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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 07:33 AM Original message |
Can anyone list 3 big differences between the Stupak and the Hyde amendments? |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 07:38 AM Response to Original message |
1. 1) It doesn't have to be renewed every year (it's permanent) |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 07:57 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. For 2, what is the restriction? and for 3 wouldn't the Hyde amendment outlaw any federal funds... |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 07:58 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. You clearly don't WANT to see the differences. |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 07:59 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. I'm asking question for answers truthful strait forward answers not spin |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 08:00 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. I gave them to you. |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 08:05 AM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Your statement was false, the person can buy a rider and the Hyde Amenmend ALREADY outlaws |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 08:08 AM Response to Reply #18 |
24. You only wanted people to list the differences so you could argue them? |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 08:10 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. How bout answering the questions more than calling names, I got thick skin but I like constructive |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 08:10 AM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Who did I call what name? |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 09:11 AM Response to Reply #18 |
53. One last thing. If it's "redundant" and no more restricting than Hyde, |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 01:16 PM Response to Reply #18 |
98. It is discriminatory for women to have to buy extra coverage for their healthcare. |
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LaydeeBug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 08:01 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. more like you're trying to spin it as if there's no problem with it. |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 08:08 AM Response to Reply #13 |
25. No, just tryin to get truthful, stright foward and accurate answers. Right now you cant use federal |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 08:22 AM Response to Reply #25 |
42. Holy shit, really? |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 08:23 AM Response to Reply #42 |
44. LInk and quote....TIA |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 08:24 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Ya know what.... |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 08:28 AM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Nikki, please don't take the request as personal I just want to read it for myself. I did not see... |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 08:43 AM Response to Reply #47 |
50. I said good day. |
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LaydeeBug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 07:47 AM Response to Original message |
2. We don't need three. That's like saying, "well three fifths of a person is only two fifths off, |
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Ineeda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 07:50 AM Response to Original message |
3. What poster #1 said, and to clarify even more |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 07:55 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. This is false, she can by the rider...like 1 said. |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 07:56 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. I also said it's "discriminatory and illogical". |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 07:58 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. No, I miss the part where federal funds can be used for abortions being made legal... |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 08:06 AM Response to Reply #8 |
20. See here: |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 11:50 AM Response to Reply #5 |
92. Big deal whether it's a rider or not |
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Ineeda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 08:05 AM Response to Reply #4 |
17. Deliberate obtusity.... |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 08:06 AM Response to Reply #17 |
22. My understanding is ALL insurance companys will HAVE to offer the rider. THey can't opt out of it |
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Ineeda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 08:13 AM Response to Reply #22 |
32. Only you are talking about a rider |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 08:15 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. I agree but it's law today and now that I know about Hyde I'll support those who want to get rid of |
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Ineeda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 08:18 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. You obviously don't want to see, as it's been explained repeatedly. n/t |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 08:20 AM Response to Reply #37 |
41. The statement about the rider is false, Stupak does NOT prevent a person paying for an abortion wit |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 11:05 AM Response to Reply #22 |
76. That's not true at all |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 10:16 AM Response to Reply #22 |
103. that is a bald faced lie |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 11:04 AM Response to Reply #4 |
75. A supplemental plan is not a rider |
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TicketyBoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 10:40 PM Response to Reply #4 |
100. This "rider" or "supplemental plan" |
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fasttense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 07:59 AM Response to Original message |
10. The major difference is that the Stupak amendment prevents you |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 08:02 AM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Taking the face of the bill you can buy an insurance rider for abortions can't you? |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 08:05 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Should men be be required to buy a "rider" for constitutionally protected legal health care services |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 08:07 AM Response to Reply #16 |
23. Only If I can't use federal funds or anything related to federal funds to pay for the procedure |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 08:08 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. So... what health care services for men have been excluded? |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 08:18 AM Response to Reply #26 |
36. The ones that currently prevent federal funds used to pay for them? TIA |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 08:20 AM Response to Reply #36 |
40. Which are....? |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 08:23 AM Response to Reply #40 |
43. The ones that are currently under law. Look, I don't like the Hyde amendement either it's stupid... |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 10:39 AM Response to Reply #43 |
65. Right now, many insurance companies and states will pay for it |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 11:12 AM Response to Reply #65 |
78. Please link and quote Stupak PREVENTING states from payin with their OWN FUNDs as they do today... |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 08:11 AM Response to Reply #16 |
30. Nikki, I'm intersted in constructive conversation with accurate information not name calling |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 08:11 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Who did I call what name? |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 08:17 AM Response to Reply #31 |
35. Here |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 08:19 AM Response to Reply #35 |
39. Your POST is dishonest |
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TicketyBoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 10:53 PM Response to Reply #39 |
102. Well, maybe you should have spelled it out |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 10:45 AM Response to Reply #16 |
69. I don't know, you tell us. It's your taxes. |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 11:04 AM Response to Reply #69 |
74. I think excluding care based on moral convictions is wrong. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 11:14 AM Response to Reply #74 |
79. Then that is the argument you should be making. |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 11:30 AM Response to Reply #79 |
83. Follow along. |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 11:36 AM Response to Reply #83 |
84. I have found one tangible non status quo difference and that is in congressional procedure to ... |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 11:39 AM Response to Reply #84 |
85. I have never advocated killing the bill over Stupak, but I will *NOT* defend it as "OK". |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 11:44 AM Response to Reply #85 |
89. Agreed, Hyde is not OK either IMHO. I'm thinking one benefit from Stupak right now is it will expose |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 11:49 AM Response to Reply #89 |
91. Indeed. Hyde is in and of itself a violation of Roe v Wade. |
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fasttense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 08:06 AM Response to Reply #14 |
21. NO, NO, NO |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 08:26 AM Response to Reply #21 |
46. Link and quote the private earnings part if you don't mind, TIA. A person can CURENTLY pay for |
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Aramchek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 11:40 AM Response to Reply #21 |
87. read the amendment again. particularly parts B and C |
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LaydeeBug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 08:03 AM Response to Reply #10 |
15. Thank you fasttense, telling it like it is is like a tonic to these bullshitters. nt |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 08:18 AM Response to Reply #15 |
38. Again, Stupak allows for purchase of a rider but not with federal funds how is that different from |
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Aramchek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 11:39 AM Response to Reply #10 |
86. no it doesn't. look at parts B and C of the amendment |
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TicketyBoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 10:48 PM Response to Reply #10 |
101. Of course, |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 08:00 AM Response to Original message |
11. three? As if making in permanant is not enough? |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 08:06 AM Response to Reply #11 |
19. People can name 300, I wanted just 3 |
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fasttense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 08:10 AM Response to Reply #19 |
29. You could not buy an abortion rider on your insurance policy unless you made more |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 08:13 AM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Unnn, can you link and quote that. That's not what I heard or read my understanding is you can buy |
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Ineeda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 08:41 AM Response to Reply #33 |
49. Unnn - you've been asked multiple times BUT WON"T ANSWER |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 09:51 AM Response to Reply #49 |
54. Again, having anybody buy extra coverage for HC is stupid and that doesn't change current law. Hyde |
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fasttense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 08:55 AM Response to Reply #33 |
51. You are wrong. |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 09:54 AM Response to Reply #51 |
55. I did NOT say the can't do it with THEIR OWN MONEY like Hyde says now. I've read that part and it... |
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joeycola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 08:30 AM Response to Reply #29 |
48. The very fact that women are being asked to PAY EXTRA for a rider |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 09:55 AM Response to Reply #48 |
56. My question is how is that different from today!?!? I agree it's stupid but it doesnt change any law |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 08:59 AM Response to Reply #19 |
52. What? |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 09:58 AM Response to Reply #52 |
58. My point was anyone can come up with an infinate number of reasons good or bad I just wanted the |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 09:57 AM Response to Original message |
57. Abortion rights are fundamental rights |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 10:01 AM Response to Reply #57 |
59. I agree, my question is how does Stupak add to any restrictions Hyde has already |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 10:30 AM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Stupak prevents insurance companies from offering abortion coverage |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 10:36 AM Response to Reply #60 |
63. Link and quote this FROM THE AMENDEMNTS not from some blog. The amendments DO NOT say this |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 12:15 PM Response to Reply #63 |
95. If the insurance companies want to belong to the exchange... |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 12:22 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. Again, that's NOT what the amendement says and that's not what anyone has posted and from what |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 01:05 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. And you don't think requiring a special rider is discrimination? |
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msallied (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 01:57 PM Response to Reply #97 |
99. The OP didn't say he supported the amendment. |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
61. Wow...the OP is bigtime deliberately obtuse. |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 10:38 AM Response to Reply #61 |
64. Link and quote FROM THE AMENDMENTS then the difference between Sec 236 of Stupak |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 10:46 AM Response to Reply #64 |
70. I have seen constructive answers on this thread which you ignored |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 10:55 AM Response to Reply #70 |
71. ANOTHER person refuses to state the difference between the sections. Is this DU or FR?!?! |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 11:01 AM Response to Reply #71 |
73. Ummm...I never said I would |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 11:07 AM Response to Reply #73 |
77. I'm interested in an accurate answer from the amendments, someone did point out that Stupak doesn't |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 06:42 PM Response to Reply #64 |
106. why don't you find the amendment yourself and read it? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
62. How is it going to be any different than things stand now? FYI, only 2% of women per year have one. |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 10:39 AM Response to Reply #62 |
66. It's not IMHO, Sec 236 of Stupak is almost word for word of Sec 507 of Hyde, some are grasping on to |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 10:43 AM Response to Reply #66 |
68. You're right. But no matter, the language will be removed in conference. nt |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 01:11 PM Response to Reply #66 |
104. Yep, you are right, but I think a lot of people don't understand |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 10:41 AM Response to Reply #62 |
67. Now on the other hand it does take away the religious rights opposition to HCR. I've listened to |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
72. With the Stupak amendment, you have to buy seperate abortion insurance |
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joeycola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 11:16 AM Response to Reply #72 |
80. nicely said. but some think it is OK that women have to pay extra!! |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 11:29 AM Response to Reply #80 |
82. My question was in regards to changes from what is done now with federal dollars. As of now... |
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marlakay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 11:54 AM Response to Reply #82 |
93. They said it also affects indirect money from the feds |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 12:08 PM Response to Reply #82 |
94. My issue is with the restrictions placed on insurance companies |
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Aramchek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 11:41 AM Response to Reply #80 |
88. they have to pay extra now as well |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 11:27 AM Response to Reply #72 |
81. hx, this give me a section I have to read because what I heard on NPR yesterday was the HCI's HAVE |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 11:48 AM Response to Original message |
90. Watch the Degette video. It will open your eyes. |
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