2 Black teens in Ga. get 10 years for killing dog

[Bo]

Once again, the Georgia Taliban are on the march.


https://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/atlanta/stories/2007/02/10/0210metpuppy.html

[Botany]

1. No sympathy from me

She described the acts the boys pleaded guilty to — taking the puppy and smearing paint on it, trying to set it
on fire, hog tying its feet with duct tape and binding its snout before stuffing it into a searing hot gas oven —
as "malicious, unbridled cruelty."

people who do these thing to animals often end hurting people.

[LeftishBrit]

6. I have to agree with you

This wasn't just neglect or thoughtlessness; they were torturing the dog for the fun of it. Quite sick.

Also, it sounds as though they were chronic offenders in other ways. According to the article, the sentence was increased due to taking into account other offences of 'burglary, criminal damage to property and child cruelty'.

So they weren't just potentially going to end up harming people; they'd already done so: 'child cruelty'.

[Old Vet]

10. At first glance it seems nuts.....

Then read the whole article about how one raped a 3 year old, Then the way they tortured and killed the puppy. No sympathy over here either, These guys where on the road to killing someone down the road, Lets see, Molesting children,Arson,killing puppies. Not Good!

[saigon68]

26. They belong in the US armed forces

plenty of islamics for them to practice on

[Cassandra]

32. "people who do these thing to animals often end hurting people"

Some of them end up becoming pResident of the United States.

[goclark]

34. Thank you for remembering that one of these is in to WH nt

[Southsideirish]

40. Nor me either - filthy little fiends. I wish they got more. n/t

[tularetom]

2. This may be the one time I agree with them

Far as I'm concerned, 10 years is a slap on the wrist for what these assholes did. Now, if your point is that white offenders would have gotten off with community service, I can't argue with that.

[bluerum]

8. I was about to comment on the inequity of justice in the south. But

with-held comment because I was afraid of taking fire from the southern contingents. But, I am afraid that I agree. If they were white boys, they would be doing community service in a kennel instead of jail time.

What the "president" is doing in our name deserves more than a life sentence. But the chances are that he will live out his pitiful excuse for a life in comfort and luxury.

[China_cat]

17. They got 10 years

PROBATION. According to the Atlanta Journal Constitution this morning.

[RubyDuby in GA]

52. Here's your fire from the Southern contingent

Your "theory" is bullshit. Here in Atlanta, there have been a series of animal cruelty cases that just seem to be escalating. This is by far the worst though. The state legislature has increasingly made it more of a possibility of doing some serious time for such cases.

I don't care if they are beige, purple, polka dotted or striped. These "boys" are despicable human beings and deserve far worse than the sentence they got.

[Indigent A-hole]

3. Justice served

The penalty may sound harsh at first view of the headline, but seeing what those twisted aholes did to that poor puppy severely enrages me. They're lucky the court got to them before I did.

[oldtimecanuk]

4. As far as I concerned the punishment should have been the...

same as they put the poor dogs thru. 10 years IMHO is much to lenient .... Possibly life in prison would have been my choice.... That just sucks big time! Of course I happen to be an animal lover...

ww

[Mz Pip]

5. People who torture

animals deserve a special place in hell. I don't have much sympathy for them, either.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[Withywindle]

7. There are SO many young black men in prison who don't deserve to be there...

These two ain't them.

[oldtimecanuk]

9. And one more thing... skin color has nothing to do with this case..

I don't give a shit if they are white, black, green or pink.... the sentence was way to lenient!

ww

[Coventina]

11. What does skin color have to do with cruelty?

These fuckers deserved MORE than what they got.

[oldtimecanuk]

15. The opening post is 2 Black teens from GA... and my point..

I could care less about either there race or their skin color.... They deserve more than they got...

ww

[Coventina]

22. My post was a response to the OP, not to you.

Just in case you were confused!

:hi:

[rodeodance]

12. two young lives-----forever lost.

.......Prosecutors spent two hours Friday showing the lengthy juvenile records of the Moulders, saying that the puppy's grisly death was an escalation of a dangerous pattern established long ago.

Joshua Moulder, the younger brother, had been in an out of psychiatric care and state youth detention centers for years, records showed. He had been accused of breaking into homes, arson, threatening to beat and kill his own mother and trashing a foster home.

Justin Moulder, while in foster care, had been charged with aggravated sexual battery of a 3-year-old boy, prosecutors said. He was charged as an adult but prosecuted as a minor. He also was convicted of shoplifting as an adult.

Joshua Moulder said nothing at Friday's sentencing. Justin Moulder read a brief statement, apologizing for their actions.

"We are here to ask for forgiveness and a second chance at life," the elder brother said. "If I am given another chance, I will make up for it."

[ZacharyG]

13. What a disturbing story

But, why is their skin color part of the story? What possible difference does it make whether they are black or white?

[kstewart33]

18. Being raised in the deep south,

I agree with the stereotype that blacks are not well treated by the courts in the south, GA included. But in this case, they got what they deserved.

[achtung_circus]

14. I investigate this stuff for a living.

A few points from the link.

The felony animal cruelty charge carried a maximum of 5 years in prison. However, the time in jail increased because of charges for burglary, criminal damage to property and child cruelty.

Prosecutors spent two hours Friday showing the lengthy juvenile records of the Moulders, saying that the puppy's grisly death was an escalation of a dangerous pattern established long ago.

Joshua Moulder, the younger brother, had been in an out of psychiatric care and state youth detention centers for years, records showed. He had been accused of breaking into homes, arson, threatening to beat and kill his own mother and trashing a foster home.

The pleas came Jan. 26 as defense lawyers and prosecutors prepped for a final pre-trial motion before the retrial, which was set to begin Jan. 29. The blind guilty pleas entered to nine felony counts allowed the judge to decide how many years each youth will serve.

So the cruelty gets the headline but there were other charges in play. To call it 10 years for the puppy is not accurate.

We use a 3P model for our recommendations for sentencing, Punishment, Prohibition and Public Awareness. Public Awareness can be defined as specific deterrence or general deterrence. It is necessary for people to know just what we, as people, do to the animals we have domesticated.

The neglect cases are bad enough, the conscious abuse is an order of magnitude worse.

Sorry, I'm no animal rights activist, I find most of them misinformed and anthropomorphic, but in this instance I'm on the side of the puppy.

[kstewart33]

16. Given their prior criminal history and this heinous crime,

10 years sounds right to me.

[silverlib]

19. 10 years of rehabiliative incarceration

would be fair, but I am afraid that our justice system is no longer restorative, it is only punitive. These boys need therapy, intense and strong. And they needed and need love. They now have no opportunity for any of these.

[saigon68]

27. One thing for sure

they will "get love" in a prison setting

[President Kerry]

43. some crimes are so heinous they require hard punitive measures.

10 years was too lenient. In my book, you do what they did to a living thing you deserve to be locked up for life.

[Eugene]

20. Ahem, the AJC headline is "2 teens get 10 years in tortured puppy case"

The article does not mention the teens' race.
Introducing here is gratuitous.

[oldtimecanuk]

21. I guess the biggest thing about this case beyond the cruelty....

These kids know right from wrong, and that sure is hell was very wrong..... Thats all I have to say on this topic.... I guess it just shows which way our society is headed, very sad indeed...

ww

[montanacowboy]

23. Justice would be to cook them in an oven

no sympathy for these two monsters; next stop they would cook a child

they belong behind bars for a long long time

[Taoschick]

24. Do you think

This was some sort of harmless prank?

[Misskittycat]

25. No sympathy from me either. It was torture. n/t

[Sewsojm]

30. Monsters

I'd let these two Rot in jail for the rest of their sorry lives, they are Monsters and should be treated as such!!

[classysassy]

28. Killing is wrong

where is the outrage about all the iraqi people,slaughtered by our troops?,where is the justice?.I guess an American dog is superior to an iraqi child.

[slackmaster]

29. Global Warming could kill us all

Where's the outrage about THAT?

:dunce:

[Mz Pip]

31. There is plenty of outrage

for what goes on Iraq. And not one poster here has said anything to give the impression that the dog's life is superior to an Iraqi child's. Get a grip. :eyes:

Being outraged by Iraq and by what these creeps did are not mutally exclusive.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[classysassy]

51. I've

been in combat,how about you?,get a life.

[achtung_circus]

36. Look around

there's plenty of outrage.

[Judi Lynn]

41. Apparently you've not spent much time at D.U. or that post would never have occured to you.

Sane, balanced, decent people don't approve of any kind of cruelty.

That's something only fools use as part of their options.

Your comments are utterly out of place. You seem unacquainted altogether with DU'ers.

[Name removed]

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[President Kerry]

44. what's the relevance of your post?

There are plenty of threads about the horrors of civilian deaths in Iraq. This thread happens to deal with something completely different. Comparing the two is just dumb. No offense.

[classysassy]

48. I don't agree

killing is killing,regardless of who or what is killed.Man cannot create life and he has no right to take a life.

[classysassy]

49. Yor are wrong.

its possible that I am dumb,but stupid I am not.Think about that before you use the word dumb,you don't know me,and can be damn sure I don't want to know you.

[mitchum]

33. sociopaths = pitiless monsters = evil motherfuckers = they will kill again

[Donnachaidh]

35. They didn't get what they truly deserve

And I doubt SERIOUSLY that a pair of white kids would get a lighter sentence for this --

"She described the acts the boys pleaded guilty to — taking the puppy and smearing paint on it, trying to set it on fire, hog tying its feet with duct tape and binding its snout before stuffing it into a searing hot gas oven — as "malicious, unbridled cruelty."

This was premeditated brutalization of a helpless animal. IMO real justice would be giving them a taste of what that puppy had to go through.

Yeah, there's racism in the South. on BOTH sides.

[onehandle]

37. Your headline is wrong.

"2 teens get 10 years in tortured puppy case"

4. When posting articles, always use the published title of the article as the title of the discussion thread. Additional information may be included in a thread title (in parentheses) if it helps to make the title more clear.

[marshall]

47. I agree, the thread is misleading

When I first read it, I thought WTF, a newspaper today identifying a criminal's race in its headline? I thought we left that behind in the sixties. I searched through the article and I'm still not clear how it was determined that these two men are black (if in fact the are).

[Ronnie Roach]

38. Racism is dead in the USA?

Many white kids do these type of dastardly deeds, however, on the pretext of crime, Passive/aggressive racism applies here.

[President Kerry]

45. there are a few comments like yours in this thread.

I don't know if it's true or not, I doubt it is. But it would be nice to see some sources when people make such scandalous claims. The law on animal cruelty is too lenient to whoever perpetrates that atrocity. These kids got more because of a pattern of behavior, and their likely being a danger to society. Nothing to do with race.

[Judi Lynn]

39. Use the headline the paper chose. Leave their race out of it.

DU rules require using the actual newspaper headline.

Shabby idea to push the race of the defendents as the important feature of the story, isn't it?

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

42. Well, well, well....

It seems herr Bo has a serious case of "post & run."

[struggle4progress]

46. Word "black" doesn't actually occur in article or headline: so why do you insert it?

[Lithos]

53. Locking

Title is unnecessarily misleading and inflammatory bringing in race when that was not the issue at hand.

Lithos
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