Here is just one reason I asked about the Soros support for Dean.

[madfloridian]

From November:
http://wesleyclarkweblog.com/archives/000565.html#008651

SNIP..."Bush can spend more money, but with the "I approve of this message" having to be on the ads, it means he probably won't be running too many smears. Those will be done by outside groups that aren't in conjunction with the campaign.
Soros will be picking up that bill. And he is a friend of a certain man from litle rock running for president.

I just found several more indicating that he never has actually supported any candidate, but has donated to all. Soros and Clark have had a mutual respect from the beginning.

If someone can point to where Dean was ever endorsed by him to begin with, I would appreciate it. Soros has donated to the Democratic party big time, and to groups as well.

If he never endorsed Dean, how can he unendorse him.? And when did Novak and Town Hall get such credibility? I have seen this 3 times today,and I am just responding.
:shrug:

[slinkerwink]

1. kick

[Padraig18]

2. Excellent questions, a a resounding silence in terms of answers, I note.

:shrug:

[madfloridian]

7. I always get a resounding silence.

:shrug:

[Tatiana]

3. Well, he raised $115,000 for Dean.

Maybe that's why people assumed Soros liked him best.

From the WaPo:

NEW YORK -- George Soros, one of the world's richest men, has given away nearly $5 billion to promote democracy in the former Soviet bloc, Africa and Asia. Now he has a new project: defeating President Bush.

<snip>

Soros will continue to recruit wealthy donors for his campaign. Having put a lot of money into the war of ideas around the world, he has learned that "money buys talent; you can advocate more effectively."

At his home in Westchester, N.Y., he raised $115,000 for Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean. He also supports Democratic presidential contenders Sen. John F. Kerry (Mass.), retired Gen. Wesley K. Clark and Rep. Richard A. Gephardt (Mo.).

(more...)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A24179-2003Nov10?language=printer

Looks like he supports other candidates, but he's raised $$$ in his own home for Dean. So that's probably why there was the assumption that he believed Dean should/would be the Dem nominee.

[madfloridian]

4. Then let's find out who else he donated to.

He also supports Democratic presidential contenders Sen. John F. Kerry (Mass.), retired Gen. Wesley K. Clark and Rep. Richard A. Gephardt (Mo.).

[Tatiana]

8. Has he raised money for them?

I don't know. I just know it's been stated that he raised over $100,000 for Dean. Now if he raised $100,000 for Clark and $100,000 for Gep, then we can assume he had no preference for Dean over the others.

[madfloridian]

9. I think there is a site to look it all up.

He is benefitting all Democrats, not just Dean. He had many connections to Clark in the business world, so they are friends.

[Tatiana]

11. Well, this is what I found:

SOROS, GEORGE
NEW YORK,NY 10106
SOROS FUND MANAGEMENT/BUSINESS EXEC
6/2/2003
$2,000
Graham, Bob

SOROS, GEORGE
NEW YORK,NY 10106
SOROS FUND MANAGEMENT/BUSINESS EXEC
7/21/2003
$2,000
Lantos, Tom

SOROS, GEORGE
NEW YORK,NY 10106
SOROS FUNDS MANAGEMENT/INVESTOR
3/31/2003
$2,000
Kerry, John

SOROS, ROBERT
NEW YORK,NY 10019
SOROS FUND MANAGEMENT LLC/EXECUTIVE
6/30/2003
$2,000
Kerry, John

SOROS, SUSAN
NEW YORK,NY 10106
THE BARD GRADUATE CENTER/DIRECTOR
7/21/2003
$2,000
Lantos, Tom

SOROS, SUSAN W
NEW YORK,NY 10019
BARD GRADUATE CENTER/DIRECTOR
3/31/2003
$2,000
Kerry, John

SOROS, GEORGE
NEW YORK,NY 10011
SOROS FUNDS MANAGEMENT
9/25/2003
$1,500
Daschle, Tom

SOROS, GEORGE
NEW YORK,NY 10011
SOROS FUNDS MANAGEMENT
9/25/2003
$1,500
Daschle, Tom

SOROS, GEORGE
NEW YORK,NY 10028
SOROS FUND MANAGEMENT
8/26/2003
$1,250
Clinton, Hillary Rodham

SOROS, CATHARINE
LOS ANGELES,CA 90046
NOT EMPLOYED/HOMEMAKER
9/15/2003
$1,000
Dean, Howard

SOROS, GEORGE
NEW YORK,NY 10106
SOROS FUND MANAGEMENT/BUSINESS EXEC
3/24/2003
$1,000
Dean, Howard

SOROS, JEFFREY
LOS ANGELES,CA 90046
SELF EMPLOYED/WRITER
9/16/2003
$1,000
Dean, Howard

SOROS, ROBERT
NEW YORK,NY 10014
5/13/2003
$1,000
Dean, Howard

SOROS, SUSAN WEBER
NEW YORK,NY 10106
THE BARD CENTER/DIRECTOR
3/24/2003
$1,000
Dean, Howard

http://www.opensecrets.org/indivs/search.asp?txtName=Soros+&NumOfThou=0&txt2004=Y&submit=Go%21

I don't see Clark anywhere???????

[madfloridian]

13. I don't see $115,000 for Dean either.

.

[Tatiana]

16. Once more, with feeling.

"At his home in Westchester, N.Y., he raised $115,000 for Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean."

Where does it say he has done something similar for other candidates?

[madfloridian]

19. Here.

http://progressivetrail.org/articles/031207Editorial.shtml

To the anger of Republicans, he has also injected large amounts of money into organisations that are deeply involved in the election battle against Bush.

Soros said he had made only "relatively modest contributions" to the Democrats in previous elections.

He has held functions at his New York state home in support of a number of Democratic party candidates, including Howard Dean, John Kerry, Wesley Clark and Richard Gephardt.

But more importantly he has spent 15 million dollars to help activist groups fighting the US president.

Soros gave 10 million dollars to America Coming Together, which campaigns to increase the number of people taking part in elections and 2.5 million dollars to Moveon.org, a mass grass-roots organisation that has opposed the Iraq war and many other Bush policies...."

[Tatiana]

22. Thanks!

:)

[neuvocat]

5. The Wall Street Journal

For what its worth:

"On this point, we'd note how cleverly Dr. Dean has described his decision to give up federal matching funds as a "declaration of independence from special interests." But if he wins the nomination, he'll be the main beneficiary of the Soros-Ickes soft money spending barrage."


http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110004282

[madfloridian]

6. So will any candidate!

That is my point.

[neuvocat]

10. Your point is what?

That Soros' money led to Dean's decision to forego public funding?

Your point is that Dean's decision really wasn't influenced by the campaign contributions of his grass-roots supporters?

[madfloridian]

12. 3 threads today said Soros unendorsed Dean for Clark.

I was simply asking for proof that he ever supported Dean over the others.

I am 100% for Dean, and we have donated a lot to him. Yes, I do believe his grassroots make a big difference.

We can't beat Bush on grassroots alone, though. He has the media behind him.

I just did not think 3 threads about something Novak (who outed Plame)said on Townhall (a favorite Coulter hang-out) should be taken at face value. That used to not happen here.

I am willing to be proved wrong if someone can tell me he endorsed Dean to begin with over the others.

[neuvocat]

14. He gave 5 million to moveon

specifically so that it could be made to Dean's campaign.

Why did you even post this question here? You could have looked that up just like I did (the Wall Street journal link is not the only one I came across that was relevant).

Next time read the articles and if you're skeptical then look for verification.

And while I am at it, I'll point out that your post makes this at least the fourth thread talking about the same thing. Try to be considerate of others and don't be so vague.

[madfloridian]

17. You mean the 5 million he gave to MoveOn was just for Dean?

I did not know that. Do you have a link? I thought it was to beat Bush.

[madfloridian]

21. I think you should back up your statement about MoveOn.

This article seems to refute that.
http://progressivetrail.org/articles/031207Editorial.shtml

I think you should back down from the statement that MoveOn was giving the 5 million to Dean or prove it. I really do.

I posted my question for the same reason the others did. I did it deliberately, to make a point about the kind of things that are going on and should not be.

Posting the same thing over and over to make a point. This time the point was apparently wrong. I wanted to make a point of that.

[Tatiana]

15. I'm not sure anyone thought Soros had "endorsed" Dean.

At least, I didn't. He hasn't endorsed anyone. It was just the fact that Soros seemed to be leaning towards supporting Dean and now something has caused him to change his mind, that people are finding interesting. It's always been said that Soros didn't endorse Dean, so I don't know where that idea is coming from.

Dean is certainly energising Bush's enemies. He taps into their anger in his personal appearances and over the internet where his formidable electronic network has raised more money than any of his rivals. His extraordinary success led him to announce this week that he would become the first Democrat to opt out of public financing, allowing him to compete with Bush, who is aiming to raise $US200 million ($277 million) for the 2004 presidential campaign.

But Dean gets a lot of help from the President. Bush ignites a passionate reaction not only around the world but at home, from union workers to wealthy businessmen like George Soros. "America under Bush is a danger to the world," the Hungarian-born financier who lived through World War II told The Washington Post this week. "When I hear Bush say, 'You're either with us or against us', it reminds me of the Germans."

Recently Soros held a fundraising dinner for Howard Dean at his Westchester home. While he has yet to endorse Dean or any single Democratic candidate, he has donated more than $US15.5 million to organisations working to defeat the President in next year's election.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/11/14/1068674378810.html

<snip>

Dean also stopped at a $1,000-a-plate fundraiser at a tony athletic club with munchies and confections galore — and his first real bonafide heckler, according to Dean's longtime aide, Kate O'Connor.

About 10 minutes into the health care forum, a young man at the edge of the crowd stood up.

"Why do you support HMOs … why do you take … money from George Soros?" he yelled. Audience members began to try and shush him, but the man persisted. After about 15 seconds, a Dean staffer began to pull the man out of the room. The man shouted the same questions and then muttered, "This country is bankrupt."

http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:aaNUj3qAjo4J:abcnews.go.com/sections/Politics/DailyNews/fielddean-16.html+%22George+Soros%22+Howard+Dean+endorse+Seattle&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

[madfloridian]

18. This article says he held fundraisers for several candidates. Clark also.

http://progressivetrail.org/articles/031207Editorial.shtml

SNIP..."To the anger of Republicans, he has also injected large amounts of money into organisations that are deeply involved in the election battle against Bush.

Soros said he had made only "relatively modest contributions" to the Democrats in previous elections.

He has held functions at his New York state home in support of a number of Democratic party candidates, including Howard Dean, John Kerry, Wesley Clark and Richard Gephardt.

But more importantly he has spent 15 million dollars to help activist groups fighting the US president.

Soros gave 10 million dollars to America Coming Together, which campaigns to increase the number of people taking part in elections and 2.5 million dollars to Moveon.org, a mass grass-roots organisation that has opposed the Iraq war and many other Bush policies....."END SNIP

The article further states that the money to groups is to fight Bush. NOT for a specific candidate.

[HFishbine]

20. Rules Violation?

I suspect this post violates this rule:

6. You may not start a new discussion thread in order to continue a current or recent flame war from another thread. The moderators have the authority to lock threads in order to contain flaming on a particular topic to only one thread at a time.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=9196&mesg_id=9196

and

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=9763

[w13rd0]

23. Soros has gobs of money...

...and he's choosing to use it to unseat Bush...AND PEOPLE HERE ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT IT? OMFG. And Novak on Townhall is being repeated in here verbatim because it supports their candidate partisanship? This is ridiculous.

[Tinoire]

24. Soros has never wanted anyone but Clark

Clark is the ONLY reaons he's wanting to pump even a single dime into the Democratic election process. What Soros wants to do with 'democracy & democratic elections' here is precisely what he did in Eastern Europe- the current example being Russia.

Right now a huge squabble is brewing between Carlyle and Russia (oh yeah, Soros is Carlyle). Putin closed down Soros' offices and threw Soros best friend mafia oil don in jail. For more info on this just do a DU search on Soros Russia in LBN and GD- not to forget the archives.

Clark supporters would like people to believe that Soros, another neo-liberal (the important part of that designation is the word neo) has suddenly had a huge change of heart and wants to do some good with his ill-gotten goods. If Soros wants to do any 'good', he can start by returning the Trepca mines to the people of Yugoslavia, returning all that land in South America, get his paid $1 million puppet Alejandro Toledo out of Peru, stop using his organizations like Reagan's NED and his other 'destabilization foundations" to overturn people like Hugo Chavez who just want to keep their countries natural resources for their people. Soros' entire MO is to destabilize countries and then to swoop in being their resources for rock-bottom bargain-basement prices. Bush clumsily gave away their game- that is the only reason Soros wants to invest money in the Democratic Party. He and his Carlye buddies need to ensure that all bases are covered and that regardless of who is President, the plundering of world resources can continue.

Soros' Center for American Progress" (CAP), is a new "think tank" run by New Dems like John Podesta (kingpin behind the Marc Rich pardon), Morton Halperin, and Gene Sperling.

Podesta is DLC through and through. Halperin is the Director of Soros' Open Society Institute in Washington (another neo-con operation), and Sperling we just can thank him for the massive deficits in most of the US states.

These people have never been behind Dean because Dean is not part of their cabal. Dean is NO God in my book but he's definitely not a neo-con sympathizer. I don't think he's as astute as Kucinich about the neo-con game and blah, blah, lots more ;) but he's definitely not signed on to their agenda even if some of his stances agree at times.

Has anyone ever wondered why that Osama/Dean ad was produced by the Clinton's campaign Media Director or why certain Clark groups have already been caught red-handed sending out faces and e-mails to discredit Dean as not being enough of whatever the General is? (Talking points change daily but the common ones are national security and foreign policy- as if waging war and littering another sovereign country with depleted uranium is considered foreign policy experience). Gore is no huge hero of mine but there is a reason he rushed out to endorse Dean and I forgive him for meddling that way because the stakes are too huge.

I hate, do not want to say, "I tried to tell you" but I called this one from the start- the minute Clark entered this race. Soros and him go way back and sit on the boards of many neo-connish organizations. Soros needs a candidate who shares his philosophy of destabilizing to ensure capitalistic exploitation. A candidate whose already on board and with experience would be nice- that candidate is not Dean and it is certainly not Kucinich.

We are being played.

[Moderator]

25. Consolidating threads............

Please continue the discussion here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=9763

Thank you for understanding.


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