so on and so on.

[VMI Dem]

85. Either that or they will go back to their grumbly lives as second class citizens.

Pathetic, aren't they?

[ruggerson]

89. What do you think of PretzelWarrior and his constant taunts about "fabulous pink ponies"

[bunkerbuster1]

88. Fix everything that is wrong! immediately!

Just kidding. I'm not disappointed in Obama, I think he's dealing with a bunch of frightened little fools.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

91. More Cowbell

[Armstead]

95. Start leading and be clearly liberal...Oust the Wall Streeters and Corporate Advisors

Obama has a lot of potential to really lead the nation towards liberal/progressive advancement.

I would like him to come out and clearly defend principles like fair trade over free trade. Fight for a real public option, and push Congress on that.

He had (or at least had) the respect of enough of the country to really chart a course. I would like to see him use that.

However he is acting like the Democrat centrists who are either afraid or unwilling to hew to a clear set of principles.

There is a subtext of fatalism and defeatism underlying much of what he is doing.

[LaydeeBug]

You said, "disappointed", not outraged, so I'll respond. ROBUST PUBLIC OPTION. SINGLE PAYER. nt

I am mildly disappointed in Obama. But I am hard to please.

[LaydeeBug]

103. You said, "disappointed", not outraged, so I'll respond. ROBUST PUBLIC OPTION. SINGLE PAYER. nt

I am mildly disappointed in Obama. But I am hard to please.

[Stinky The Clown]

105. I'm going to take you at your word and assume you're serious ......

He could lead. He could take clear, unambiguous positions on issues. He leaves far too much up to others and seems more intent on keeping his fingerprints off things rather than on them. He leaves too much open for negotiations.

Yes We Can now needs to be Just Do It.

My own issue is health care, but there are other issues where he has failed to be the clarion voice calling the country and the Congress to follow.

War

Gay issues

The debacle that is the economy and the horrible Goldman Sachsing of the Treasury.

Privacy/wiretapping

Gitmo

The list is long.






He was seen as the Antibush. he has yet to live up to that.



For me, it is his ambiguity.




edit to change "gloing" to "going" in the title

[jgraz]

111. Excellent response

:thumbsup:

[Hell Hath No Fury]

120. That is it in a nutshell.

It's called LEADERSHIP, something he is not willing to do on too many issues. :mad:

He is the fucking PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. He has the biggest bully pulpit on the damned PLANET.

ACT LIKE IT.

There are times and issues that require a thoughtful, measured approach. And there are times and issues that require LEADERSHIP.

I believe the heathcare debacle we are facing is primarily because O did not clearly tell Congress exactly what he was looking for in a bill. He should have asked for the moon and then settled for the stars.

We elected him to lead us as a country, and right now he is not doing his job nearly well enough.

[earth mom]

112. Obama needs to quit kissing corporate & rethuglican ass! And that's just for starters. nt

[joeycola]

119. That would be a GRAND starter.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

118. 1. Get out of Iraq and Afghanistan as fast as possible, perhaps

turning peacekeeping efforts over to some of the more liberal Islamic nations, thus defusing the argument that America is on a crusade against Islam.

2. Tell Congress that he will not sign any health care reform bill unless it includes a true non-profit competitively priced public option that is open to anyone and/or lowers the age of eligibility for Medicare

[Bonobo]

125. Yes, Lydia, yes.

Sono toori.

[Zodiak]

123. Making me happy is a tall order; content would be good enough

Obama's main problems are mostly strategic rather than based on principle. If I buy the notion that he is interested in the progressive values he championed on the stump (and none of us REALLY know that answer), then the main source of disappointment I have in him is ceding way too much ground to people who have no interest in any progress whatsoever.

He has brought in way too many Democrats who frankly are more interested in power and padding the pockets of Democratic contributors than truly helping the American people. He has compounded this mistake by refusing to remove many entrenched members of the previous administration at a time when such removals are considered normal and even expected (Bush's crooked US attorneys, the Pentagon, the CIA, etc.). In doing this, he has sewn the seeds of his own failure. None of these people are truly on board with progressive policy nor are they going to allow accountability for the corruption that clearly has caused the problems we see today.

By surrounding himself with these people, and only these people (very few true progressives are part of this admin, and of the ones who are there, none are close), Obama is getting stellar political advice from party insiders that led to nothing but 30 years of capitulation to the right. The advice of these goobers is written all over certain strategic mistakes we have seen:

1. Starting out the healthcare debate with a massive compromise and shutting out the most ardent advocates for change has led to this frankenstein of a bill we see today.
2. Failing to press for a hard stance on Leiberman just in time for him to stab the entire Democratic party in the back at a crucial time.
3. Failure to remind the Justice Department that the previous administration's many crimes should be pursued for prosecution. This allows Dick Cheney and his daughter to run around freely trying to derail Obama's foreign policy.
4. Failure to reconsider McCrystal's leadership in Afghanistan, especially in light of his actions in the Pat Tillman cover-up. This failure has already led to McCrystal rewarding Obama's generosity with betrayal.
5. Failure to keep the excitement of his base, which has led to Republican astroturf successes. This is actually the easiest thing for him to do, and it baffles me why he either can not or will not do it.

...there are more examples, but you get the gist. Too much being nice is not only keeping important issues on the back-burner, but they are actually resulting in a loss of face and a loss of ground in the political battles. This is all too typical of beltway thinking, and has led to exactly no progress in the last 30 years.

So what can Obama do? For starters, he needs to find out which of his advisers he can depart with and then make a show of giving him the door. Replace that close adviser with a true progressive (replacing Rahm or Summers would be my choice). Not to follow this person's every whim, but to put some kind of bold thinking into Obama's inner circle. Without that progressive voice, I am afraid that beltway thinking is going to not only result in policy failures, but also in electoral losses.

In my experience watching the Democratic party, their strategy sucks most of the time, and I am afraid that this administration is not very different. I do not believe that is Obama's lack of vision....I think it is because there are just too many beltway outsiders shouting the same losing strategy at him...the lack of understanding or communication with his base has "Democratic insider" written all over it.

In the end, I support Obama, but man it is hard to watch him make the same mistakes Democrats always make when they run away from the left and strain really hard to embrace the ideas of people who hate them.

[Vidar]

124. Fire Geither, Summers, Holder & Emmanuel.

[Zavulon]

126. He could veto this ridiculous "buy insurance or else" health care bill.

I never thought I'd say anything along these lines, but I'd rather have no reform at all than that festering tripe that Nancy Pelosi is trying to shove down our throats. Obama should denounce this shit, stop with the "it's this year or never" bullshit, and direct House Dems to come up with something that doesn't stink like a Republican rest room.

[Kaleva]

128. For a million tax free dollors, I'll join TeenBeat Obama. I can be bought.

[Turborama]

129. Turn up at Copenhagen next month...

... in support of http://www.greenpeace.org/raw/content/seasia/en/press/reports/ngo-copenhagen-treaty.pdf">this treaty.