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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:15 PM
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Appeals board upholds Delaware's refusal of BP liquified gas delivery pier
Board backs state on gas pier
BP's claim is rejected
03/31/2005

A state appeals board on Wednesday upheld Delaware's refusal to consider a permit for a liquefied natural gas delivery pier along the Delaware River opposite Claymont.

The Coastal Zone Industrial Control Board's 6-0 vote rejected energy giant BP's claim that its $500 million project should be exempt from the state's ban on bulk transfer facilities in Delaware's part of the river.

http://www.delawareonline.com/newsjournal/local/2005/03/31boardbacksstate.html
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Mr.Green93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:17 PM
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1. liquefied natural gas delivery
should be banned everywhere. It is an accident just waiting to happen.
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:31 PM
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3. And what an accident it will be... "blisters 1.3 miles away."

"A study commissioned by the Department of Energy found that an intentional breaching of a tankerload of liquefied natural gas could release vapors flammable at a distance of more than 2 miles, or could trigger a fire that would cause blisters 1.3 miles away."


As a local girl with family ties still living near the few remaining scenic parts of the river, can you guess how that statement felt?!
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AllegroRondo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:24 PM
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2. An unusual situation with the Delaware River
that goes back to the 1600's founding of the Colony of Delaware. The King of England granted the new Colony the rights to the river, its water, and soil beneath the river, all the way to the New Jersey shore. Its been upheld by the SCOTUS dozens of times.
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:33 PM
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4. Thanks for that info - I didn't know how it started but I'm betting
BP may try to fight it again.

For now, they're trying to configure the pier so that it wouldn't encroach on the Delaware owned portion of the river.

I just can't believe New Jersey approved of this -- no matter how much they need the money!

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AllegroRondo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 01:10 PM
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6. I dont know if they can fight it in court
the last ruling in the 70's forbid any further lawsuits about who owns the river.
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philaguy Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 01:01 PM
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5. Blackbird Creek
I would be very surprised if, ultimately, Delaware's authority under the Coastal Zone Act isn't pre-empted by the federal permits, and federal authority to regulate interstate commerce on navigable waterways.

Coincidentally, that doctrine goes all the way back to a John Marshall decision on the subject of building a dam on Blackbird Creek.

http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/a1_8_3_commerces20.html

The act of assembly by which the plaintiffs were authorized to construct their dam, shows plainly that this is one of those many creeks, passing through a deep level marsh adjoining the Delaware, up which the tide flows for some distance. The value of the property on its banks must be enhanced by excluding the water from the marsh, and the health of the inhabitants probably improved. Measures calculated to produce these objects, provided they do not come into collision with the powers of the general government, are undoubtedly within those which are reserved to the states.
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The counsel for the plaintiffs in error insist that it comes in conflict with the power of the United States "to regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states." If Congress had passed any act which bore upon the case, any act in execution of the power to regulate commerce, the object of which was to control state legislation over those small navigable creeks into which the tide flows, and which abound throughout the lower country of the middle and southern states; we should feel not much difficulty in saying that a state law coming in conflict with such act would be void. But Congress has passed no such act. The repugnancy of the law of Delaware to the Constitution is placed entirely on its repugnancy to the power to regulate commerce with foreign nations and among the several states; a power which has not been so exercised as to affect the question.


The difference here is that LNG importation and the facility permits *are* the subject of federal regulation of foreign and interstate commerce. So you have a conflict between the federal government granting permission to a project involving an interstate navigable waterway, and the state government asserting authority to stop it.

Gibbons v. Ogden is right on point. New York had granted a monopoly to the Fulton company to operate steamboats in New York's waters, including the Hudson Bay. A New Jersey company sought to also operate steamboats from New Jersey, crossing New York's waters.

http://www.tourolaw.edu/patch/Gibbons/
This court is of opinion that so much of the several laws of the state of New York as prohibits vessels, licensed according to the laws of the United States, from navigating the waters of the state of New York, by means of fire or steam, is repugnant to the said Constitution and void.

The amazing thing about the BP project is that the LNG tankers draw about 36 feet, and the river channel depth is maintained at about 40 feet by dredging. The Salem/Hope Creek complex has igniters surrounding it, so that any leak will be lit and blown back at Port Penn, in order to keep the plants safe. But, along with closing the Del. Mem. Br. every time one of these things comes through, one wonders whether using a site further south, and running a pipeline, might be a better idea.




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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 01:27 PM
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7. Good info. Thanks. So much happening these days...
that last oil spill - what oil spill? -- Oh yeah, it's not in the news anymore so it must all be ok now, right?

closing one of the towers for repairs just across from Delaware city

the VX business

and now this



I want to leave but my family is all here.


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