The first groups Obama consults with...

[SHRED]

...are the multi-millionaires.

He is a Corporatist folks...not a "Lib" or even remotely to the Left.

Single-Payer?

:rofl:

[gateley]

1. Why are you doing this? nt

[SHRED]

2. Because people are dying...

...at the hands of the medical and military-corporate-complexes.

[SHRED]

3. Afghanistan and NO single-payer

[gateley]

6. But what can you accomplish by such a post? Those who agree with you

already agree with you, and those that don't have heard the argument and have chosen to believe otherwise... so what's to gain?

Or, were you just venting your frustration? :pals:

[SHRED]

8. venting...

...and hopefully a "wake up" call for some.

[dionysus]

34. either you are blaming obama because single payer has no votes, which is disingenuous, or you have

no clue about how laws get made.

[Garam_Masala]

35. Least Obama could have done is shout "Single Payer" from the

roof tops. Then even if congress turns it down I would give him
A- for best effort.

How is this convoluted weak PO any good when it provides the insurance
corporations with 37 million more customers by force of mandates? And
why are they allowed to charge MORE for existing condition people?

[dionysus]

38. it wouldn't make sense for him to publicly trumpet something he knows there isn't support for.

it might make some people feel good but it would make anything other than single payer percieved as a huge defeat in the media. that's just simple political maneuvering.

if single payer had enough support to pass, it would have been tried, it didn't have close to enough support. and that's congress' problem.

[Garam_Masala]

40. Ok..but how do you create support when the president is not

actively pushing it via his very eloquent speeches, news conferences with Perot style
charts, and so many other avenues the president has as the chief bully pulpit holder?

[dionysus]

42. the answer is to take corporate money out of campaign financing, but the problem is

you'd need the targets of lobbyist's dough to be the ones to vote on it.

[timzi]

43. Yup- I Now Believe That Is The ONLY Answer

[dionysus]

45. the question then, is how. and that's a really big question.

the pres can't just issue a signing statement on that.

[salguine]

11. Why aren't you?

[Cant trust em]

4. This is one of the least insightful posts I've seen in quite a while. nt

[vaberella]

5. Ugh, worthless post. But your avatar should have given me a clue. n/t

[ClarkUSA]

7. Kucinich is a useless Democratic dwarf who voted against the stimulus plan, the climate bill and HCR

He's a do-nothing professional blowhard who voted against HCR for 300 million Americans on "principle" who's not about to give
up the medical coverage he gets at taxpayers' expense. I hope he gets primaried by a pro-choice Democrat who nails him for
being a bench warmer who's never accomplished anything legislatively.

[firedupdem]

25. add Clyburn resolution...he's rolling with the republicans. n/t

*** and the nationwide Amber Alert system. What was that all about?

[phleshdef]

9. BS, yet still, would rather have corporatist Obama as President than "all talk", "get nothing done".

...piece of shit thats in your avatar.

[Jennicut]

10. The first group he consults with when? When he first got in office? Today? This post makes no sense.

I get the need to vent but we do need posts we can understand and comment on. I have nothing to add to this comment because it was not detailed enough.

[jeanpalmer]

12. It's similar on Afghanistan

Who does he talk to decide whether to send more troops? The military. Political advisors. Bureuacrats. Has he ever talked to the people who matter most, the Afghan people to get their opinion? No, of course not. Does he care about their opinion? Not a bit. He consults the corrupt puppet instead. Why doesn't he hold a townhall meeting in Kandahar? Do you think they're gonna say, "send in more soldiers"?

Obama is messed up. I thought he had a conscience and cared about the little people, but he does not. He's just one more in a long line of MIC commanders.

[SHRED]

13. With Afghanistan...

....Obama is just deciding to what degree he wants to enrich the military-corporate-complex.
With Shrub...welll...he didn't think twice..

Damn Corporatists.

[geek tragedy]

29. Get back to us when you've actually thought about something

instead of zombie whining.

[dionysus]

33. you know what? by now i'm actually glad you're so bitter and angry. makes me smile.

how will you make it the next 7 years without ending up in an asylum?
:hi:

[phleshdef]

14. Criticizing consulting with military commanders and defense advisers over WAR is the stupidest...

...fucking criticism ever.

[jeanpalmer]

15. What about the American people?

They want out of there. Does he seem to be listening to us? Not a bit. He's listening to the power elites, who are responsible for getting us in this mess, particularly the military. They're a bunch of screwups, but that's who Obama is listening to.

Someone should listen to the people of Afghanistan, find out what they want to be done. IT is their country. But Obama doesn't care what they think either.

[SHRED]

17. We want...

...a strong government health insurance, legal industrial hemp use, and out of Afghanistan to name only 3.


But our government is not about "us", now is it?

[RoadRage]

16. Yup.. totally agree. If only we would have elected McCain & Palin..

Things would definitely be looking up by now. Well.. i know for 2012!!

:eyes:

[Garam_Masala]

36. Not McCain..UGH.....but Hillary would have been a better Nominee eom

[Jackeens]

18. Ah SHRED, still fearing the worst?

January 2008:

"Will Hillary or Obama do better in the Heartland and the South, compared to Edwards, when going against a Republican in the general election?

A simple question.

I say no way and I also say that the Democratic Party would be foolishly mistaken to think so.

This country is not progressive enough to support a woman or an African American for Prez.
It just isn't.

We are, but we know better because we inform and enlighten ourselves.
The masses?...No way.

p.s....I hope I am wrong."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3920447

So, who wasn't ready to support an African American for Prez?

:shrug:

[SHRED]

19. I admit it

I was wrong.






I didn't realize Obama was not a Progressive/Left/ or Liberal.

[Jackeens]

20. Oh, that's okay. But do you still believe America isn't ready to support an African American Prez?

[SHRED]

21. Support or elect?

Obviously the latter.

Support?
He has a tough road ahead.

[Jackeens]

22. He sure does. So many willing him to fail, it's depressing.

Night.

:hi:

[SHRED]

23. "willing him to fail"?

I want him to be more people oriented.


---

[bertman]

24. Well, if you bring the multi-millionaires in as your closest advisors, my guess is they

are the ones you'll consult with. That was pretty much established from the gitgo. Besides that, multi-millionaires and billionaires control the world, so why wouldn't the Controller-in-Chief want to consult with them? We're just here to cheer at rallies and pay taxes, not to advise the President. Dint you know that, SHRED?

[Ikonoklast]

26. The first group Dennis consults with...

[timzi]

31. I Was Not Unhappy To Witness Tim Russert's Being

"beamed into the beyond" because of his use of this tactic during a debate.

Each party has it's lowest common denominator I guess.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

46. +50

:spray: :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[msallied]

27. Your name helps complete this sentence:

Not a _______ of common sense.

[msallied]

28. dupe post

[timzi]

30. The Sane Among Us Have Already Ignored....

the hateful, twit-brained, tea-party-shout-down-like attacks on Dennis Kucinich
posted in this thread. Those posts are too ignorant to deal with.

There is good reason to suspect Obama's ability to lead based on his lack of
performance on health care. The House bill is corporate welfare health care.
It is not yet a done deal, some are still expressing hope. That seems fanciful,
you can't accept all of those poison pills and then expect to reverse the damage.
Dennis was right to vote against it IMO. We progressives need some representation.
Yes, it has good points, but the one step forward is at the expense of two steps back.
Still it is a judgment call.

Obama's rejection of all provided options on Afghanistan is reason to hope for better
from him on on the senseless war issue. Maybe he has been talking to humane & patriotic
millionaires on that?

[dionysus]

32. well, maybe you can pressure that fugly little gnome to run against him.

that'll be fun...
:shrug:

[Akoto]

37. I'm confused. At what point in his campaign did he promise single payer? n/t

[Starbucks Anarchist]

39. Why do some single-payer advocates act like it's a betrayal from Obama?

He has never endorsed single-payer at all, as a candidate and as president. So why should it be a surprise that he's not pushing it now?

He also said withdrawal from Afghanistan and Iraq wouldn't happen this year, yet some people rail on about "This isn't change!"

[cali]

41. dang. more simple minded crap.

I expect nothing more from you.

[ncteechur]

44. Obama never said he was for single-payer, he did say he would do more in Afghanistan, and no one in

the campaign advocated hemp (not that it is bad). You're just pissed he isn't doing exactly what YOU want.

And furthermore, why would he ask rank and file Americans about Afghanistan? We do not have access to intelligence reports, we cannot talk to the generals, we do not have information to make an informed decision about Afghanistan. And just because he didn't talk to the American people first doesn't mean he will not do the right thing which may not be what you want.