Hey all you non-supporters, it is better than NOTHING.

[KansasVoter]

Don't you know that getting through a crappy bill is better than no bill???

And you know the saying, "when the going gets tough, vote for a bad bill!!"

Jump on board this bill or leave the DU. We only want people here who support Democratic bills no matter how crappy they are.

[valerief]

1. Hey, the insurance companies make out! That's really all that matters. nt

[KansasVoter]

2. I see the "Unrec Cowards" are out in full force today!

[kstewart33]

3. Sounds good to me.

All things considered, I'll take this crap. And so will millions of other Americans once they desperately need this crap.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

4. If we can have litmus tests for other issues, I think this should be one of them.

If you can't support this bill, you should have your DU membership revoked. Period.

[AnOhioan]

17. Too damn you are not in charge then huh?

I will say it here...this whole bill is a farce. I do not support it.




What? I am still here?

No membership revocation??

Huh...seems what you want does not amount to much.

Oh well...sucks to be you

ROFL

[juno jones]

5. K&R! n/t

Stirring the pot.

[Cleita]

6. Oh, I'm glad it passed.

Now we know where our politician's true loyalties lie. From now on I KNOW that I will not give one penny nor work for any election of any of the candidates who brought us this. I will show up for elections to vote against any candidate who is a corporate whore no matter which party they run under.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

9. So you'll be staying home then.

Because good friggin luck. Enjoy your asinine tantrum that's based on absolutely nothing factual.

[Cleita]

13. No, I won't be staying home, but neither will 70% of Democrats who agree

with me, most of the women, thanks to the Stupak amendment will be. There will be a huge backlash if this is allowed to stay.

[dionysus]

16. what you fail to understand is, that out in reality land, people will enjoy not being denied

coverage for pre-existing conditions. you overestimate the popularity of your outrage. outside of DU, and in reality, this is considered a victory.

[Cleita]

18. What good is that if they can't afford the coverage?

I'm against tiered systems anyway. As a near communist I feel everyone should have the same access to quality health care regardless of their economic status. Back in the forties and fifties we had county hospitals and clinics that the poor and uninsured could go to, but there were always the stories of how dingy and crowded these facilities were but hey at least they were getting basic health care. The middle class and wealthy people didn't want to share the same waiting room with these poor underclasses so that's where the insurance industry started gaining a foothold. When that happened and we had uptown and downtown in health care, the public health patients got less and less in quality health services as the budget cuts to these institutions lessened their effectiveness more and more. They are practically non-existent these days except in some large cities.

As for victory, I know the insurance companies are high fiving each other behind closed doors, even though they pretend to be miffed. For us, it's a Pyhrric victory at best, but do enjoy it while your bubble is inflated because it will become deflated once all the holes in it let out all the air.

[dionysus]

19. it will be subsidized. look, no one is doing backflips because the bill is teh awesome

but millions of people will be helped.

seriously, i admire your principles but this is far better than nothing. it WILL save MANY lives

it sucks but single payer never had a chance.

[Cleita]

23. It will have a chance when this plan is a colossal flop, then Washington

will have to get it right the second time around. It's too bad we couldn't skip this phase of trial and error, since it's been tried before and failed and single payer has been tried before and is a success, even in our country, where it's known as Medicare.

[liberalmuse]

7. Tell me how the bill you wanted would've passed the House again?

Oh, wait. It wouldn't have. Not for another 40 years, anyway. That kind of extremism is found on the right as well. They want to save fetuses, because they are pure and perfect, but fuck all the flawed human beings. Reality isn't pure. It's flawed and ugly, but its REAL. I prefer that over some pretty little perfect thing that doesn't have a chance in hell of truly existing.

[KansasVoter]

8. Give up. That is a good trait!

[liberalmuse]

10. You're putting words in my mouth.

And that is petty and dishonest.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

11. No, draw us a roadmap.

List all 218 House votes and 60 Senate votes that would get you the bill you want. I want to know each person you think would vote for your bill. Otherwise, you have no case.

[Armstead]

12. Some pretty little thing like civil rights, Medicare or Social Security ?

Hey I've got an idea. let's pay trillions of dollars to build a national system of public roads that connect every part of the country, including areas where nobody lives.

Naw....That'll never happen.

[Cleita]

20. We need to get back the liberal politicians who are like those who got those things done like

FDR, LBJ and yes Eisenhower, although a Republican, who was very liberal in his ideas about building the commons, and who brought us the interstates.

[msongs]

14. purge the bad parts and only pass the good parts. nt

[Cleita]

21. That would be two sections of the whole 1,000 pages of it.

[dionysus]

15. tres bitter. i like it.

:thumbsup:

millions of people that won't be denied coverage any more thank you.

[IndianaGreen]

22. I expect the same adoring crowds when Obama announces his war plans for Afghanistan

Those of us that oppose this reckless and foolish adventure will hear the same cries that this is "Democratic" Underground and that we must support the Democratic President and his Democratic wars.

[AnOhioan]

24. +1

[salguine]

25. There are parts of this post that make me think it's serious, and other parts that

seem drenched in sarcasm. I don't know what to make of it.

[RBInMaine]

26. It is NOT a "crappy" bill. With you people anything short of what you want is "crappy" and in the

real world that is a NUTTY way of thinking. You obviously have ZERO sense of political reality. Sorry, but you like the TeaBaggers are on the nutty side of history. This is just a start. But we MUST start somewhere. And all you can do is piss and moan because of its imperfections rather than see a half full glass advance on the issue. FOOLISH and HOPELESS !