Al From on C-Span says Dean supporters "never go to Church!" And,

[KoKo]

he's saying Dean supporter represent a small group of the Dem party who have anger against Daschle. He's happy that new polls show Clark narrowing Dean's lead in NH. He's now praising Newt again for being "Independent." And, he's now praising Gingrich for pushing through 5 trade agreements.

I have a real problem here. I went to a Dean Meet Up here in NC and all of the folks there went to church and they all were in their 40's - 60's is From "out to lunch?"

He's totally out of reality in this...He's making me sick. He's nothing but a Lieberman Repug Lite. I can't even report any more on this C-Span
Program which is ON NOW! C-SPAN 5:53 est.

It's a Newtie Love Fest given by a DLC LEADER. A DEMOCRATIC PARTY LEADER. I'm so ashamed that this man is even in my Dem party.

:nuke:

[mot78]

1. Go Away From!!

I don't remember US scewing up 2000 and 2002, and stop trying to taint Clark!!!

[ithacan]

2. PROOF that DLC = Repub lite

any Democrat who is publicly praising Newt Gingrich while bashing Democrats should be ashamed of himself, and should be booted from the party!!

[KittyWampus]

7. No, It's Proof Al From Is An Asshole

[Cheswick2.0]

56. Al From runs the DLC.... rancid organization that it has become

the DLC is bad news

[HFishbine]

3. Is he

all hunched over, making nervous little jokes before begining an answer, speaking meekly, not making eye contact? Tell me he's not.

[KoKo]

15. He's sweating and stammering with eyes looking down as he praises Newt

and trashes the rest of us Democrats for our "anti-Nafta" and "anti-Iraq Invasion Sympathies." Sympathies is what he calls it. As if we are Communists from the Cold War. This man is a DISGRACE!!! He looks and talks like a Repug. He's GARBAGE!

[HFishbine]

22. I usually try very hard to stick to arguments of

values, process, or policy, but about Al From, all I can say is that he is truley repugnant.

[madrchsod]

4. c-span

you must be one of the two viewers they have on sat. afternoon. c-span isn`t worth watching anymore-to many whores

[KoKo]

19. This was on C-Span following Robert Byrd Tribute for Winning History

Award. The contrast was startling. I think C=Span does an excellent job, although I'm not fond of their "Washington Journal" their Book Notes and other programming does give info about Dem happenings one doesn't find on the Whore Cables.

[farmbo]

5. If it wasn't for Ross Perot, he'd still be selling insurance.

eom

[Lydia Leftcoast]

6. I'm not a Dean supporter, but

one of the biggest local organizers is in my church choir.

:crazy:

[KoKo]

20. Well, From doesn't really go to "church" does he. How would he know which

Dean supporters go to church and which don't. :-(

[sandnsea]

8. This will help Dean

Any time one of these goofballs says this kind of way out stuff, it helps Dean. You'd think they'd learn. Could we please try to remember that it's more likely the DLC & Clintons are backing Clark, not Kerry?

[RogueTrooper]

11. It certainly will

and we like his praise his Clark too.

:evilgrin:

[sandnsea]

14. Yeah, that flier was all praise

Must have forgotten about that.

All I'm saying is that for months Kerry has been beat up whenever From and the DLC has said something stupid. They aren't behind Kerry, they're behind Clark so direct any DLC attacks appropriately, that's all.

[jonnyblitz]

17. I always assumed Clark would be their man. n/t

[KoKo]

21. S&S, I got the impression that DLC is supporting Clark from From's

oppening statements, but he also mentioned Lieberman. I don't want to get into a "flame fest" on this. I was angry about how he trashed Dean supporters...so I'm trying to focus on that.

[jonnyblitz]

26. he is probably ABD

But if it gets down to Dean and Clark we know who they will go for..

[Cheswick2.0]

60. no doubt he is ABD

Dean wins and it takes away their power. They won't have made him and they are instantly irrelevant. Scumbags

[IndianaGreen]

24. I agree that Al From, and his clone Evan Bayh, are part of the problem

and if you are right about From attacking Kerry, then that would make Kerry alright by me.

[sandnsea]

25. They aren't supporting him

That's my point. They're supporting Clark. Just making the point clear for the anti-DLCers.

[IndianaGreen]

29. What does Clark have to say about Al From's views?

I think that would be a legitimate issue. Anyone knows?

[sandnsea]

40. Who knows?

I've been pretty big on Clark because I thought with his southern thing and his military credentials, he could beat Bush quite handily. I also thought he was running because he was genuinely disturbed about the direction Bush was headed and was a patriot to the country at heart. But we really don't know what he thinks about much of anything. I want to know what he actually said about Reaganomics during the Reagan years. I want to know what he thinks and thought about the proxy wars. There's alot I want to know about Clark and I don't want to find out too late.

[Lars39]

9. I heard him for the first time on the radio a few weeks ago.

He is not a Democrat, and has obviously stopped pretending. Anybody that still supports/defends the DLC is deluded.

[AnnabelLee]

10. From is making no bones about whose side he is on--

& it ain't ours!:mad:

[PROGRESSIVE1]

12. DLC Swine!!!! According to Al From.....

if we do not go to church somehow we are not moral.

Bullshit!

Down with the DLC!!!

:puke:
:puke:
:puke:

[KoKo]

13. AND! He just accused me....a lifelong Dem of being a "NEO ISOLATIONIST!"

Oh man.....I'm so pissed over this pig. He looks like a Repug and talks like a Repug. I've been very neutral on DU....I've not gotten involved much in the Candidate Wars.

I'm a Dean/Kucinich....after Kerry "imploded himself" and NOW I'M FULL STEAM FOR DEAN! I'm giving him another donation on his website tonight.

This is it! ITS WAR FOR THE DEM PARTY! AL FROM has Convinced me.

Sorry for the shouting and screaming. I knew From was bad....but this is abominable. There's no excuse for this man praising Newt and trashing Dean and Me.

I am a Church Going DU'er who's not a kid for Dean. From has ignored who I am and the others who are so frustrated with our Party. He trashed George McGovern and called me a "Neo-Isolationist" because I didn't support the Chimp in IRAQ, FGS! What the Hell is this? He even trashed Roosevelt's memory saying Roosevelt saw the "deficiencies of the Democratic Party and favored a "strong Military Build Up."

Hey, Mr. From...Roosevelt held off on WWII because he was "cautious" about involving America in a European War! And I don't wan't to hear any RW Garbage about Roosevelt Letting Pearl Harbor Happen on Purpose.
That RW TRASH is nothing more than DISINFORMATION!

[mopinko]

16. ack now newt

is insisting that is dean does not get the nomination, he will feel "morally compelled" to be the green party candidate.

[lancdem]

30. Yeah, right

:eyes:

[poskonig]

18. We really need new leadership. Go Dean.

:kick:

[hedda_foil]

23. Did you hear Newtie praising Al about their "idea lunches"????

and Al praising Newt for his leadership?

These two are both about the same two things. Business and power. They're on the same side with minor differences ... very minor.

[Cha]

27. I've thought al from was permanently "out to

Lunch" for ages now. Don't see any signs of him coming back.

edit~ spellling

[jburton]

28. Tell me he said "Volvo driving" too!!! n/t

[madison]

31. Al From is ignorant of the Bible and the Constitution

Apparently Al From has never heard about the Constitution of the United States, or believes the ONLY mention of religion is in the First Amendment.

But he would be wrong.

A little known and oft forgotten paragraph in Article VI, Sec. 3 of the Constitution states:

"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."

Let's go over that again:

"NO religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."

Clearly, the framers of the Constitution intended to keep any religious test OUT of our governmental process.

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

As for what Jesus had to say:

Matthew 6:5-8

5. And when thou shalt pray, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites: for they are wont to pray standing in the synagogues, and in corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Verily I say to you, that they have their reward. 6. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and, having shut thy door, pray to thy Father who is in secret: and thy Father, who seeth secret, shall reward thee openly. 7. But praying, use not vain repetitions, as the Heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard on account of their speaking much. 8. Be not you, therefore, like them: for your Father knoweth what things ye need, before ye ask him.

[joanski01]

32. I haven't seen any discussion

about this Crossfire episode, but one day in the last week or so, I saw Jim Moran (D. VA) on defending Dean, and another guy was on defending another candidate. Paul Begala said to Moran: You are a member of the DLC and you are supporting Dean. What can you tell us about that? Moran answered that when Dean gets the nomination, he will move to the Center and he will adopt some of the DLC policies and they will be one happy family again.

Did anyone else see that episode of Crossfire?

[cosmicdot]

33. I wouldn't call him a 'Democratic Party Leader'

he'd have to show me a list of his Party credentials from the precinct up over a long period of time - what county in what state has he ever served as Party chair?

I had a relative who served as county chair for over 25 years.

I wish we had Democratic Party Leadership which would establish management re those who speak on our behalf

[KoKo]

41. He wrote the book for the DLC it was as if he was the Dem PNAC from

what I've gathered since I've been on DU and become a Radical to the Left of the DLC. He's their Major Operative and Guru for thought. Then throw in "McAuliff the Money Raiser" and you've got the deal, I think!

Disgusting is too good a word for them. :puke: (Sorry, I'm really worked up tonight over seeing this piece of work....saying he's representing the Dem Party.)

[stickdog]

34. I need to go to Church. Somebody has to pray for the soul of the

Democratic party.

[KoKo]

47. Thanks for the "levity!" Those of us who are churchgoers need to defy From

and send our prayers out there that we are saved from the From/Newties of the world. :eyes: the nerve of that jerk to speak for those of us who go to church.

[slinkerwink]

35. fuck al from!

[mouse7]

67. No... Fuck Al From AND the elephant he rode in on. n/t

[pasadenaboy]

36. I go to church twice a week

and I'm a deaniac!

[dave29]

37. I don't go to Church

but I've been known to attend synagogue from time to time.

The times I feel most spiritual though are when I am doing something to oppose Al From.

[MoonRiver]

38. This religion business is getting way out of control.

No candidate should have to explain why he/she goes to church, synagogue, etc., or just sleeps late on the weekend. I can't believe how low this country has sunk.
x(

[KoKo]

39. I'm telling you when From said that, I almost had a stroke! Sounded

like some "RW Fundie!" And.....My QUOTE WAS EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID! I'm good at typing and posting while I listen. He said just what I said. He started off with it. I was so offended I cannot tell you.

He's now Jerry Falwell saying Dean has "non-Christian" supporters? Those folks who don't go to church? Is From a Christian, anyway. What church does he go to and what did he base his statement on? That was as offensive as his statement. I don't know what religion he is but he paints me with some brush as a Dean/Kucinich supporter? (he addressed his comments to Dean supporters...I'm just telling you where my loyalty was).

What gives him the right to place value judgements on whether Dean supporters "attend Church" or not? And, he never sighted a poll that Dean supporters were atheists or agnostics or pagans, wiccans, astrologers or whatever. He just threw the comment out to trash us and then moved on to more atrocities like calling me a "Neo Isolationist!" because I didn't support Iraq Invasion.
:grr: :grr: :grr: :nuke:
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[BootinUp]

45. Geebus you're being a little alarmist

First off, he wasn't talking about you. He apparently has some poll data that indicates a good number of people that support Dean do not regularly attend Church. Maybe his choice of words wasn't the best, I'll admit.

[ShimokitaJer]

42. Here's an SAT style relation quiz: AL FROM is to DEMOCRATIC PARTY as...

a) PNAC is to REPUBLICAN PARTY
b) BAD APPLE is to BUNCH
c) YOKO ONO is to BEATLES
d) NEDRA PICKLER is to AP

Anyone care to make a guess? Don't worry about getting the answer right, folks, all that's at stake here is the future of the Democratic Party.

[KoKo]

43. LOL's thanks....it's a good one!

:D

[mouse7]

68. Don't link Al From to Yoko Ono

She doesn't deserve that.

[quaker bill]

44. I attend meeting every week

and have for 18 years.

I never once considered Daschle when considering my candidate choice, mostly because Daschle is not running.

Further, I drive a jeep, like my coffee black, have no piercings or tatoos, and have a professional career. I am not angry. Of the hundred+ Dean supporters I have met, none are angry. But all are convinced Bush* must go.

Could we please fire this guy?

[BootinUp]

46. The video is on-line

I just watched about an hour of it. Al From didn't say anything all that alarming. If people here can't listen to him and at least take something from what he says in a positive light, then I am worried about our party. I am a hardcore democrat so please don't call me a freeper.

here's the link:
http://www.c-span.org/search/basic.asp?ResultStart=1&ResultCount=10&BasicQueryText=Al+From&image1.x=23&image1.y=2

it should be the top video.

[ulysses]

48. please tell

what kind of "positive light" I'm supposed to take from this kind of ad hominem statement from From?

[BootinUp]

51. He was talking about poll data

And he broad brushed it when he shouldn't have. But based on his statement I would say the data must have shown something like a significant connection between Dean supporters and not regularly attending church.

The positive stuff he talked about was how we can beat Bush. I personally think we should give him a listen. You might agree or disagree. But he's just an analyst and consultant not satan's f'in offspring!

[ulysses]

53. broadbrush, hell - why is it even an issue?

What's his point? That Dean supporters are immoral? (After all, we all know that people who don't go to church are immoral. :eyes:) Why did he bring it up?

[BootinUp]

59. 67% of the people in ther red states

want a very religious man as president. If your studying demographics of US politics, you're going to probably mention religion these days.

But like I said, let's blame this guy for our problems, its so fuckin easy.

[maxanne]

71. so

we shouldn't hold him accountable for what he says?

[AnnabelLee]

54. He's not just an analyst & consultant

He's founder & CEO of the DLC...he's putting himself out there as a leader of the Democratic Party. His kind of leadership we don't need; it's what gave us the failed election strategies of 2000 & 2002.

[BootinUp]

55. Well, if you want to forget '92 and '96 go right ahead

2000 was much more a failed candidate than anything else. And 2002 was effected by the war on terra, the DU crowd (including me) is not exactly in sync with the country on that.

But go ahead and blame From. whatever you gotta have someone to blame. Shit lets lynch the fucker. I'm sick of this shit too!

[AnnabelLee]

61. I'm not suggesting lynching him

And I'm looking at recent history, not '92 & '96. IMO, From is all for continuing with the demonstrably failed strategy of "I support George Bush's policies, vote for me". From is not interested in taking back the White House & saving Democracy in this country--he's interested in keeping himself & his friends in power positions in the Party.

[BootinUp]

63. Ridiculous

He is interested in the Democratic party regaining congress and the presidency. He *thinks* he has a strategy for that. Interestingly, other than rhetoric, I bet you can't show me much in Dean's policies that is different than what From would recommend.

And don't bring up the Iraq situation unless Dean's policies going forward differs from the DLC.

[AnnabelLee]

65. We will have to agree to disagree n/t

[edzontar]

66. You forgot to mention, though, that From is

An asshole.

He is also hurtng your guy with his stupid remarks.

I am an atheist and don't care WHAT a candidate's "faith" is...do you think Bush worships any other gods but power, greed, and ignorance?

From is a Puke in Dem's clothing..he is to be despised and shunned.

[mouse7]

70. Many issues DLC & Dean, Clark, Gephardt, and Kerry diverge

Anyone who wants to just "Be like Bill" widely diverges from Al From now. From has taken a hard right hand turn. From has basically become a puppet of the neo-cons.

[KoKo]

69. Gore was not a "failed candidate." It's was From and DLC'ers who didn't

fight for our party in Florida and allowed Gore to be trashed by the media with no defence during the campaign. Everything that was thrown at Gore from clothing to style was not defended on the cables or in print by the Party sending out big guns to defend him. And, that's before the Media's became Complete Whores, so there was a chance that the Party could have put operatives out on the Cables to trash the Coulter's and Tweety's and the rest of them.

Most of us didn't know how bad From and the rest were until we went through that stolen election and then the Mid-terms and IWR. Once we knew that the "enemy" was within we have tried to find another way of energizing ourselves and the grass roots since our Party didn't seem to give a damn about anything but the lobbyists and rubber stamping Bush's every appointment and program.

[Eric J in MN]

62. When Richard Nixon asked for a count of

When Richard Nixon asked for a count of how many Jews were in his administration, that was gathering statistics, too.

Statistics shouldn't be used to divide people based on religon or church-attendance.

[BootinUp]

64. Dean realizes the same thing don't you think

The guy was reporting the facts. Politicians will use the information to adjust their message. I agree we do not want to divide people. I also agree that From was insensitive to Dean supporters the way he reported it. Probably why he is not a politician.

[KoKo]

49. Excuse Me? Did they scrub the video or are you saying I can't transcribe

correctly, or that maybe I shouldn't have an opinion when I'm told if I support Dean then I'm obviously not a Churchgoer, or that because I supported Afghanistan but not Iraq Invasion, that I'm a "Neo-Isolationist," or that because I was AGAINST NAFTA GATT that I'm some kind of anti-business Socialist?

This is what From said. I transcribed it from what he said. I urge those who want to hear it to listen to the video or get a transcript. Unless it was "scrubbed" which I doubt, I think those who listen will hear what I said. Whether they will be as offended as I am depends on where on the Dem spectrum they fall. But I refuse to be alienated from the party I've voted for and worked for all my life by this man (From) who wants me to leave from my hearing of his attacks on me.

And, yes....I had reason to see it as an attack on the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party. Dean was Correct! He really got it when he said that. It wasn't just a campaign slogan.

Kerry supporters should be as upset as I was, too. He attacked them, also.

[BootinUp]

52. Your going a bit over the top IMHO

He analyzed some poll data and then clumsily reported it. I can see where you could be offended, but he ain't satan's son for chrissake.

[JPZenger]

50. Closing Tax Loopholes

Here is a link to Wesley Clark's new plan to close loopholes in the current tax code. The linked page also includes another link at the bottom for more details. The goal is to generate revenue that can be used for additional middle class tax relief.

http://www.clark04.com/story/70/

[Zero Division]

57. Al From is a part of the problem with our party.

Any significant figure in the Democratic Party who wants to alienate large swaths of Democrats, no matter which side of the political spectrum they're on, is a problem. Who is this guy to think that the vast majority of Democrats are people who think like him and dismiss everyone else as "elitists out of touch with Americans"?

Although I certainly don't want the more conservative Democrats dictating the nation-wide party platform, I also don't want to throw Democrats who are more moderate than me out of the party.

We desperately need some leadership that can unify both reasonable sides (example of unreasonable: Zell Miller) of the Democratic Party.

The only reason some people who hold views similar to Al From seem to be cheering on Clark is b/c of their over-the-top opposition to Dean and the fact that Clark seems to be in the best position to overtake Dean in the primaries. Lieberman has always been the real epitome of an Al From-favored Democrat.

[Eric J in MN]

58. It's a free and secular country. It's none of Al From's business

It's a free and secular country. It's none of Al From's business if Dean supporters go to church more or less often than him.

I'm sure some Dean supporters go to church more often than Al From and other Dean supporters go less often than Al From, but there is no religous-test for political participation in a free country.

It is shameful that he is trying to begin such a test.