So, when Repukes use Wedge issues, it's bad. But Democrats are allowed?

[Aramchek]

Those who oppose the Healthcare Reform Bill that the House just passed are using the Wedge Issue of Abortion to try and kill the bill.

How is this any better than what Repukes do?

And those attempting this don't even try to get the facts out. They use confusion and half-truths to accomplish their goal.

Here is the Stupak Amendment > http://www.docstoc.com/docs/15284081/Stupak-Amendment-to-HR-3962-Rev-108

Read it, and you will see that it does little more than reenforce the Hyde Amendment which has disallowed Federal subsidies for abortion coverage for the last 33 years.

It specifically allows for the purchase of non-subsidized plans which cover abortion.
It just doesn't allow you to have Abortion coverage in the same plan you purchase with a Federal subsidy.

Why are so many trying to misrepresent this?

[tekisui]

1. That is rich. Telling liberals that defending women's rights is a RW tactic.

If it 'does little more than reenforce(sp) the Hyde Amendment', why add it?

[Aramchek]

4. have you read the amendment?

using misrepresentation to confuse people about the effect of this amendment is just as bad as the lies the Repugs spit.

You know it doesn't take anything away that currently exists.
But you don't care to let those who you are whipping into a frenzy in on this fact.

Tell the truth and let people make their decisions based on that.

[tekisui]

11. I've read it and I stand by the statement that it is bullshit.

The Democratic Leadership is weak and corrupted that they allowed this in. It is a shame, a real shame.

[Aramchek]

15. so what does it take away? how is it different than what currently exists?

is it that you just think abortions should be subsidized?

if that is the case, you should be up front with that.
because then it is Hyde which you want to overturn...

[sandnsea]

6. Because abortion was included in the exchange and public option

They tried to say the subsidies wouldn't be the same thing as taxpayer dollars going directly to abortion, like Medicaid. Of course they are. Which is how we ended up with Stupak, which didn't need to happen.

Funny how they'll fight for ALL abortions in a middle class bill, but fuck the poor women on Medicaid.

[tekisui]

13. Medicaid should be changed, too and Hyde should be reversed.

[sandnsea]

16. But it isn't going to be

So let's not pretend this is anything more than trying to slip in abortion coverage without anybody noticing - and oops, they noticed.

On to the next plan. Mandated abortion riders on every single policy in the country so that every woman has easy access to choosing the coverage.

[niyad]

2. why the almost hysterical defense of this woman-hating piece of crap legislation?

[tekisui]

3. That is what gets me.

Why can't we, as an allegedly progressive site, all agree that this amendment is a bullshit slap in the face to women's rights. It should not be tolerated from the Democratic Party.

[sandnsea]

9. Because we need to get health reform passed

Why can't the people who are now obstructing it figure that out. ALL of them.

[niyad]

18. tell me again what the point is of passing a bill that screws so many of us?

[Jennicut]

10. The amendment is bullshit. I pray it comes out in the Senate version

or the conference committee version but don't hold out hope. It was a matter of passing the bill or not. The blue dogs that voted for the amendment and against the bill didn't care about health care reform, they cared about getting abortion more restrictive for poor women. These blue dog idiots are not worth our time and money. They deserve to lose in their elections. What good are they to the party? Didn't even help to pass the bill in the end anyway.

[wayoutthere]

32. You Don't Have A Say So,,,,,

All the deal makers don't know you exist right now,,,,,,They are struggling getting this through with anything left in it,,,,started out a full bag & now a half a bags left. Wait until the Senate eats away at it more....not a Win at All for Obama.....

[Aramchek]

8. reading the amendment is now considered hysterical?

try to think rationally when you type a post.

[niyad]

17. oh, nice one. I was referring to the endless number of posts here defending this woman-hating piece

of bs. thanks for proving my point.

[Aramchek]

19. have you read the amendment? or do you prefer to believe the spin?

[John Q. Citizen]

5. Welcome to DU. hope you enjoy your stay here. It's a nice place. See you around.

[Aramchek]

12. I agree, it is a nice place

[me b zola]

7. Let Rep. Degette, whom supports Hyde but opposes Stupak, explain

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x400719

[Aramchek]

14. she wants abortion coverage in the same plan that is being subsidized

who is to say that the subsidy doesn't pay for abortion then?

supplemental plans that cover abortions but are paid for with non-subsidized funds are allowed.
this is what we currently have.

[me b zola]

25. The health care bill sans Stupak states

~that the bill will maintain the status quo on women's access to reproductive rights. No need for this crap in the bill.

You sound hostile to women's rights.

[Aramchek]

26. yeah, that's right. he-man woman-hater here!

:sarcasm:

[me b zola]

27. Sarah Palin believes herself to be pro-woman

Not calling you a republican nor a woman hater. But you do sound hostile to women's rights.

[Aramchek]

29. I support Women's Rights. I support Healthcare Reform. These are not mutually exclusive.

Do you want to kill HCR just because it doesn't repeal the Hyde amendment?

That was never the intended purpose of HCR.

You should really question your own 'facts' before you tell me how I 'sound'.

[me b zola]

30. You lose.

I support HCR. I support the bill that passed the House. Both President Obama and I oppose Stupak-Pitts:

Obama: 'This is a Health Care Bill, Not an Abortion Bill'

President Obama said today that Congress needs to change abortion-related language in the health care bill passed by the House of Representatives this weekend.

"I laid out a very simple principle, which is this is a health care bill, not an abortion bill," Obama said. "And we're not looking to change what is the principle that has been in place for a very long time, which is federal dollars are not used to subsidize abortions."

~more @ link~

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/abc-news-exclusive-obama-jobs-health-care-ft/story?id=9033559

[Aramchek]

31. Obama only says that the status quo should remain

That means no federal funding of abortion.

That is what the Stupak amendment says if you had bothered to read it.

[Bluenorthwest]

20. You do not have the skill set

for the level of difficulty you are attempting. This is steaming bait filled with spin. It is in fact worthy of the GOP, but like, on the local level. Not big time at all. Rank and shallow, transparently divisive and simply an ego routine.
You are both wrong and a boring read.

[Aramchek]

21. care to enlighten me, genius? I have a feeling you haven't even read the Amendment

you just bought the line that was fed to you.

you were opposed to the Bill before that amendment even passed.
why would I expect any intellectual honesty from you regarding this?

[Roosesvelte]

23. There Is Wisdom Here

Passing Health Care is a win. One battle at a time.

[golddigger]

22. +1000

:thumbsup:

[sandnsea]

24. Wow. What a pile of steaming shit

Not one fact in your post and you dare to ridicule the OP and talk about ego and spin.

[Diamonique]

28. Stupid Stupak was allowed to wedge this issue into the bill.

It never should have been a part of a health care bill.