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rhombus Donating Member (678 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 07:23 PM
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Ed Schultz goes off on Obama again
He didn't like the fact that the President was in Wisconsin this afternoon talking about education the day after Democrats lost two governors races. He said the president's number one priority should be jobs, jobs, jobs, and getting the economy back on track. Interestingly, Sen. Rockefeller seemed to agree with Ed.


Has health care reform and other issues swallowed the jobs agenda?


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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 07:26 PM
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1. Too bad..I couldn't care
Edited on Wed Nov-04-09 07:26 PM by Cha
less what those sitting around harping think President Obama's every move should be.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 07:28 PM
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2. I give Ed a pass because he honestly says what he feels rather than just beating
the drum of whatever the talking point of the day is. And at times I'm in agreement with him.


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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 08:31 PM
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37. You're absolutely correct. - Ed wants a desperately needed public option more than anyone I've yet
seen...and he fights for the uninsured daily on his MSNBC TV show as well as his radio show....and the fact is he's fighting for you and me and others who can't afford the fucking insurance outrageous cost....Ed will NEVER need to use the public option he makes more than enough money....but he continues to fight for it for those who do need a public option which is most workers, unemployed and self-employed.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 07:28 PM
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3. The White House economist made a mistake
They thought this would top out at 8% and the agenda was set around that. They now have to figure out a balance with the old plan and incorporating job creation in all their messages.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 02:09 AM
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19. It's not like CREDIBLE economists who cruched the numbers didn't warn about this
last year while the stimulus was turned into half measures.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 09:05 AM
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24. On edit - My mistake
Edited on Thu Nov-05-09 09:08 AM by Nicholas D Wolfwood
Obama himself did say he expected unemployment to reach 10%. But that was after initial projections were changed after adjusting to a worse than expected Q4 GDP. It wasn't a mistake - just an adjustment.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 11:55 AM
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27. Adjustment is another word for mistake
Edited on Thu Nov-05-09 11:55 AM by AllentownJake
He is human, he will pick dumbasses to advise him and make mistakes...key is what he does with said people when they prove to be dumbasses.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 12:42 PM
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28. It was not a "dumbasses" kind of mistake.
The GDP was below most experts' expectations. These things happen. Not everything is entirely predictable.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 01:54 PM
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34. Actually no it wasn't
Edited on Thu Nov-05-09 01:55 PM by AllentownJake
Geithner himself predicted declines into the first quarter of 2010. How can you expect declines into 2010 and not expect unemployment to follow suit.

His economic team blew it.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 07:37 PM
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4. He's not being petty. He's just nervous.
Ed's just trying to light a fire under Obama because he, Ed, thinks Obama is not setting the table for victory on health care, jobs, or the next election. I think it's okay to put that out there.
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NRaleighLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 07:53 PM
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5. I think the way Hartmann put it was pretty spot on during his show today -
he thought that deep inside Obama is aligned with what needs to be done - he KNOWS what need to be done. The question is: does he have what it takes to drive the change (experience, guts, willingness to drop the bipartisan crap)....also, are the people around him enabling the change properly (Rahm, the finance bunch, his Dem leaders in the house and senate).

I realize it still hasn't been that long since his election. And I realize where we were for 8 years, and the disaster that McPalin would have been. But still - I do think it is crunch time, and enough is enough.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 08:34 PM
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14. I didn't expect everything to fixed right by now, he's exceeded my expectations on energy...
...HCR and the wars so far.

I expect more but what has happened so far I can fully appreciate the difficulty in bringing it about
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beltanefauve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 09:59 PM
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40. I'll take Thom
Edited on Thu Nov-05-09 10:01 PM by beltanefauve
over Ed any day. He's incredibly informed in history and Constitutional issues, he's polite, he articulates well, and doesn't have to shout to get his point across. Ed is too much of a windbag for my tastes.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 08:04 PM
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6. Yeah and if he didn't take time on Education. People would be bitching about that too
Also did Ed Schultz miss Obama meeting with Volker and others on that issue on Monday??
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joeycola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 09:11 AM
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25. Not to worry. Obama has his corportist Arne out there pushing charter schools and
high stakes testing all along. :puke: :mad:
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 08:19 PM
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7. Ed should stick to sports. Complicated politics is over his head
It's been obvious so many times to me that Ed tries to play the phony schtick where he's Mr. Grassroots or Mr. Populist Chest Beater... it's tiresome and usually ill-informed.

Nuance IS a basic factor in politics and those who can't take it should not be in politics or ACT like they are in politics.

Ed is happiest yakking about sports and he is entertaining in that regard. Trying to strong-arm his way into thinking he's a political animal is frankly delusional.

I've listened to him over the years and never make it all the way through an entire show. He shows his weakness as someone who clearly can read the bullet points handed to him by someone else, but his depth is thin.

Give me Thom Hartmann for my thick political soup... Mike Malloy for my political fireworks (although he strays into the weeds sometimes) and Stephanie Miller for my wacky funny view of the Repigs... Ed's show is boring to me.

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seattle_blue Donating Member (299 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 01:35 AM
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18. Thanx for your post
I consider Schultz to be slightly complicated. I realize that you either have it or you don't. I'd have to say that Hartman, Rhodes and Malloy have "it."
I often wonder if there's an undercurrent about Ed Schultz that is always slightly, just below the surface. There have been times when I wondered where his TRUE allegiance is. For example, is he yelling and screaming for dollars or just screeching about things he really does not have much knowledge about?
When I listen to Ed it does not seem like he has a very firm grasp about what he is talking about.
He was yelping about how a Democrat could lose in Virgina all day today. But he never explained that the said Democrat was against cap and trade, not so much for unions and was against a public option.
Anyone that participates on the DU can tell you that's an automatic losing strategy with the Democratic Party. How could he be so lost on the issues?
I think his general message is in the right place, but I often wonder where his heart is. Is it with the true liberal constituency, or $$$$$$$? Just asking.
This post was meant to offend anybody.
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KansasVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 08:21 PM
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8. The people here who are not a little disappointed in Obama are fools
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 08:28 PM
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10. That's your opinion.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 08:30 PM
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12. The people who think 100% of people are going to agree with 100% of what someone does is naive...
...so the expectations that Obama has done EVERYTHING correct seems to be the wish of failure via higher expectations.
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dave29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 01:19 PM
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33. I will gladly play the part of the fool
.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 08:28 PM
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9. Ed and Thom ignored some factual callers today, I think they're just complaining to complain
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 08:29 PM
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11. That's good to know..what kind
of game are they playing?
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 08:32 PM
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13. DK, I do know that Hartmans comparison of Obama to FDR who had an 80% dem congress was unfair
...and Eds pre-complaining about HCR was unfounded.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 08:36 PM
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15. Just can't quite get all the
facts right but want to be relevant or not..maybe they just care about attracting the perpetually disgruntled.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 08:41 PM
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16. My somewhat cynical side says they're trying to stomp down expectations of Obama...
...when it comes to his agenda so that Obama can exceed said expectations.

To me Obama has done a lot, while I would want him to do more he's done a ton...to match his current pace throughout this and another admin would be hard....

Don't know, there has to be a reason they're complaining is so void of facts and perspective

Eds "kick their ass" crap is starting to sound ill informed at the least.
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ej510 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 11:26 PM
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17. Obama's economic plans suck and stink to high heaven.
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 02:09 AM
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20. tough-love... sometimes necessary

I'd be more concerned if he wasn't speaking his mind
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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 02:25 AM
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21. It's not tough love. The Left is much closer
to hate Obama, than to love him.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 12:52 PM
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29. Precisely..lies are
not tough love.
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SpartanDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 03:14 AM
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22. Great now the left is parroting the right wing Obama is doing too much BS
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 03:44 AM
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23. take it ez on Ed this is a Goldman Sachs admin ,hoping it changes!
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 09:17 AM
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26. Oh no! Obama is just like Bush and cannot do more then one thing at a time!
And young people not being able to afford college is a huge issue. I would still be paying off my college loans at 33 if my parents were not nice enough to pay them off for me as a Wedding gift.
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marlakay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 12:56 PM
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30. I had to turn Ed off
his screaming reminded me of Rush. I would like to see any of the people that gripe about Obama including us here try and actually do his job...yes I don't think he is perfect but the job includes many areas not just one. I am sure to the people fighting for better schools think their issue is #1.

He has a fucking mess to clean up in every department. Would you want to be in charge of that? and try to get congress to get some balls at the same time knowing some of them still see him as a junior senator that doesn't know shit...or they are jealous that he bypassed the waiting till your turn unspoken rule.

I wonder how many of the senators aren't helping him pass shit because secretly they don't want him to go down in history??
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Aramchek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 12:56 PM
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31. Nobody listens to Ed. he's like our fat, obnoxious uncle
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 01:10 PM
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32. I can't believe anyone still listens to that ranting luantic who sounds more like Glenn Beck
every day.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 02:30 PM
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35. Ed Schultz is getting really hard to take
he seems like a guy who needs a vacation because his job is starting to drive him crazy. He is naive about how the process works-he seems to think that Obama should just run the country the same way that Bush/ Cheney ran it. Tell the congress what they want and use any means necessary to get it. Look how well THAT worked out for the republicans Ed.
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 05:43 PM
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36. The President knows that jobs is something he can't improve, unless he goes full-on FDR.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 09:41 PM
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38. Ed's gone back to his Republican roots. Not surprising.
Edited on Thu Nov-05-09 09:42 PM by Phx_Dem
I don't know how you go from a Republican, who wanted to run for a Republican seat, to a self-proclaimed progressive Democrat as quickly as he did.

Fuck off Ed.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 09:47 PM
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39. Ed Schultz is a true LIBERAL Democrat. I'm proud of him!
Go ED! :loveya: :yourock:
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