Salon.Com hands Tweety & Co. their ass!

[Shopaholic]

Read entire column here (if you're not a registered member they'll make you sit through a "commercial" first): http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/10/06/veepmedia/index.html

Some Excerpts:

So what debate was the crew at MSNBC watching Tuesday night? Following the vice-presidential faceoff, which most observers declared a draw. . . the MSNBC team of pundits. . immediately declared the debate a knockout for Cheney. The Cheney group hug began before Edwards had even exited the debate stage in Cleveland. . . while host Matthews skewered Edwards in a strangely personal way, reminiscent of the way Matthews hounded President Bill Clinton throughout the impeachment process.

Yet nowhere else on the television landscape -- not even on Fox News -- was Cheney crowned the winner. Most pundits saw the debate as an obvious draw. . .None of that seemed to matter inside the MSNBC echo chamber. Matthews and his crew had their story line -- Cheney won big! -- and they were sticking with it, with Matthews even wondering out loud if the choice of Edwards for V.P. "casts doubt on the judgment of John Kerry," and whether Edwards may "not be ready to be vice president of the United States." Which again raises the question: What debate was Matthews watching, and what did Edwards ever do to him?

[terrya]

1. Not surprised at Tweety and Andrea Mitchell. But I am with Ron Reagan.

I sort of thought Ron Reagan had a shred of spine and independent thought. But, lo and behold...Ron was shilling with the rest of the panel. Sort of sad, I thought.

[dennis4868]

10. After the Kerry/Bush debate.....

Ron said that he was not sure who won the debate.....hahaha....it is like he is gun shy on TV to say how he really feels....he writes beautifully about how Bush is a disaster but on TV he is scared to show his objective side....

[PROGRESSIVE1]

2. MSGOP strikes again!

[NewJeffCT]

3. shockingly-even Candy Crowley of CNN said Edwards came off as Presidential

That made my draw drop last night... and, when they brought up fact checking, their only comment was Bill Schneider saying that Edwards was correct when 88.5% of the coalition casualties were US soldiers.

[Supersedeas]

6. Shocking that she would admit it but true nonetheless

[LuminousX]

4. They were caught up by the old debate trick

Cheney used too many times last night:

There are so many inaccuracies in what my opponent has said that I don't have time to address them all and in fact, I don't even know where to start. Oops, I used up all my time saying this preamble, but just so the viewers know, what he said is all bullshit and if I had more time I would explain why it was bullshit, but because I don't have the time and I have used up all the time with this preamble to my answer, I can't even lay out the evidence to prove that even one thing my opponent has said is wrong. Just trust me, it was all bullshit.

[redqueen]

5. Sorry, but I don't see how that could possibly be effective.

At least not on anyone with an IQ above 100.

I just about coughed up a lung when he did that. He doesn't have time to answer any charges, so his plan is to sit there with a stupid smirk on his face and waste a few moments more.

[spooky3]

8. That must mean that a lot of pundits have IQs less than 100.

Because it certainly seemed to fool them.

[redqueen]

11. Or they like those nice fat paychecks

so they'll keep playing the shill for the fatcats. Remember Donahue?

[displacedtexan]

7. Yep. That's how it's done. And if that doesn't take up all of the time...

go into a lament of you opponent's mischaracterization of the metaphysicality of today's debate and how your opponent doesn't have the depth of experience rooted in thoughtful study of the issues which are first and foremost crucial to our very survival; then shake your head and lament the short time period problem again.

[debatepro]

9. Advertiser question

If anyone has a tape of the nonsense. Could they find out which comersials were displayed and what the name of the companies are. If mathews won't change we can email there advertizers and tell them we will not use there products because of his bias. Probably much more effective than emailing him.