LOL....you know this place has gone to hell when Big Ed and Kucinich are the bad guys!

[KansasVoter]

Amazing how the DU wants "blind support" like Bush got.

[Teaser]

1. boring

I hope something good is on TV.

[Aramchek]

2. It's not blind support. It's rational support. You might not know what that is.

[azmouse]

5. It's only Obama's feet that get held to the fire on DU.

St Dennis is above reproach by many here no matter what he does.

[Sebastian Doyle]

7. Why do you bash Democrats in every single thread you appear in?

Why are you here? Clearly you have never supported a Democrat in your life.

[Aramchek]

11. I support the 219 Democrats who passed the Bill yesterday and the President who made it possible

Who do you support?
Not them obviously.

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[Aramchek]

21. Lay off the Paranoid Pills, pal. Seek help.

[msallied]

3. So you advocate blind support of idealism at the expense of any progress at all instead?

[Ken Burch]

17. Nice repetition of the Beltway line.

n/t.

[msallied]

33. And you're doing a fine job of repeating the delusional liberal teabagger line.

[Ken Burch]

39. It's Republican to use "liberal" as an epithet.

n/t.

[msallied]

40. I didn't use liberal as an epithet. I used it to modify teabagger. Oy vey...

[Kdillard]

4. What has DK gotten you or any progressive to earn such relentless defending?

[Kahuna]

25. Pie in the sky?

:shrug:

[provis99]

27. What has this bill gotten us? something worse than the status quo.

Why are you defending corporate Democrats who are making things worse for America?

[msallied]

34. Prove it. Have you read the finished bill?

[tekisui]

29. He holds to the Left and it does shift the debate.

Without DK and a few others like him, every bill would be center to center right.

[DJ13]

6. People want to win, they arent concerned about the details

Thats precisely how the MSM manipulated the right when Bush was in power, now they're doing the same thing to our side.

[A Psychoanalyst]

8. Total Agreement NT

[inna]

37. welcome to DU! (hope you're for real.)

[hlthe2b]

9. We spare no one around here... Gandhi, Dalai Lama, Jesus Christ,

MLK, Mother Theresa.... We are incredibly fickle...


Speaking of which, KansasVoter.... What have you done for us lately? You're among the group quite overdue for a miracle, I believe. :evilgrin:


Seriously, though, we have big expectations here and it would be impossible not to have them crushed from time to time. That said, I do think we need to hold the administration and COngressional leadership's feet to the fire.

[Sebastian Doyle]

15. none of whom would have voted for this crappy bill.

[Ken Burch]

35. We're nice to kittens and puppies, though...well mostly...

n/t.

[FrenchieCat]

10. Why? Are they always supposed to be right about everything?

Are there cheerleaders here beyond those called that each and every day,
by detractors of the Obama Administration?

If people like you rationalize that Obama can be criticized for his bad policies,
his feet held to the fire sorta speak,
then why can't Kucinich and Big Ed's feet be held to fire also? What makes them special.....?
because they get to talk more than they get to act?

How shitty.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

12. Big Ed? You mean Ed Schultz?

Ed Schultz fucking sucks. Always has.

Just loud mouth cable news trash on par with Nancy Grace and the guy who does the stock market with all the sound effects.

As for Kucinich, every liberal in congress is supporting HCR except for him.

And you're upset that we don't like Kucinich? Looks like you're the one interested in blind support.

[liberalmuse]

14. WRONG!

You are making flawed assumptions of those who disagree with you. Complex thought is a good thing.

[emulatorloo]

16. Seems a bit strawmannish. I like DK, don't care for his vote on this one.

I like Ed, as long as I have ready access to the volume control.

[Vidar]

18. Recommended for a shred of sanity.

[Connie_Corleone]

19. Not all of us are Ed and Kucinich fans.

I never liked Kucinich and Ed is just a big mouth who doesn't know how Congress works.

[ProleNoMore]

32. Bad Bills Are Bad Bills

eom

[frazzled]

20. You can be part of the solution, or ...

You can sit on your pedestal pontificating. And then you might as well be part of the problem.

It's good to goad ... but only up to a point. Because the line between goading and obstruction is a very fine one.
True liberal legislators, like say, Anthony Weiner, know when to push and when to back off in the interest of actually getting something done. Something not perfect ... but perhaps perfecatble.

I sense a lot of people here would have opposed Social Security legislation back in Roosevelt's day, because not only was it imperfect, it was downright dastardly in some ways. But it was the toe in the door, and it was continually improved until it became the bedrock of progressive legislation.

So yeah, people like Kucinich and Big Ed get my goat. They are not helping anything, except themselves.

[Phx_Dem]

22. lol. Big Ed was a Republican up until a few years ago.

He even wanted to run for a seat as a Republican.

Anyone who has ever been associated with a financial services company is evil and can never be redeemed, but former Republican and now angry ranter, Ed Schultz, is a God and the bastion of liberalism. Uh huh.

[Norrin Radd]

23. And they are doing it under the guise of "holding feet to fire"

or "criticism," though I've seen a lot of epithets like "St. Kucinich" or pictures of Keebler Elfs, which are simply ad hominem. Much like a certain person on this thread who said that Krugman looked like a rat, once.

[Jennicut]

24. This is DU, since when is anyone sacred? Really, we critictize

everyone here. Mostly it is each other.

[scheming daemons]

26. 215 people voted against this bill

176 Republicans
38 conservative Democrats (in name only)
and Dennis Kucinich

Now... I ask you... are the 214 Nay votes that AREN'T from Dennis the "bad guys"?

If they aren't, then you're at the wrong site.


Now.... if those 214 are bad guys, and I think we can agree they are.... then what is Dennis when he votes with them?


Judge him by his actions. He voted the same way that John Boehner voted. That makes him the enemy on this issue.

[CakeGrrl]

28. The "blind support" hyperbole again? Why is it so hard not to think so monolithically? n/t

[ProleNoMore]

31. Read the Posts and Criticisms - If The Shoe Fits ...

eom

[CakeGrrl]

36. Burden of proof is on those making the claim. I haven't seen one of "blind support"

despite the numerous, numerous claims.

I do find it ironic that those who would deride others as thinking the President is a "Messiah" or "The One" are those who seem most to expect that he have so much the nation's shit together in ridiculously short order.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

38. I find it funny that the same people who accuse others of blind loyalty will will toss every other

Democrat overboard for Kucinich. A week ago: Money Bomb for Grayson! Grayson 2012! Today: FUCK HIM! ONLY DENNIS IS RIGHT!

They happily criticize Lieberman for saying he can't vote for the bill because of his conscience. But Kucinich makes the exact same argument and he's principled.

[ProleNoMore]

30. DU Has Always Expected That There Should Never Be Criticism Of Democrats

Regrettably, There is also a contingent of Obama supporters that have placed their faith in him blindly.

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