Please register your Choice......

[FrenchieCat]

Poll question: Please register your Choice......

If you had to choose who cast the right vote last night, who would it be?

Dennis Kucinich or Babarba Lee?

which of those two votes was actually progressive, i.e.,
voted toward progress rather than
voted to support the status quo?

[Sebastian Doyle]

1. I reject the false premise of your poll

It should read "Dennis Kucinich - because principle is more important than a huge corporate blowjob".

[rug]

4. But it's a victory. The House spit and did not swallow.

[GreenArrow]

21. 'twas the people

who've swallowed.

[Ken Burch]

36. Enough already with the blowjob imagery!

There was no need to give this thread a Lewinsky.

[FrenchieCat]

6. It is exactly a correct premise.......

Kucinich voted the way that he did,
and rationalizing who it affected is selective at best.

38 million Americans would be directly affected by this bill in the positive,
and Dennis Kucinich voted against those 38 million,
because the bill wasn't good enough as far as he was concerned.

That is what he did.

[Sebastian Doyle]

14. The bill is false reform that rewards the criminal behavior of the insurance industry

To stand on principle against that, is not a BAD thing.

[Ken Burch]

2. I would have voted for the bill

but demonizing Dennis serves no purpose. It would only be acceptable if the bill had lost by one vote.

[FrenchieCat]

3. President Obama's feet are held to the fire daily here at DU,

so I'm not sure why Dennis Kucinich's feet are exempt.

You want to tell me why that would be?

[Ken Burch]

8. Obama is only criticized here for abandoning principles

You're attacking Dennis for not surrendering on his.

And again, the bill passed. I suspect Dennis would have voted aye if he'd been told it was an actual dead heat.

[FrenchieCat]

12. A poll at DU is not an attack on Kucinich,

Mr. Cheerleader.

He may be special to you,
but he ain't that fucking special to me.

As to what you "suspect", it doesn't mean diddly squat, and you know it.

[WeDidIt]

20. YOU ARE WRONG!!!!

Obama is attacked here for building consensus which is the legislative process.

Kucinich is exalted here for being a self righteous prick who has never done anything to move a progressive agenda forward. HE talks the talk but is incapable of walking the walk.

[Sinti]

18. +1

[jonnyblitz]

5. what a fucking STUPID premise but typical for you.

[FrenchieCat]

9. holding feet to the fire is fucking stupid when I do it, hey?

Perhaps I'm not that fucking stupid....
perhaps the point that no one is perfect
hold true even when we are referencing St. Kucinich.

Perhaps what is typical of you is to call names,
and still, no one gives a shit.

[Justyce]

7. Kucinich cast the right vote, but not for your reasoning.

x

[FrenchieCat]

10. Please enlighten me.

Cause I'm looking at what would happen,
if more would have voted like him (who weren't blue dogs or Republicans).

Thanks.

[debbierlus]

11. The very nature of being a principled person is that you stand by them

And, the democrats find priciples expendable. It is all lip service, no spine. The majority HAVE no principle.

The entire health care reform was fought from the perspective of keeping the insurance companies and big pharm PROFITABLE.

This bill is a fraud. It is a scam sold as a solution. It expands the power of the very industry that broke the health care system, and yet we are told this is progress. If you care about people, you fight for the people. And, the democratic leadership didn't even begin to fight.

They sold us out. I will be coming out with a very long post about the specifics.

[FrenchieCat]

16. You and Dennis Kucinich are more concerned with Insurance Companies

than you are about uninsured people.

That may be a principle, but it doesn't make it humane,
it only appears like it on its face,
if one truly doesn't think about the actual practical ramification of that vote.

I don't elect philosophers to congress,
I elect people who are ready to get something tangible done
that benefits people, especially those who have the least.

Barbara Lee has plenty of principle,
she's just not willing to put it over
the lives of the many Americans in her district
who have no health insurance.

[Pyrzqxgl]

13. I'm not going to vote here & I'm going away from DU for awhile & listen to some music.

Can't cope with bullshit like this.

[Sherman A1]

15. None of the above

because I really don't like your options.

[FrenchieCat]

17. Two Reps, each considered "Principled" had different Principles last night....

that is a fact, which is why I put up this poll.

They had options of yes or no votes,
and each took a different route.
There are reasons why they did,
and in both case it dealt with the principle each holds.

[harun]

19. Other: They both did.

[IndianaGreen]

22. Voting to restrict abortion rights is NOT a progressive vote

More and more Democrats in Congress each year are anti-choice. It’s acceptable now. These groups have the lobbyists, the money, the access, and their leadership uses it for their own personal advancement while the cause they purport to defend withers on the vine.

Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-hamsher/naral-and-planned-parenth_b_349596.html&cp

[FrenchieCat]

23. So perhaps Barbara Lee knows something that you don't......

Kucinich on the issue of Abortion? Why am I not impressed? :shrug:

[IndianaGreen]

24. She is too old to have children of her own!

That's a fact!

[FrenchieCat]

25. and?

If that would be the case, most of the women on capitol are in that same boat.

What kind of a rational is that?

you are reaching.....

that's for sure.

[rebel with a cause]

27. Maybe he is too amd that's why he married one.

:shrug:

[vaberella]

28. And Kucinich is a man----he can't get pregnant.

What the Fuck does that have to do with anything?! You people are now grasping for straws to make a point. And you're getting stupid in your claims.

[KansasVoter]

26. You are an idiot. That is all I can say.

[FrenchieCat]

33. You must be quite frustrated.....

But look, if calling me a name helps you get through your day,
call me whatever makes you feel better about yourself....
I'm good.

[ProleNoMore]

29. Dennis Kucinich - Because A Bad Bill Is A Bad Bill

eom

[LatteLibertine]

30. I would have voted for the bill

to get the door open and the ball rolling in the right direction. It will make passage of like legislation easier in the future. It's not ideal and it will still save lives.

In addition, it will give momentum to President Obama to achieve other things. If it goes down it will be much harder for him to get anything meaningful done for the rest of his term.

[ipaint]

31. 18 million will be left uninsured. Any volunteers?

Seems everyone's hands have a bit of blood on them. Especially since we are coming off 20 years of uninsured americans and a million deaths as a result.

At some point we will need to fight for every last person but apparently not yet. We are still operating in the I got mine mode drilled into most of us since reagan.

Once the senate gets a hold of this bill that 18 million number will rise.

[AllentownJake]

32. Post that in GD

Just saying :evilgrin:

[FrenchieCat]

34. Is that an order, sir?

As we both know, your every post to me is your directive as to what I should do.

Anything else, sir?

[AllentownJake]

35. Hey I was nice today

I gave you the three Senators you should target the most aggressively if you want any hope for the Senate Bill.

[FrenchieCat]

37. I saw that and wrote them down.......

as I know you would expect me to do....sir!

[AllentownJake]

39. The rest of the group you aren't going to have much luck with

Lieberman would stab his own mother in the back to get TV time.

[Onlooker]

38. By this logic, Don't Ask/Don't Tell should be seen as progressive

If one simply needs to vote for the best legislation to be progressive, then Don't Ask/Don't Tell should be considered a progressive piece of law. Though I'm glad the health care bill passed, because I think Congress' in the future can amend it, I really admire Kucinich for voting his principles. Clearly, he's the more progressive, while Lee is the more pragmatic.

[bluetrain]

40. Women's lives are actual lives. The poor are actual people, too. Amazing concept in this America, I

know.