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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 10:19 PM
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The so-called healthcare "reform bill" becomes a right-wing anti-abortion bill.
Edited on Sat Nov-07-09 10:21 PM by Better Believe It
Yet another good reason to support this bill written by the private insurance industry and big Pharma.

218 votes need to pass the anti-abortion rights amendment to this bill.

The anti-abortion amendment vote was 240 to 194 and has passed.

This looks like the kind of vote one saw after the Republicans won control of the House in 1994.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 10:20 PM
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1. Are insurance companies currently obligated to pay for abortions without restriction now?
Edited on Sat Nov-07-09 10:21 PM by stray cat
Are there any insurance policies currently that pay for abortions without restricitons?
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 10:24 PM
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3. Insurance companies may pay for abortions but now won't be allowed to under this amendment.

Is that clear or do you need more information?
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 10:25 PM
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4. Some states have laws restricting the coverage of abortions by private insurance
Compared with abortion issues that have grabbed significant media and public attention, state requirements governing private insurers’ coverage of abortion have, by and large, remained below the radar screen. A handful of states prohibit private insurers from covering abortion services, except in cases of life endangerment; more extensive coverage may be purchased at an additional charge. Lawsuits challenging these restrictions have had mixed results: In 1986, a federal appeals court invalidated Rhode Island’s requirement that private insurers exclude coverage of most abortions; in 1992, however, a federal district court upheld a similar Missouri statute. More often, states have banned abortion coverage in public employees’ insurance policies or in other cases where public funds are used to insure employees. These policies range from prohibiting coverage for abortion services altogether to offering coverage only when necessary to preserve the woman’s health and life or in cases of rape, incest or fetal abnormality.

5 states restrict insurance coverage of abortion in private insurance plans; 4 limit coverage to cases when the woman’s life is endangered; 1 limits coverage to life endangerment, rape and incest. Additional abortion coverage is permitted only through purchase of an additional rider and payment of an additional premium.

12 states restrict abortion coverage in insurance plans for public employees.

3 of the states provide abortion coverage only when the woman’s life is endangered.

7 of the states, in addition to offering coverage to save the woman’s life, provide coverage to protect the woman’s health or in cases of rape, incest or fetal abnormality.

2 of the states flatly prohibit any insurance coverage of abortion for public employees.
http://www.guttmacher.org/statecenter/spibs/spib_RICA.pdf
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Garam_Masala Donating Member (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 04:21 PM
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16. Insurance now pays for any abortion necessary for medical reasons
such as mother's health.

Under the proposed bill, they may be prohibited from paying for
any abortion.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 04:26 PM
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18. They are not currently PENALIZED for offering coverage
That's the point
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 10:21 PM
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2. Who are the 64 women hating Democrats? n/t
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 10:28 PM
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5. Why?! Why?! Why do you continue to ALWAYS be disingenuous?!
I'm not fond of the stupak but this is not the end of the road and your maringalizing everything else the bll does. Ugh, this is frustrating.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 10:39 PM
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6. Why, why, why do you constantly use the word disingenuous?!
Edited on Sat Nov-07-09 10:39 PM by Better Believe It
That word was popular among some political people a few years ago but is now passe.

Here's another word you can use. Narrative.

Try to use it in a sentence.

Good luck!

:)

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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 10:41 PM
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7. I would use "lie" but I don't think that's allowed. I could use "exagerate."
But that's boring. It should be your nickname.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 10:42 PM
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8. Disingenuous is a very good word. Narrative is not similar at all.
dis⋅in⋅gen⋅u⋅ous
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–adjective
lacking in frankness, candor, or sincerity; falsely or hypocritically ingenuous; insincere: Her excuse was rather disingenuous.
Origin:
1645–55; dis- 1 + ingenuous

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dis⋅in⋅gen⋅u⋅ous⋅ly, adverb
dis⋅in⋅gen⋅u⋅ous⋅ness, noun

Your post was weird.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 11:07 PM
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10. I apologize for my lack of a college education. But I'm learning new, big words and ....
Edited on Sat Nov-07-09 11:12 PM by Better Believe It
don't find it necessary to flaunt them before an audience.

Anything that you and others can do to improve my English language and grammer skills will be greatly appreciated.

:)

I'm sure that disingenuous is a very good word. I looked it up sometime ago in a dictionary. However, the poster questioned my intentions, views and honest beliefs when she/he used that word. I didn't appreciate that personal attack. And that poster routinely engages in such personal attacks against many DU posters who question any of her views or leaders in the Democratic party she/he believes are beyond criticism.

Now I'll tell you what's really bugging me about the term disingenuous. I think it's being used way too often in the media and by political people. I hear or read it almost everyday from people over and over and over again. It's like some people need to demonstrate their knowledge of a "new" word, like some child, and must perform their mastery of the new big word in front of an audience. How impressive! It's become downright annoying to me! Now I believe there is a word for a term that is overused. I think it's called a cliche. Is that right?

Thanks for your help.

:)




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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 10:45 PM
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9. The saddest aspect of this bill is that if the Dems did this to get more Rep votes,
their efforts are in vein. The Reps' strategy is to weaken the bill as much as possible and STILL not vote for it... :puke::puke:
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 11:14 PM
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11. They got.....1.
Seriously.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 11:34 PM
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12. The dude from LA; Jefferson's old district. He knows better. He represents a majority of
African Americans.
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 11:42 PM
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13. no, they did it to get more Democratic votes. There are anti-choicers in the party. n/t
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 12:04 AM
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14. I'm well aware of that. n/t
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 04:18 PM
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15. Then why didn't the repukes all vote for it?
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Garam_Masala Donating Member (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 04:25 PM
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17. New taxes ($$$$$ = Money) outranks prinicples (pro-life)
Edited on Sun Nov-08-09 04:26 PM by Garam_Masala
for the repuglicans.
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Aramchek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 04:30 PM
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19. quite a steaming cup o' FAIL you brewed there
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budkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 04:34 PM
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20. Wrong.
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