I'm an idiot. Out of the loop. What are the 'Dean Tapes'?

[WilliamPitt]

And why are they such a big deal?

Keep the bloodletting to a minimum. I just mopped the floor. Thanks.

[JohnKleeb]

1. I wanna know too

:) Yes i am simple.

[Draven]

I too wonder what these "Dean Tapes" are...

[LuminousX]

2. Tapes of Dean on some Candadian program in the 80's

I guess there are a lot of them, 90 hours.

http://www.whotv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1593676&nav=2HABK5ly

[WilliamPitt]

3. The 80s? They aren't pornos, are they?

:)

Why is this important?

[eileen_d]

7. Dean Gone Wild! Vermont Governors Exposed!

Dude, there's this one part where he totally takes his top off...

Edit: personally, I haven't read anything about them that shocks my socks off. Looks like a media non-issue to me.

[LuminousX]

12. Did he have man-boobs?

Does he need a bro?

[Draven]

45. LOL! That was the greatest episode of Seinfeld ever!

[JVS]

47. Manssiere!

[Dookus]

57. No...

it's a "milieu"

[MinnFats]

52. no. but perhaps a 'manzier.'

agreed.
that was one of the best seinfeld eps.
right up there with 'There was Shrinkage!'

[hellhathnofury]

13. "The horror! The horror!"

I hear there are Clark speedo pictures, you shouldn't be talking.

[eileen_d]

25. Hee hee

Seriously though, I think any "horror" about these Dean tapes is a stretch. Seems like a pretty obvious attempt to find something controversial that didn't pan out...

[hellhathnofury]

31. Duh, same old story.

I was refering to the possibility of a topless Dean. I like the man but there are limits.

[Clark4VotingRights]

50. That's my take on it too. In terms of controversy, there's no there there.

With apologies to Oakland...

[WilliamPitt]

15. No way! Does he have brown nipples or pink nipples?

I love brown nipples. This might sway my vote.

:evilgrin:

[LTR]

42. 'scuze me

:puke:

[brainshrub]

21. Dean Gone Wild! LMAO!!!!

I have GOT to figure out how to use that PhotoShop program I DLed the other day.

[DuctapeFatwa]

49. Uncensored Farm State Bloopers!

Dean FULLY CLOTHED - AGAIN!!!

[SahaleArm]

62. Farm porn? Santorum is already drooling at the thought...

He has thing for dogs :evilgrin:

[LuminousX]

9. Dean says unflattering things about Iowa Caucuses

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/09/politics/campaigns/09DEAN.html?ex=1074229200&en=3eef0744f772a4c1&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE

[HFishbine]

61. To be clear

He wasn't dissing Iowa in particular, he was making a rahter astute observation about the caucus process in general.

[TexasPatriot]

17. he's got a lot of quotes in em...

he calls Bush a 'moderate'...
he says the Iowa Caucuses are dominated by fringes...
not really anything interesting in today's episode

[tameszu]

56. No, not the 80s--1996 to 2002

During the 2000 elections, he called the Iowa caucuses unrepresentative and a process that requires pandering to special interests.

[Lobo_13]

4. Apparently

MSNBC ran a segment about some Canadian show that Dean did for a few years.

He said that the IA caucuses were controlled by special interests on both sides.

It's got everyone up in arms except the people who participate in IA caucuses.

[WilliamPitt]

6. "the IA caucuses were controlled by special interests on both sides"

Ya mean...like...American politics?

Bastard.

:)

[slinkerwink]

14. no, unions, etc----this comment was made years ago before they

changed the caucus system to allow for two hours instead of eight hours. Also, a lot of Dean's GOTV efforts involves supporters, not unions.

[Lobo_13]

16. Go figure n/t

[JVS]

48. Wow people who care to participate have influence!!!

how undemocratic! :-)

[janx]

19. I don't even think he mentioned Iowa, did he?

It was more about caucuses in general.

[dajabr]

5. They are a form of riding crop the media whores use...

To get a horse race and make the cash register cha-ching. One of many lashings to the rump this week to ensure that a Dean blowout doesn't get people away from the clicker.

[WilliamPitt]

10. You're the front-runner in the Totally Unhelpful Answer contest

Go back stage to collect your prize if you win. :)

[dajabr]

20. Oh, you wanted help?

I was just lightly ranting. I'll take it elsewhere. Keep the prize, I already have a pocket fisherman. :-)

[WilliamPitt]

26. Yes, but do you have the Singing Bass?

Tempted? Yesssssssssssssss...?

:)

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

51. Like skimming rocks on a pond sometimes

[janx]

22. Actually, that was the most succinct definition of the

"Dean Tapes" I've seen thus far.

[brainshrub]

8. They were taped over by the Paris Hilton porn

which is probably why you can't find them.

They were very grainy anyways...couldn't make out much.

[DuctapeFatwa]

11. They're nothing. You can't even see Paris Hilton

[Feanorcurufinwe]

36. If you want to see Paris Hilton

[DuctapeFatwa]

43. My point exactly. find me Dean in that pic

I hope nobody orders the CD. what a rip.

[mac56]

65. LOL!

Thanks for the chuckle.

[Draven]

46. Yeah, I was disappointed when I d/led Paris Hilton's tape...

Couldn't see a damn thing. :grr:

I mean, I never dl/ed her tape.........:shiftseyes:

[HFishbine]

64. From where

can one never download this tape?

[LuminousX]

18. I was hoping Dean really was in Ninja III

[in_cog_ni_to]

23. go to

www.msnbc.com and watch it.

[WilliamPitt]

24. But that would take effort

and cause me, furthermore, to end my MSNBC embargo. So sorry, no badda. :)

[SadEagle]

28. How about reading this story?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3908334/
that would take only one click, and a quick read

[WilliamPitt]

29. Reading...ahhhh...

Thanks. Be right back.

[WilliamPitt]

32. OK, read it. Whola lotta nuthin

"Yet he also shows that he’s much more consistent on issues — like affirmative action and trade — than some of his opponents give him credit for. And despite the constant complaints that Dean has no foreign policy experience, he demonstrates a good grasp of international affairs."

Good stuff.

I'm surprised at Olbermann for getting so breathy about this. I thought he was one of the few TV guys with a brain in his head. Hm.

[VolcanoJen]

34. Well, OK, Mr. Particular...

.... here's the direct MSNBC link:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3908334/

and here's a pretty interesting GD2004 thread on the "incident:"

Breaking: Deans past views. Editted (sic) to Yahoo.

I think the entire affair is pretty snoozeworthy in the realm of "October-surprise-variety" campaign scandals. What he says about the Iowa caucus system was as accurate then as it is now, relatively, but he does go on to say that Al Gore isn't "quick on his feet" (I think all's forgiven now; move on). He also said something about Hamas that is honestly entirely irrelevent today, although the comment about Arafat ("the next great tragedy is going to be Arafat's passing, believe it or not") is rather unfortunate in any context, politically.

Always hoping to be helpful,
;-)
Jennifer

[WilliamPitt]

35. Makin' me read, huh? What are ya, tryin' to start a fight?

:)

Total non-story.

[VolcanoJen]

37. I provided the entire synopsis in a nutshell, actually.

Go eat an energy bar and read the paragraph, wouldja?

;-)

ON EDIT: But, in the interest of saving you time, and calories, it's absolutely a snoozy, October-surprise-that-doesn't-really-have-any-meat, non-story. Nothing to see here, if you ask me.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

I am as anti-Dean as anyone, and there nothing to this story.

From NBC, melodramatically entitled Tale of the tape on Howard Dean.

[slinkerwink]

30. thank you for recognizing it's a non-issue

[JaneQPublic]

41. My hat's off to ya, Feanor....

It's very big of you to say there's nothing to this story. And I know how Anti-Dean you are!

[windansea]

27. same Dean as there ever was

no biggie

[WilliamPitt]

33. By the way...and not tooting own horn here...but

this is the most entertaining GD2004 thread I've ever seen. Nicely done, folks.

Dean Gone Wild...snarf.

[LuminousX]

38. It has been a rough day in GD2004

there is a definite need to blow off steam.

[JohnKleeb]

39. and I didnt get to partake in it

Dean Gone Wild, no thank you, I would prefer girls gone wild :).

[Cocoa]

40. his hair was slightly less white than it is now

that's about it.

[madrchsod]

44. i guess i didn`t miss much either

but then i really could care less about what dean "said" about iowa or what ever..more interested in what he has to say now.

[Orangepeel]

53. Most of the quotes they showed on the news were great for Dean

I guess dissing the Iowa caucuses was a "whoops," although it hardly seemed like a big deal to me.

But the tapes also showed him strongly defending affirmative action and telling a conservative who claimed that 80% of single mothers end up on welfare that that was "absolute crap." Works for me.

[nadinbrzezinski]

55. And even there

he pointed out that the caucus is dominated by special interests...

And PLEEAAZZZEEEEE... it is NOT? that was true.

[Clark Campaigner]

54. something to do with Paris Hilton I think

[Printer70]

58. It featured him in a ninja movie

...in which he was a pilot. ..Well that video was more interesting anyway.

[REP]

59. Jimmy Dean and His, er, Sausage Tapes?

Better than the othr Dean tapes, which were over-hyped.

[arwalden]

60. Why Are The Pundits Calling It "Another" Gaffe?

How can it be "another" when it happened in 2000? He didn't make "another" gaffe.

-- Allen

[Cheswick2.0]

63. they can't help it

they were hired for their stupidity