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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 09:32 PM
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(GOP State Rep) Debbie Stafford Switches To Democratic Party
Source: AP

Debbie Stafford Switches To Democratic Party

By Steven K. Paulson, AP Writer

Saying the Republican Party no longer represents her values, GOP state Rep. Debbie Stafford of Aurora announced Thursday she is switching parties, becoming the 40th Democrat in the House of Representatives.

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"My answer was to join a party that better reflects my values and respects my contribution. I am not leaving the Republican Party as much as I believe the Republican Party left me," she said.

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Read more: http://cbs4denver.com/local/local_story_284175841.html
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 09:42 PM
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1. Most Republicans Would Be Right At Home
Hell, today's "Democrats" are far to the right of most Republicans of the past 60 years. Crap, it was a Democratic president who pioneered outsourced torture!
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 09:43 PM
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2. muckraker... Who then?
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 09:45 PM
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3. Who First Outsourced Torture?
Edited on Thu Oct-11-07 09:45 PM by MannyGoldstein
Clinton.
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 09:46 PM
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4. Prove it!
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 09:59 PM
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7. Read It And Weep
Really weep. Because it is very, very sad. Of course, most folks on DU really don't care. But, hopefully, you will.

http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2006/10/30/061030ta_talk_mayer
http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/02/14/050214fa_fact6
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:21 PM
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11. No weeping here

OK the new yorker... "Rendition was originally carried out on a limited basis, but after September 11th, when President Bush declared a global war on terrorism, the program expanded beyond recognition."

ok before bushieboy... Limited basis. I dint think this is anything necessarily new. I wouldn't place it squarely on Bill clinton. Ive read stories of episodes during the cold war... I really don't mind. The expansion part is what I have a problem with.

be careful your argument is straight out of the repukes play book. I am centrist but not conservative. I see propaganda and revile it.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:27 PM
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12. Do You Really Want To Defend Torture?
Edited on Thu Oct-11-07 10:27 PM by MannyGoldstein
Kidnapping a person from one country to send them to another country to be tortured is awful. Just awful. Utterly and totally unamerican, and uncivilized. Clinton was the first to do this.

Why on earth would you defend this practice? Do you actually think it is anything other than abominable?
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:36 PM
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13. nice trap you got there
I aint falling... no we would do better playing chess, a real woman for them, rewarding compliance. and so on. that gets results. bushy boy fails to realize torture does not work. why are you needling???
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:47 PM
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14. This Isn't A Game. It's A Simple Fact.
At least consider it a bit.
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 12:51 AM
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24. I don't give a flying
*^$@ who started it first, its wrong and it should be stopped.
So lets stop trying to play the he did it first game as a means of justifying the use of torture and stop our government from being twofaced and not torture people and that goes for the childish games of "define it" as well that I have seen going on.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 08:03 PM
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27. Sorry, but MG is right. Bill Clinton began rendition in 1995
I started a thread about that within the last two weeks, with articles and links provided.

The only difference between Clinton and Bush renditions is that in Clinton's case, he had a foreign power do the kidnapping, while Bush has the CIA do it. In both cases, the torture is done in and by another country on our behalf.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 09:58 PM
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6. The CIA?
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:20 PM
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10. go shit on an MA thread
as a resident of CO, I'll take this.
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 09:55 PM
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5. CO turns blue-er!
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NoGodsNoMasters Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:10 PM
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8. Realtively meaningless, in the scheme of things...
But it gives me a little charge nonetheless. Another one down, and now on our side, cool stuff.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:48 PM
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15. I am leery
of party changers esp if they are socially conservative. If they are going to vote with the republicans on certain matters instead of with the Dems we end up with Joe Leibermans in our party. I am glad that more republicans are opening their eyes but would rather have more progressives....
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codjh9 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:16 PM
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9. Yeehah! If only more of the Republican VOTERS would realize that this ain't the
party of Eisenhower any more, or even NIXON! And switch over. (Why would I say Nixon? Well, I believe the Clean Air Act and Clean Water Act went in when he was in office... it wasn't until Reagan that the environment became something to forget about and ridicule those weirdos for caring about it).
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minnesota_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:52 PM
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16. Dems control both chambers of the CO General Assembly
CO State House: 40 Dems vs 25 Repubs

CO State Senate: 20 Dems vs 15 Repubs
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aaronbees Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 10:56 PM
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17. One at a time ..... eom
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flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 11:26 PM
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18. Will she run for Congress next year?
Edited on Thu Oct-11-07 11:27 PM by flaminbats
I doubt she switched parties to join the majority in the state House, especially since she can't run again. Tancredo is running for President, but Stafford would have a chance of winning in the 6th district. she would also make an excellent candidate to replace Wayne Allard.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 07:25 AM
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19. Oh boy another DINO
Just what the Democrats need.
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Didereaux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 07:31 AM
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20. Another 1940-1950's Dixiecrat.....whooopeee! yeah right n/t
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 09:34 AM
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21. Funny how she changes a year out from elections.
if she really believed that the republican party left here she should have changed back in 2000 when they fucked the election.

nothing to do with party affiliation, everything to do with getting reelected.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 12:05 AM
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22. who cares why she switched now
the thing is that she switched

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Progressive Friend Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 12:43 AM
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23. Rats, sinking ship, etc.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 06:04 AM
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25. I don't care for any of these fair weather friends.
Back in the 1980s, several Democrats switched to the GOP using the same pretext that Debbie Stafford is using. The bottom line is that these politicians like to remain in office and that once they realize their party is on its way down to a major defeat, they will do anything to remain in power, including changing party affiliation.

Senators Shelby of Alabama and Nighthorse Campbell of Colorado were Democrats that switched to GOP. We don't want this sort of scum!
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 06:44 AM
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26. So you didn't care for Jim Jeffords?
True he didn't become a dem, but he firmly allied himself with the Senate dems, just as Bernie has.

And before you start blasting him, make sure you're aware of his record in the House and Senate.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 08:25 AM
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30. Ben Nelson has allied himself with Democrats as well
I would feel better if she were to declare herself an Independent. When she says she is a Democrat and then votes with the Republicans how does it make one feel? If she had integrity she would say she was an Independent.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 06:34 AM
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29. It's only one of a long list of political tricks
that help a politician stay in power.
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MetaTrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 08:11 PM
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28. So, what's her voting record?
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El Supremo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 12:52 PM
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31. Stafford has been invited to our Democrat's HD40 meetings next week.
It will be verrrry interesting. We worked so hard to unseat her and now she is supposedly one of us.

She HAS said that she will not be running for anything in the future. But who knows?
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