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Is It Fascism Yet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 11:18 AM
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I voted, but I feel sure it wasn't counted. Let's recall the SOS
Really, I don't believe they ever counted the votes in AZ, especially the mail votes. They announced our state whent Shrub 2 weeks before they counted the mail votes, and then they just made sure the count matched their desired result. I called the Secretary of Stateeveryday for 10 days to ask her if the mail votes had been counted yet, and all I got was her secretary saying, "no, the mail votes have not been counted yet...I will give your message to (Her Highness) The Secretary. I am thinking seriously about recalling Jan Brewer. The forms to do so are all on her website, just waiting to have her name filled in. What do you folks think? The basis of the recall is her failure to count the votes before announcing to the media, and the campaigns, that Shrub had AZ, therefore encouraging events like concessions. And, I am still not convinced the votes were ever counted, I think they announce what they want and then make sure the votes conform. I think it's impeachable, or at the very least, recallable. The referendum petitions page is very interesting on the SOS website and very sad. There lying fallow are many fine but squandered initiatives. They are all dead from old age and too few signatures. I can hardly resist recalling Brewer for her failure to provide AZ with fair elections, and her hautiness in thinking returning phone calls to her constituency is beneath her. The way I remember it, the number of signatures required is right around the same figure as the speed of light, 186,000...is that a coincidence? Or an omen? You can't travel faster than the speed of light, or collect enough signatures in AZ! Would anyone here help me get signatures?
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joni in ok Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 11:21 AM
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1. SOS involves AP investigation!
This is What Is the truth in my estimation...The AP needs to be audited, in EVERY state, by a citizen led, AP Associate members, which is anyone from Any publication which runs AP stories, They need to Demand a copy of the County by County End of the Night totals and it needs to be compared with the County by County Final, Official Results.
It is my distinct impression that the AP stringers*the people hired by the AP to call in the numbers are genuine...the end of the night tallies May or may not be Genuine...the Final numbers? I doubt VERY much that They are Genuine.
Please put out this call to every state. I will list it in the State by State at the Democratic Underground. Try to get it up on the Daily Kos, the OK independent news network, Blah3, DFA forums,and the General Conversation as well as send this request to various lists i'm on.
joni
Your thoughts, please! Could Associated Press Rig Election?


I wonder what reaction you have to the following article as it relates to what we are learning about Oklahoma.
In Oklahoma, supposedly the AP has a representative at the election board in every county on election night --someone who stays at the election board until every vote is counted. (AP spokesperson told me this). So that is supposedly where the AP gets its unofficial Okla vote counts on election night.

As far as the official vote tallies from various Okla counties, they are sent to the state election board via telecommunication lines, not the internet. So, apparently Okla vote could not be tampered with by the AP.

Since the AP is apparently not reliable in its reports here in Okla, however, (see separate emails about AP stonewalling citizen inquiries and about the strange AP "unofficial results" in presidential race in Okla, which appeared in the Tulsa World on Nov. 3), I am led to wonder how reliable the AP is anywhere and also whether it could have a role anyplace in interfering with correct vote tallying.... Your thoughts on this appreciated!

PS Does anyone know if the following statement is correct? "The Associated Press (AP) will be the sole source of raw vote totals for the major news broadcasters on Election Night."
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Could the Associated Press (AP) Rig the Election? Asks Journalist Lynn Landes




Friday October 22, 11:15 am ET PHILADELPHIA, Oct. 22 /PRNewswire/ --

The Associated Press (AP) will be the sole source of raw vote totals for the major news broadcasters on Election Night. However, AP spokesmen Jack Stokes and John Jones refused to explain to this journalist how the AP will receive that information. They refused to confirm or deny that the AP will receive direct feed from voting machines and central vote tabulating computers across the country.

But circumstantial evidence suggests that is exactly what will happen. And what can be downloaded can also be uploaded. Computer experts say that signals can travel both to and from computerized voting machines through wireless technology, modems, and even simple electricity. Computer scientists have long warned that computer voting is an invitation to vote fraud and system failure.

An examination of Diebold election software by several computer scientists, including Dr. Avi Rubin and his staff, proved that secret backdoors can be built into computer programs that allow votes to be easily manipulated without detection. ES&S, the nation's largest voting machine company that will reportedly count 50% of all votes, describe on their webpage how "accessible" their results are, "At ES&S, we know election administrators and the public want fast and accurate election results. That is why we have developed several election management system software solutions to make the reporting process easier, more reliable, and more accessible." Diebold, the second largest voting machine company, advertises a similar service. Both ES&S and Diebold have close ties to the Republican Party. But, can't the AP be trusted? Isn't it an objective non-partisan news organization? Some say no. The AP is batting for a Bush presidency.

In Online Journal, Stephen Crockett and Al Lawrence, the hosts of Democratic Talk Radio, wrote, "...the Associated Press ran a story that was widely published in newspapers and on the Internet, headlined "Bush Leads Kerry In Electoral Votes," that could have been written by the Bush campaign. The assignment of states to candidates, the headline and the conclusions were all simply wrong. The Associated Press should print a retraction and work to see that it is widely published."

And on WBAY-TV in Green Bay, Wisconsin ran an AP article reporting that Bush has won the election, weeks before the election is to take place. The AP reported, "At this hour, President Bush has won re-election as president by a 47 percent to 43 percent margin in the popular vote nationwide. Ralph Nader has 1 percent of the vote nationwide. That's with 51 percent of the precincts reporting." According to reports, the AP is now saying the article was a "test article," a never-heard-before journalistic practice.

Who is the AP? The Associated Press was founded in 1848. It is a not- for-profit news cooperative, some would say "monopoly," that rakes in about $500 million dollars a year. The AP is owned by its 1,500 U.S. daily newspaper members. Their board of directors is elected by voting "bonds." However, it is not clear who controls the bonds. AP spokespeople would not give out information on who sits on their board, however AP leadership appears quite conservative. Burl Osborne, chairman of the AP board of directors, is also publisher emeritus of the conservative The Dallas Morning News, a newspaper that endorsed George W. Bush in the last election. Kathleen Carroll, senior vice president and executive editor of AP, was a reporter at The Dallas Morning News before joining AP. Carroll is also on the Associated Press Managing Editors (APME)'s 7-member executive committee. The APME "works in partnership with AP to improve the wire service's performance," according to their website. APME vice president, Deanna Sands, is managing editor of the ultra conservative Omaha World Herald newspaper, whose parent company owns the largest voting machine company in the nation, Election Systems and Software (ES&S).

Many Americans believe that polling organizations and the broadcasters will raise the red flag on any election shenanigans. But others have their doubts. The Collier brothers, authors of the book, VoteScam: The Stealing of Democracy, wrote about vote fraud and the role the news media and polls played.

In 1970, Channel 7 in Miami projected with 100% accuracy (a virtual impossibility) the final vote totals on election day. When asked where they got their exit poll data, both Channel 3 & Channel 7 claimed that the League of Women Voters sent it in from the precincts. But, the League's local president tearfully denied it, say, "I don't want to get caught up in this thing." The broadcasters then told the Colliers that a private contractor used the data from a single voting machine to project the winners, but the contractor said he got the data from a University of Miami professor, who in turn denied this. In the end, the news broadcasters appeared to have got the polling numbers out of thin air.

One thing is clear. The air will be thick with distrust and doubt on Election Night 2004.

Source: Lynn Landes
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skylarmae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 11:23 AM
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2. I've been wondering about the military vote and the provisional
votes. We haven't heard much about the military vote and I would like to know what THEY think of all this. Have I just missed the coverage or have the stats been ignored or untallied or.......
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joni in ok Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 12:11 PM
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3. Good Question! Who has the numbers?
From all i've heard they were "not counted" more than they "were counted"
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Is It Fascism Yet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 02:47 AM
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4. well, i don't believe they were counted, and i am tired of that
tired of that not counting stuff, let's recall the SOS
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