NEW POLL: Dems Who Oppose Public Option Bill Today Will Lose Obama Voters in 2010

[ProSense]

NEW POLL: Dems Who Oppose Public Option Bill Today Will Lose Obama Voters in 2010

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We polled 800 Virginia Democrats and Independents who voted for Obama in 2008 but didn't turn out for Creigh Deeds in 2009. The main finding? A huge majority of these voters thought Deeds "wasn't progressive enough."

Not only that, but many will decide whether to vote in 2010 based on whether or not Democrats pass a public option, and specifically said they were less likely to vote for Deeds after he said he would "opt out" Virginia from the public option.

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Did this dropoff among Obama voters matter to Creigh Deeds? Absolutely. From RootsWire:

Last November, Barack Obama received 2.0 million votes and John McCain received 1.7 million votes. This November, Creigh Deeds received 0.8 million votes and Bob McDonnell received 1.2 million votes. Which means that Deeds "underperformed" Obama by 1.2 million votes, while McDonnell "underperformed" McCain by only 0.5 million votes. The difference between those two "underperformances": 700,000 votes, or more than twice the total that Creigh lost by.

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[John Q. Citizen]

1. If Obama were progressive, he would push single payer. Not this market based solution crap.

why the micro public option?

Afraid the insurance companies will cut of the contributions?

[ProSense]

3. If people weren't delusional, the world would be a better place. n/t

[John Q. Citizen]

4. You can say that again.The Public Option is like WMD - Neither exist. But the delusional insist they

do.

[demwing]

5. Nothing good will ever come from

anything, I suppose.


Ah who gives a shit, we'll all die horribly in 2012 anyway.

[John Q. Citizen]

10. The health care industrial complex pretty well owns the whole political process.

They first got people off of demanding single payer by holding up the shiny new public option.

Then when they gutted that, people just rolled over and pretended we won we won we won big!!

We've been scammed, again.

We got Romney Care.

Makes me wonder why we didn't vote for Romney. I mean if that's winning, what's losing?


I don't buy that nothing good will ever come from anything, in fact I've rejected that mode of thinking my entire life. I'm just not going to pretend that Romney care is wining. It's not.

[Teaser]

6. you're boring me.

wear your clown nose next time.

[Cha]

9. ..

Indeed.

[stevenleser]

21. When is this person who spends all of his time attacking Obama and Democratic bills being TS'd?

Just curious.

[Cha]

24. We have to put up with the

clowns but they've rendered themselves impotent.

[John Q. Citizen]

25. Surely you aren't refering to me? I've been here longer than you and I spent

last year knocking on doors and setting up phone banks getting Obama elected.

As a newbie, you should read the DU rules.

It will answer your rather on-the-border-line-of-breaking-the-rules question.

Here's a link. Educate yourself. http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules.html

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

42. LOL. You've been here since '04, Steve since '05. Yeah, Steve's such a noob.

You pulling the nub card is quite wankerly.

[mkultra]

43. actually, skinner made it clear that anyone

insulting or displaying contempt for Obama or his supporters would not be welcome here. So by all means, keep it up.

[stevenleser]

44. Ha. I don't need to read it. I know what happens to people who spend all their time attacking Obama

and Democrats. Sooner or later, you will get your granite filled pizza.

[John Q. Citizen]

13. ahh, Romney Care is carrying the day. Congratulations! Romney would be happy to

see that the Dems like his idea.

Everyone Covered!
Subsidies for Low Income Folks!
Choice of plans from a Central Exchange!
Everyone must buy in!
It's a win win for people and insurance companies!

sucker

[ProSense]

14. There is no such thing.

The Mass. plan looks nothing like the plan Romney proposed.

In fall 2005 as the House and Senate each passed health care reform bills.

The legislature made a number of changes to Governor Romney's original proposal, including expanding MassHealth (Medicaid and SCHIP) coverage to low-income children and restoring funding for public health programs. The most controversial change was the addition of a provision which requires firms with 11 or more workers that do not provide "fair and reasonable" health coverage to their workers to pay an annual penalty. This contribution, initially $295 annually per worker, is intended to equalize the free care pool charges imposed on employers who do and do not cover their workers. The legislature also rejected Governor Romney's proposal to permit even higher-deductible, lower benefit health plans.

On April 12, 2006 Governor Mitt Romney signed the health legislation.<19> He vetoed 8 sections of the health care legislation, including the controversial employer assessment.<20><21> Romney also vetoed provisions providing dental benefits to poor residents on the Medicaid program, and providing health coverage to senior and disabled legal immigrants not eligible for federal Medicaid.<22><23> The legislature promptly overrode six of the eight gubernatorial section vetoes, on May 4, 2006, and by mid-June 2006 had overridden the remaining two.<24>

link

Now stop crediting a Republican with something he opposed.

[stevenleser]

22. Ah my dear Prosense. There you go confusing the issue with facts again. Mr. Q Public doesnt want any

stinking facts. They just want to attack Obama, Democrats and what they are trying to do.

[John Q. Citizen]

26. Actually I was busy Googling the term Romney Care, and according to newspapers,

magazines, think tanks, TV news sites, and many many sources around the world, the system of government subsidized mandated private insurance that they have in Massachusetts is commonly referred to as "Romney Care." I appreciate that ProSense took the time to provide some facts as to why she thinks that's a mis-nomer. But it's surely a widely shared mis-nomer.

So don't let the facts get in the way of your facts.

I like facts.

Here's a fact.

The national plan the Dems and Repos are debating today is remarkably similar to what they have in MA, commonly referred to as Romney Care.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/08/20/romney.health.care/index.html

It keeps costing more and more money. The insurance industry likes it. It's what we are probably going to get.

So educate yourself, so you know what you are talking about!

And welcome to DU! I guess I missed you when you first got here, but better late than never.

[ProSense]

28. You think a CNN title is a fact? There is no such thing as RomneyCare, and

maybe you should read the article you linked to:

"Seven in 10 people in the state support the program, and no more than one in 10 would repeal it." said Robert Blendon with the Harvard University School of Public Health.

Unlike Democratic proposals that would give Americans the choice of joining a government-run health care plan, Massachusetts has no public option. Instead, people in the state are required to buy private insurance, and the poor get subsidies.

[John Q. Citizen]

32. You think you get to decide what a fact is and what it isn't? So anything that supports your opinion

is a fact, and anything that doesn't isn't a fact?

Well that explains a whole lot about the last 11 months of your postings.

[ProSense]

7. WMD does exist,

just not in Iraq. You're not very good at analogies.

[John Q. Citizen]

30. Actually, they found some small non-functioning WMD. The Repos made a big deal about it., remember?

Old gas canisters. Said it proved they were right.

Kind of reminds me of the small non-functioning Public Option in the house and Senate bills.

And danged if the delusional don't keep trying to make a mountain out of that little mole-hill too.

[ProSense]

34. So you're saying WMD exists? Stop talking in circles. n/t

[John Q. Citizen]

35. Are you usually this desperate?

[ProSense]

36. Obviously, you are n/t

[emulatorloo]

2. Makes a hell of a lot of sense. Now the trick will be to get a good Dem in, not a teabagger n/t

[HughMoran]

8. I like this poll

A little dose of reality for those who would bring down their own party.

Progress is GOOD!!

[patrice]

11. What PO? I REALLY do need someone to show me the precise points that are doors to

a possible future that has a real PO

with more coverage for more people AND preventative services covered included.

I just listened to a benefits pitch this week. NOTHING new in re Preventative and Complementary Health Services = NO CHANGE!

[ProSense]

12. Read

keep reading

So many facts, so many people ignoring them.

[John Q. Citizen]

17. Fact:6 million enrolled by 2019 does not a public option make. Except in the minds of the deluded.

Not you Prosense.

I mean the true believers who still don't know that there was never ever going to be a PO.

[ProSense]

18. Fact: 42 million more Americans will be covered under this bill

including millions more receiving Medicaid.

[John Q. Citizen]

20. Will they be required to sell thier second beater car?

[patrice]

23. "acceptable" is coverage that qualifies with __________(?) the law, or something, but obviously not

acceptable to the individual. So it does appear that this PO will be available only to those who have not been offered anything else. Are we to expect that employers will offer plans that don't qualify with the law, so that their employees will, eventually, be able to get into the PO and then they, the employers, will be relieved of the re$pon$ibility of providing HC insurance?

Also: Acceptable to this individual would mean something that covers more legitimate Preventative and Complementary services. I see/hear no possibility of that in anything that has been discussed thus far.

[patrice]

27. What if InsCo offers qualified plans, but the employer doesn't accept any of them?

Perhaps because the employer either wants something less expensive or that includes Preventative and Complementary Health Services.

Is the employer fined for refusing a "qualified" plan?

[John Q. Citizen]

15. There ain't no cat and there ain't no cradle!

[Aramchek]

16. woe unto those on the wrong side of this issue, History will not be forgiving

[Christa]

19. He will not lose me

The alternative is just too horrendous.







There is no god and I am his prophet.

[patrice]

31. The President will (likely) not lose me either. It's my Blue Dog whose under my scrutiny here.

Can't do anything about our Rep :puke: senators and I know I risk causing trouble for the President if our Blue Dog looses, but what the Hell is the point of supporting something that is sooooooooooo completely out of touch with the People?

Why the Hell can't the party give us a REAL Democrat to run for our Blue Dog's seat?

Don't answer that question; I already know. We're a small "rural" state and we haven't counted since Dean for America. Well, I can tell you this, I am starting to think of one sure-fire way to "count" and that will just be too bad for our Blue Dog.

[Clio the Leo]

38. Yeah, but if your Blue Dog gets replaced by a Red Elephant....

.... then you're hurting the President's agenda.

[patrice]

39. Yes, so it's the difference between nothing I want happens & BAD shit happens. I guess I should at

least be used to nothing I want happening, except for these fucking wars going on, which is some BAD SHIT that my Blue Dog did not oppose.

[Phx_Dem]

29. Deeds wasn't progressive enough so they voted for the wingnut who

thinks women shouldn't work and is against everything the Democrats stand for. Uh huh. That makes a lot of sense.

[John Q. Citizen]

33. The stayed home. Just like in 94 after Clinton forced NAFTA down our throats.

[Phx_Dem]

48. Exactly. But the article suggests they voted against him because he wasn't

progressive enough. I don't think that's true at all. I think they just stayed home -- as you said.

[Clio the Leo]

37. Was Organizing for America supporting these campaigns at all?

I dont live in an area where there was an election Tuesday night, so I dont know. But was OFA trying to get the vote out in NJ and VA? (Not that they should be expected to.) If they were NOT .... that would explain a lot.

[Hutzpa]

41. Not to my understanding. n/t

[Hutzpa]

40. Then I will take back my concern

not that I was anyways, but I had this feeling Deeds was a douche.

Edit;

What about Jon Corzine? anyone know what happened there?? :shrug:

[stevenleser]

45. He had a personal and job approval level of around 35%

Only slightly fewer people approve of swine flu.

[Hutzpa]

46. 35%

What about Organize for America? did they work for Corzine?

[fedupinBushcountry]

47. Got that right

Nye lost my vote tonight.

[Phx_Dem]

49. That includes you, Kucinich.