Yet another reason not to shop at WalMart

[proud2BlibKansan]

Police in Georgia say a man stabbed his estranged wife to death in a Walmart parking lot where they met to exchange custody of their two children.

A Suwanee police news release says the couple began arguing Sunday outside of the store in the city about 30 miles northeast of Atlanta.

Phillip Chad Dunn, 28, of Lawrenceville stabbed his wife during the argument then stabbed himself, according to the release. Police say Shelley Dyan Dunn, 27, of Buford, died of her wounds at a nearby hospital.

Police say their children were present. Their ages weren't immediately disclosed.

http://www.kmbc.com/news/22565382/detail.html

[xultar]

1. WOW!!! That is near my house!!! Rignt off of 85 Exit 111

.

[sgsmith]

10. Leaving Bodyplex yesterday afternoon

I noticed the remote trucks for two of the local TV stations heading west on Lawrenceville-Suwanee, and wondered if something was going on. Sadly, it appears that there was.

[MineralMan]

2. I guess I don't see what that has to do with Walmart.

Seriously. It could have been a Denny's parking lot. Lots of kid exchanges happen in those, too.

[Mopar151]

5. McDonald's in these parts

Playgrounds are a feature of many MickeyD's here.

[RaleighNCDUer]

25. People choose spots which they know and are familiar with -

if they chose wally-world it's because they are regular wally-world customers.

And a business is defined by its customer base.

[MineralMan]

29. So, let me get this straight....tell me where I go wrong here...

Walmart customers are likely to kill people because they're the kind of people who shop at Walmart. Is that what you're saying? If so, shame on you.

[farmout rightarm]

31. Yep. Only bad people shop at Walmart.

...

[wolfgangmo]

78. I wouldn't go that far.

But I would say that only bad people OWN Walmart.

So you could say that people who shop at Walmart choose to support bad people. Kind of like Rethugs voted for Bush --- TWICE!!!!!

[farmout rightarm]

129. Ah, well fine...I'll start driving 80 miles to the other store...and support Exxon.

:eyes:

[proud2BlibKansan]

44. No. The issue is safety in their parking lots.

I am willing to bet there were several security officers inside watching this go down on their security cameras. And not a one got up to help this woman.

[Statistical]

46. How exactly would they help?

What long do you think it takes for a security office in back of Walmart to get to the parking lot?
How long do you think it takes a violent killer to inflict mortal injuries on a helpless victim?

I am thinking the former is longer than the latter.

[proud2BlibKansan]

67. They wouldn't

They were probably too busy editing the security tapes to prevent the impending legal settlement.

[farmout rightarm]

75. Can I get some of whatever you're smoking?

:shrug:

[proud2BlibKansan]

92. Read my post #30

[farmout rightarm]

128. Post 30 is Obamanaut's.

:eyes:

[proud2BlibKansan]

132. Check again. It's mine.

[Obamanaut]

135. Here is response 30, it's Obamanaut's

Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Mon Feb-15-10 10:55 AM
Response to Reply #15
30. I don't feel 'unsafe' anywhere I go. We usually park toward the
Edited on Mon Feb-15-10 10:56 AM by Obamanaut
outer fringes of parking lots, even though we have a handicapped sticker for Miz O, because she prefers the longer walk for the exercise and I (still) enjoy holding her hand after 42 years.

Mall parking lots, big and small store parking lots, street side parking - someone can 'get you' at any one of them at any time. It doesn't really matter what the name of the chain/company/store is, so why blame the store?

[farmout rightarm]

138. Thanks...I wuz startin' to wonder if I was going cockeyed

:D

[Obamanaut]

143. Nah, you're ok. I had them put the wrong number on my post to mess with you. n/t

[farmout rightarm]

145. Okay now I am officially giggling like a schoolgirl

;-)

[farmout rightarm]

137. Okay now I KNOW you're smoking something.

jeez

[Obamanaut]

77. So where should we go that we will know store personnel will

scurry right out to save us from an impromptu 3 second stabbing, in time to stop the stabbing and effect capture of the wrong-doer?

Where is such a place where we can feel perfectly safe all the time, knowing that store employees are eagerly awaiting an opportunity to throw themselves in harm's way on our behalf?

You don't really think there is such a place, do you?

[proud2BlibKansan]

96. I would feel more comfortable in a lot with security actually in the lot

and not just inside watching the security films.

[Obamanaut]

57. So, let us imagine there were several security officers watching the

screens. Let us further imagine they are not trained LEOs.

You expect an untrained person to scurry out to a parking lot to stop a stabbing that takes 2 or 3 seconds, and if he/she is quick enough to get there in that 2 or 3 seconds to apprehend a knife-wielding perpetrator? Do you really?

And if you don't, and they call for the local police, don't you think that the evildoer will be gone within moments of his 2 or 3 second escapade?

[proud2BlibKansan]

65. No I don't expect them to run out there and save this woman; that's precisely my point

They are there to prevent shoplifting. Walmart doesn't give a shit about crime in their parking lots.

[RaleighNCDUer]

47. Wal mart shoppers care less for community than their own pocketbook,

they are OK with destructive short-term solutions so long as they get what they want. That's the kind of person that resorts to impulsive violence to 'solve' an intractable problem.

Is there anyone in the country who DOESN'T know that Wal Mart's practices have decimated the US economy?

There are three reasons for being a wal mart shopper - 1) there is literally no other place still available for the product, the independents having all been put out of business by wal mart; 2) you're too poor to shop anywhere that is still in competition with wal mart; or 3) you don't give a fuck what wal mart has done to your community and your nation. Unfortunately, it seems there are more #3 shoppers than not.

[madmom]

66. That is total bullshit. Why would I pay more for the EXACT SAME product , if I can get

it for less at walmart. We have a kmart, a meijer and a walmart. They sell practically the same merchandise. I know for a fact that walmart pays their employees more per hour.. So WHY would I want to line the pockets of kmart and mejier just because they are not walmart. It does NOT go to their employees it goes to the company. BTW I have worked at both walmart and meijer and family worked for kmart, so I know what I'm talking about. walmart is no more and no less decimating the US economy than the others.

[proud2BlibKansan]

70. Because there is a higher cost over time.

If you want to support the Chinese economy by giving Walmart your money I won't stop you. But I'll be making an effort to buy locally while you spend your money at Walmart.

[madmom]

91. How is buying the exact same product from kmart NOT supporting the Chinese economy? You make

no sense. The money all goes to the same place, just a different middle man.
And yes I shop at Walmart, I am ashamed at people being shamed into thinking if they shop at Walmart they are scum. People do what they have to do to survive, but go ahead and look down your nose at the rest of us after all this is America we are allowed to do even that.

[proud2BlibKansan]

104. KMart at least treats its employees better

I try not to shop there either but would choose KMart over Walmart. I worked for KMart when I was in high school and college and it was a great company back then.

[madmom]

149. I worked for walmart my son worked for kmart. I'll take walmart thank you, better pay,

better hours and they treated me better than any other job I worked in retail.

[Obamanaut]

72. You're gonna get yelled at. n/t

[MineralMan]

68. Hmm...I have a fourth reason for shopping at Walmart:

4. Sometimes they have items I need at a steep discount compared to other stored offering the same merchandise. I buy those items at Walmart, then leave the store. Fishing tackle is one such item. Once a year, before fishing season, I go to the local Walmart to see what special pricing they have on things I use. Generally, I can find four or five items priced at least 50% lower than at the other places I shop. I buy them.

Then, I go to the other shops to buy the rest of my fishing tackle. Some, I buy at the local farm supply store, which also offers discounts on many things. Some I buy at the mom & pop bait and tackle shop that's about six blocks from my house. However, I will not pay $8 for a lure I can buy for $3 at Walmart. I'll buy everything else, but I will not buy the $8 lure.

It's called selective shopping, and it's how I do things. Where there is no substantial difference in price, I shop at small, locally-owned stores. However, when an item I need is offered at a steep discount elsewhere, I go there to buy that item, and that item only. If they want to sell loss-leaders, I'm their guy. For the rest of the stuff, I go local.

[proud2BlibKansan]

73. There is a cost attached to that steep discount.

But hey if cheap crap from China works for you, then go for it.

[MineralMan]

80. Rapala lures are made in Finland. They're very good, and very

expensive. They're on sale sometimes in Walmart. The ones at Walmart are still made in Finland. Walmart uses them as a loss-leader to get people into their fishing tackle section. I buy them there, if they have the particular models I want.

I don't buy my cheap crap made in China at Walmart. I prefer to buy that crap at my local bait & tackle store, along with the locally raised bait and locally made lures I use. But fishing reels? Nope. They're all made somewhere else these days. Poles? Well, there are local makers, but they're mostly just building poles on blanks made in China or Indonesia. I buy the ones I like to use, wherever they're made.

[MiniMe]

3. I dislike Walmart as much as the next person, but other than this taking

place in a Walmart parking lot, this really has nothing to do with Walmart.

How tragic this is for the kids. Their mother is dead and they watched their father kill her.

[farmout rightarm]

27. Correct, it has nothing whatsoever to do with them. People get murdered in

all kinds of parking lots.
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/aug/16/man-booked-murder-deadly-weapon/

[arcadian]

4. That's some crack security Wal-Mart has there.

There are about 50 CCTV cameras in the parking lot and another 50 on the building yet they didn't see this? And to those who "fail to see what this has to do with Wal-Mart", Wal-Mart is notoriously horrible about policing their parking areas which are crime ridden, the CCTV cameras are there for Wal-Marts benefit only, in the case that they may have to take shoplifters to court and identifying them.

[hayu_lol]

6. Really tragic...young, all of them are young...

not Mal-Warts responsibility however.

Sign of the times.

[arcadian]

8. I wonder if Wal-Mart thought they were liable in any way.

How much you wanna bet their lawyers at corporate were all over this thrying to figure that out from the moment the first police arrived on scene.

[proud2BlibKansan]

12. Phew. Someone gets it.

:hi:

[Statistical]

14. How exactly would you stop a stabbing Mr. Minority Report?

Timeline
0 seconds: man pulls out knife
1 seconds: man begins stabbing wife.
aprox 2-3 seconds later wife has sustained mortal injuries.

So other than being able to see into the future or having heavily armed security guards within 2-3 seconds of every person at all times how exactly would you stop that?

I mean Walmart bashing for low wages, China imports, anti-labor, etc is one thing but bashing them because someone got stabbed in the parking lot and Walmart "didn't stop it" is just stupid.

[farmout rightarm]

24. +1x10^8

...

[TheCowsCameHome]

28. Maybe their Cart Roundup/Swat Team is off on Sunday

[MineralMan]

36. Should Walmart guards be stepping into a shooting incident?

I don't think so. Are they even armed? Store and parking lot security is not law enforcement. It's corporate security. The Walmart security guys are not competent or equipped. to deal with some guy bent on murdering his wife. They're really not.

[arcadian]

40. Why not? This WalMart manager takes the law into their own hands.

"On Monday, 20 protesters picketed the Ukiah Wal-Mart and eight of them were placed under a citizens arrest for trespassing by the store manager Don Estes."

http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=4099

[MineralMan]

45. So, was that bunch of stoners armed, do ya think?

Do you not see the difference between a guy killing his ex-wife in a Walgreens parking lot and a bunch of dope-smokers protesting at the Walmart? Really?

Now, I've participated in NORML gatherings to protest whatever it was we were protesting. Not a very violent group, as I remember. A stoned group, but non-violent.

Reality is good.

[arcadian]

53. In Mendo? Are you kidding? You know how meny growers are up there?

It's like the Old West. Hippies packing heat. :D Go for a nice walk in the woods and you'll find out.

[MineralMan]

142. Uh, the growers don't want weed decriminalized. If it were

they couldn't make any money. The NORML kids want it made legal, which would cut off the income of those growers...none of whom are hippies of any sort.

Mendo? You mean Mendocino County, in California? Know it well.

[MineralMan]

141. Hmm...

"Among those arrested were former Congressman Dan Hamburg"

Yup, sounds like a dangerous crowd there...

Those pesky NORML kids, eh? Always wanting their weed decriminalized.

[niyad]

52. in the documentary on the evil empire, the lack of security, the refusal of walmart to cooperate

when there are assaults in their parking lots (and there have been quite a few) is one of the points made. there was a whole list of people who had been assaulted in various walmart parking lots, and the complete lack of response from security.

haven't set foot in one of their stores in 15 years, and don't ever plan to. they couldn't GIVE me the store.

the doc, by the way, is "the high cost of low prices" by robert greenwald.

[proud2BlibKansan]

61. Outstanding film!

[Sal Minella]

93. Wal-Mart set up security cameras in their parking lots to monitor possible union

recruiting activity, not for the safety of customers or workers.

Wal-Mart is simply hysterical about the idea of any union activity taking place at any one of their stores.

[Codeine]

60. How the hell could they have stopped it?

I can stab you to death in less time than it takes you to realize you've been stabbed, and much more quickly than anyone around us can see what's going on and come stop me.

Come on now.

[proud2BlibKansan]

86. A security guard IN the parking lot may have been a deterrent

But if this store is like the one where my car was hit, the security folks are probably busy in the back room editing the security tapes.

[Obamanaut]

7. So now we don't like WM because people drop off/pick up kids

in the parking lot? Or because people, not related to anything to do with WM, do dumb things in the parking lot?

I don't understand how any of that story has anything to do with the "I don't shop at WamMart" meme.

[arcadian]

9. Go ahead and shop there.

But it's clearly a place where a lot crime takes place. You gonna put your families safety at risk?

[Statistical]

19. "Statistics fail" for 100 Alex.

Walmart has more stores and more parking lots than any other chain.
Walmart is well known and visible "Lets meet at the Walmart off of North Hampton Blvd".
Thus Walmart is more likely to be location of meetings than say the inside of a bank vault in Tibet at midnight.
Given the higher traffic at a Walmart in a year it is likely that the number of raw instances is higher but that doesn't change the crime rate.


Unless you got something that shows the CRIME RATE (incidents per 100,000 persons) is HIGHER than other locations you might want to step back from the "put your family in danger?" meme.

Of course is you want to rely on anecdotes for crime prevention you likely should never leave your home

Restaurant:
http://www.wvnstv.com/story.cfm?func=viewstory&storyid=75194

Parking lot:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2010/02/14/2010-02-14_security_guard_stabbed_to_death_in_brooklyn_lot_as_he_walked_home_from_party.html

Bar:
http://www.thetimesherald.com/article/20100215/NEWS01/2150310/1002/news01/IN-BRIEF

Grocery:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6866298.html

Trolley:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/feb/14/bn14trolleystab/

Walking on the street:
http://www.dcourier.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=1&ArticleID=77647

School:
http://kdka.com/westmoreland/memorial.service.Jennifer.2.1494872.html

So PLEASE, PLEASE for your families safety do not go or do anything, anywhere, ever.

[arcadian]

32. It would seem you don't ever leave the house yourself with all your "numbers".

Which you cherry pick.

http://www.walmartmovie.com/crime.php

Chris Bottoms, one of our cinematographers, and I met Megan Holden’s family in mid-July in Henderson, Texas, a very small town in the western part of the state about four hours east of Dallas.

We didn't know what to expect from the Holden family. Megan Holden, a young woman of 19 years, had been kidnapped out of a Wal-Mart parking lot. She was brutally murdered. The killer had been hanging around both inside and outside the store for hours. He later turned up on the grainy tape that the cameras outside pick up. But nobody was monitoring the cameras. At Wal-Mart stores nobody ever monitors the cameras. It would take one low paid worker to do it for every eight hour shift, not much money when you add it up, but the cameras at Wal-Mart stores go unwatched.

Megan's mother Sheri, and Megan's sister Crisa, met us in the office of Rusty Phenix, the Holden family lawyer. Some of Megan's friends and former co-workers were there as well. We had set up before they arrived. Rusty's office was comfortable, lawyerly in a stuffed leather couch kind of way, with the signs of his fierce patriotism on the walls and on the desk. Rusty made us feel welcome. But still I felt like a voyeur, a bit of a louse, about to look in from a distance at someone else's pain and despair.

[Statistical]

38. Once again show the crime RATE is higher at Walmart than other locations.

However since you are hung on on security cams:
How exactly would someone monitoring the video prevent the stabbing in the OP?
How exactly would security get from inside the building to the attacker in 2-3 seconds?

The lady was meeting her husband. It wasn't random violence. Her husband want to kill her. He didn't want to rob someone at random, or kill a random person. He wanted to kill her. It was targeted violence. He would have killed her at any location they went to.
If she had changed her mind and said "lets meet at McDonalds parking lot instead" he would have killed here there. The only way for her to prevent this attack was not meet him. Even then unless she had some method to defend herself he could have came to her house and killer her there.

Most security tapes are not monitored. This applies to Walamart, or 7-11, or local bank. Tapes are good for gathering evidence not stopping crime. Take a redlight cam for example. It doesn't stop crime. It doesn't prevent someone from running a red light. It does however gather evidence about the crime.

[arcadian]

49. The guy felt secure enough to stab his wife in a public place

That public place was a WalMart parking lot. Most domestic violence takes place in a home, yet this guy felt ok about doing it in a Wal-Mart parking lot, no wonder Wal-Mart parking lots are havens for criminals.

[Statistical]

51. Emotionally disturbed people often are not thinking logically.

He likely didn't have an escape plan, a method to hide the crime, or an fake alibi ready.

He wanted to kill his wife and he did. You belief that it could ONLY happen at Walmart is silly.
He STABBED himself after the attack. Doesn't sound like someone who did a lot of planning beyond:
Step 1: stab wife
Step 2: ???

Your "logic" is just an example of how personal biases prevent the ability for people to think clearly.

Women get stabbed/shot/attacked at thousands of public locations everyday.

The problem isn't Walmart. If Walmart went bankrupt tomorrow women would still be attack. The problem is violence against women.

If you can see that then you simply don't want to.

[arcadian]

69. The guy felt comfortable stabbing a lady in a Wal-Mart parking lot.

As many people feel comfortable committing crimes in Wal-Mart parking lots. Apparently there is so much crime that citizens have taken to creating their own website to report it.

http://walmartcrimereport.com/crimereport.html

[MineralMan]

55. No...he stabbed his wife because he was angry enough to do so.

Could have been a supermarket parking lot, or a Denny's parking lot. It. was. not. because. it. was. a. Walmart. parking. lot.

I go to a local Walmart at the beginning of every fishing season. They have some good bargains on lures I use. It's a suburban store, and its parking lot is always full. I don't see anyone hanging out in the parking lot plotting criminal activity. It's just a big store parking lot. We've had crimes at malls here many times. We have big malls here. There have been many crimes at the upscale Mall of America.

It's a big parking lot. People meet there to swap kids. This guy was pissed off at his ex-wife and killed her. Where it happened is irrelevant.

I have to take exception with your logical processes, there, Arcadian. They seem pretty damned flawed.

[arcadian]

64. Oh yeah you love Wal-Mart so much that you were a volunteer sales rep there

Off the cuff, the Hmong gentlemen, as I recall. Or was that some other retailer? Do you have a link to that thread? Clearly your posts are biased, you like to hang out there.

[MineralMan]

76. You're quite mistaken. The Hmong man was in a completely

different store. It was a locally owned tackle shop that ignored the man because of his race. You can read the thread here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7617663

It's also the top entry in my journal.

Clearly, you are incorrect in your assessment. You didn't bother to check your facts, did you? You made an incorrect assessment and just spewed it out. I go to Walmart once a year, as I described in another reply in this thread.

You're way, way off base on this one, my friend.

[arcadian]

81. Do you give advice in the WalMart tackle department as well?

You clearly know a lot about that department, as you've said, WalMart has the cheapest prices on tackle(taking your word for this, I've not researched it). So I guess you are justified in defending the retailer which provides you with so much cheap entertainment.

[MineralMan]

84. I'm not in there long enough to offer any advice. I would, though,

if someone asked me for it. Actually, Walmart does not have the cheapest price on tackle, except when they price something as a loss leader. You're not reading very closely, are you? And...about the Hmong man? What do you have to say about that? That was a locally-owned tackle shop. How about that?

And how about apologizing for slandering me in regard to that post? I'll be happy to accept your apology.

[arcadian]

94. slander? LOL. naaa, why don't you sue me?

PM me for my personal info. :rofl:

[MineralMan]

97. No, thanks very much. Not interested in anything like that.

[MineralMan]

82. So, have you checked the thread? Are you ready to apologize for

your insulting post? Eh? I'm waiting...

[arcadian]

89. I asked you for the link.

:eyes:

[MineralMan]

95. And I gave it to you in the reply to the post where you asked.

You can also find it as the top listing in my journal.


Here's the link for the second time:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7617663

Go read it. It was a locally-owned tackle shop that behaved in a racist way. Walmart would have been happy to sell the Hmong man what he wanted, but they don't have what he needed anyhow.

[farmout rightarm]

21. You must live in an "interesting" neighborhood. The WalMart here has no outside

cameras and few people even lock their cars. A little shoplifting now and then is what passes for a crime wave.
:eyes:

[arcadian]

33. I'm calling bullshit on your post.

EVERY Wal-Mart has CCTV cameras in the parking lot.

[farmout rightarm]

74. Well, you have obviously visited every single one. I guess I'll believe you over my own

lying eyes.

:eyes:
:silly:

[arcadian]

87. I will solidly make that claim.

EVERY single Wal-Mart has CCTV cameras on the exterior and interior of their stores. It's a company-wide policy.

[proud2BlibKansan]

50. Sounds like those security cameras are well concealed if you can't see them

There isn't any big box store in the USA that doesn't have security cameras. Don't fool yourself.

[farmout rightarm]

83. They have tons of them inside. Outside, no unless they're those new invisible ones.

Next time I go I'll take some pictures...

[proud2BlibKansan]

102. Good luck. I tried that and the security guy wasn't very nice

when he asked me to leave and threatened to press charges against me for tresspassing. Because I was taking pictures of the security cameras.

[MineralMan]

39. That's just bullshit.

We have this incident, and a few others I'm sure I could find links to. I did a search for Shooting Denny's and found several. Is Denny's a place where crime is rampant, too.

You're way off base on this one. Crimes take place in all sorts of places. The more people who pass through a place, the more chance of a crime occurring there, statistically.

Thinking is an art. It takes practice.

[arcadian]

58. Denny's is open 24 hours, not surprising that a lot of crime would take place there.

Or that it would be a magnet for criminal types. 3:00 am they got no where to go, plus the meth heads are up 24 hours anyway. Guess you didn'nt think about that one too hard now did you?

[Statistical]

101. Um.... isn't Walmart open 24 hours a day?

Guess the 24 hours rule doesn't apply to your selection bias.

[proud2BlibKansan]

103. Not all of them

[madmom]

106. Umm Walmart is open 24 hours also, You really like grasping at straws don't you?

That proves you don't know as much as you think you do, IMO !

[proud2BlibKansan]

108. The ones here aren't

Only some, not all.

[prairierose]

63. This is more fearmongering....this incident, while tragic...

really has nothing to do with the evil walmart. Notice what I called them. I think they are just about the most evil corporation on the planet. They are not only evil in the US for what they have done to local business, local tax rates, unions etc. but the way they treat employees in china is also criminal.

However, using logic would show us that because something bad happens in a place does not mean that the place is responsible for that bad thing.

I am so tired of seeing this kind of faulty reasoning followed by fearmongering. The neocons/rightwing do it every day and in millions of email rumors. The corporate media does it to almost every story they deign to cover.

Stop jumping on the bandwagon(a logical fallacy) and spreading fear.

[proud2BlibKansan]

15. Do you feel safe there?

I didn't even before I heard about this stabbing.

[Obamanaut]

30. I don't feel 'unsafe' anywhere I go. We usually park toward the

outer fringes of parking lots, even though we have a handicapped sticker for Miz O, because she prefers the longer walk for the exercise and I (still) enjoy holding her hand after 42 years.

Mall parking lots, big and small store parking lots, street side parking - someone can 'get you' at any one of them at any time. It doesn't really matter what the name of the chain/company/store is, so why blame the store?

[proud2BlibKansan]

42. Back when I used to shop there my car got hit

and I called to ask if they might have security films I could watch to see who hit my car. The security manager called me back a few hours later and said sure come on over and we'll show you the films.

So I go to the store and they take me to this huge room in the back that has at least 30 TV screens all showing different views of the parking lot. And several security folks sitting there watching the TVs. The manager brings up the film showing me park and gives me the remote so I can fast forward and pause while watching the video. And I can see it's been edited. It's also obvious I pulled in with a car that has no body damage but I pull out with a huge ding in the back of my car.

Security guy says sorry our film doesn't show your car getting hit. I say well NOW it doesn't show that.

So I went to the police station to file a report and the cops say they are over there every day for one reason or another. And I tell him they let me see the security film. And the cop says well it's private property and will I see anything if I look at the film. I tell him it looked edited to me and he said he wouldn't be surprised.

So no I don't feel safe there. I never have gone back to that Walmart and stopped shopping Walmart altogether shortly after my car was hit.

[madmom]

122. All this hate because your car got a dent? WOW!

[proud2BlibKansan]

133. No. I don't shop there because I try to live by my progressive principles.

I am a union member and WM is notoriously anti-union. They treat their employees like shit. 95% of their merchandise is cheap crap from China. WM is a predator that has put US manufacturers like Rubbermaid out of business. Their super centers have destroyed tens of thousands of locally owned retailers. Their customer service sucks.

AND their parking lots are dangerous.

[madmom]

146. see post # 66 and # 113

[farmout rightarm]

147. Rubbermaid is out of business? Gee, I wonder who's paying to maintain this hugh website

http://www.rubbermaid.com/Pages/Home.aspx

[madmom]

113. Yes. When I was an employee I had to be at work at 5:00am. I had to walk all the way

across the parking lot (from employee parking) to the one door they keep open at night. I did this nearly everyday. Didn't bother me a bit.

watch out for those scary poor people!!!!!!.

[proud2BlibKansan]

134. So now this is about poor people?

Or should I say scary poor people?

Nice strawman. :eyes:

[madmom]

150. Not really according to some on this very thread one of the reasons someone would

shop at walmart is because they are too poor to shop else where. It's been said on this very board many times, so no it's not a straw man at all.

[farmout rightarm]

20. There are, I'm discovering, some very odd people hereabouts.

:shrug:

[slackmaster]

11. I see that as another reason not to have kids

Or not to get married.

[TheCowsCameHome]

13. And this was Walmart's fault?

It could have happened anywhere.

[proud2BlibKansan]

17. Well what do you want to bet this woman's family will win a lawsuit

against Walmart?

[farmout rightarm]

22. With a jury of idiots, she might.

shrug

[TheCowsCameHome]

23. Maybe, maybe not.

I still don't see how Walmart (or any other store, for that matter) could have prevented it.

[NM_hemilover]

71. Lawsuits don't prove what's right anymre. And I find

it humorous that winning a lawsuit would give some sort of credibility to your argument.



Would a gajillioin dollar lawsuit teach Wallmart a big enough lesson about how to maintain control over a nutbag loser and his intention to kill his wife ?

[proud2BlibKansan]

79. It's about their parking lot security

Or rather the lack of security while the illusion of safety is all over the property.

[NM_hemilover]

100. same can be said for the bus stop,

"ride the bus, public transportation is helping to reduce auto emmissions" ....but if you get mugged, or beaten, or intimidated well then you shoulda gotten mugged at Wallmart if you wanted a payout.

[proud2BlibKansan]

105. Does the bus co have security folks who edit the security tapes?

[NM_hemilover]

112. I get it, you think Wallmart is bad, and at fault.

However I tend to think the loser that stabbed his ex-wife is to blame.

[proud2BlibKansan]

114. Of course he's to blame

But Walmart creates a false sense of security. That's my point.

[NM_hemilover]

118. Walk out your front door with a smile,

that too is a false sense of security. I just don't see Wallmart is at fault. As long as Wallmnart is painted as the bad guy and at fault, then the woman died for a good cause.

maybe Wallmart should sue him for using their property for purposes other than for which it was intended, sue him for a gajillion dollars in lost revenue due to bad publicity, you know a murder and all.

The 9 dollar an hour elderly and/or youth security guard in the go cart should have been able to engage the armed man had it been "on tape"....yes or no, I personally believe the man doing the stabbing should have been shot in the face by the Wallmart SORT team.

[proud2BlibKansan]

123. Well like I said in the OP this is just one more reason not to shop there

I thought it would be informative for anyone who feels secure in the parking lot.

[NM_hemilover]

125. I don't mean to sound like an ass,..... most likely I do though

I pull my soap box out when a story like this one, that involves a family murder is a focused reason to hate/blame a company, rather than focus on the lifetime sentence the kids are going to pay, or the death sentance the woman paid.

Wallmart sells huge volumes of cheap crap because our elected LAWYERS made trade agreements, that make it more profitable to do business over seas than here at home. They are not the only ones, Wallmart is just the lightning rod of hate.

You have too many hearts for me to argue with for long, I'm just a noob. ;)

[farmout rightarm]

130. Hurling epithets at WM puts you on a way higher moral plane than the asses who shop there.

It's Canon 3.4 at DU.

:shrug:

[Obamanaut]

144. You're ok. If you want to sit at the 'cool kid' table, you have to say

you never set foot in Walmart, and you never watch Fox news.

You can do those things, but you have to say you don't, and agree with everyone who says they don't either.

Enjoy DU! Despite what I just typed, I've learned a lot here, mostly by following links that people provide, and reading what I find there. There is a lot of good info here. A lot.

[NM_hemilover]

151. I'm hosed then.

Because Wallmart has some of the best prices for the crap I want, and since I'm not wealthy, I'm in line with the rest of the rubes paying less for stuff. I think listening to only one point of view politically and then declaring all others to be wrong is well.............uninformed and foolish. Nobody is right about everything every time, except my dad ............ he knew everything.


I always had more fun in the back of the bus in school anyways, the cool kids never had good weed.

[NM_hemilover]

109. The fact that,

you believe a camera, and a 9 dollar an hour parking lot security guard could prevent a pathetic loser from stabbing his ex-wife, tells me that you really believe that everything is preventable, if only it gets on tape, and somebody gets sued.


Kansas is beautiful (but then I love fields), my best friend was born in Topeka. Some of the best bird hunting I've ever been exposed too, we just don't agree on the hatred of Wallmart. But Kansas is alright in my book. For my 40th birthday, his family gave us a limestone land marker that is way too cool for me to describe.

[proud2BlibKansan]

116. I changed grocery stores because of security

My new one has a guy in the lot.

[NM_hemilover]

119. so does Wallmart.

[proud2BlibKansan]

120. Not the one where my car got hit

Never noticed it at any other WMs either. But I will admit I don't go around looking for them either.

But I learned a lot about their worthless security when my car got hit.

[NM_hemilover]

121. Thats becasue Wallmart traffic cops weren't there to protect you.

There is not enough bubble wrap in the world to make you feel safe. A loser stabbed his ex-wife, there is nothing you or anybody else including the dead woman could have done to prevent it. Well that's not true, she could have shot him, then Wallmart would be responsible for two killings, and an unlawfully discharging a firearm in the city limits charge.

Bye Kansas, be safe.

[MineralMan]

140. My car got hit in a Cub supermarket parking lot. Parking lots are

like that. There are cars getting hit in them all the time. Fortunately for me, I was in the car when it got hit, so I got to get the other driver's information. His insurance company sent me a nice check to pay for the damage. I spent the money on health insurance instead. The dents in the car are still there, and will be until the car gets turned into scrap metal for making new cars.

I still shop at Cub. I could get hit again at any time, but that's parking lots for ya.

[madmom]

124. I can't believe you got so up tight and changed your life because of a dent in your car. God I hope

you never have a REAL crisis.

[proud2BlibKansan]

126. I had to pay a $500 deductible to get my car fixed

Wouldn't that make you a bit uptight?

[madmom]

127. Not enough to change my entire life around. I had an accident in a walmart parking lot also, but

mine was to my person. I twisted my ankle (severely) in a pot hole in their parking lot. Immediately there were 3 managers there helping me to a place to set down. They wanted to call a doctor, I said no. I wrote up an accident report sat for a while till I was able to drive again. I thought that was the end of it. The next time I went there ALL the potholes were fixed then a few days later I received a check in the mail. I did not ask for anything, but got a $1200 check because I twisted my ankle. So you see anecdotal stories work for both sides of the argument.

[proud2BlibKansan]

131. My entire life wasn't changed around

:eyes:

[farmout rightarm]

148. Well, now we know what your integrity is worth.

:shrug:

[NM_hemilover]

56. I think this type of violent crime DOES happen in other places,

But if it happened in the parking lot of a food co-op or at Costco, then it would just be a tragic occurrence blamed on another person acting irriationally under the stress of a bad economy. What if it happened at the food bank, who would they sue then ?

How about the pathetic loser who stabbed his wife in front of his children in a parking lot, then stabbed himself ? No he certainly isn't to blame, sue Wallmart because that will teach those corporate bastards.

I have to laugh at the rationality of believing Wallmart is to blame.

[Xenotime]

99. lack of security.

[lunatica]

16. My first thought was the wife picked a public place to avoid violence

Stories like these are horrible. And whether people want to jump in to defend one party or the other, it's still spousal violence against the mother. It was the man who used the weapon and he's accountable for what he does.

But at least the man didn't stab his kids.

[farmout rightarm]

18. What if it had been a Costco?

:eyes:

[TheCowsCameHome]

26. That would be totally different, because, because, because

duh, I don't know, come to think of it......

Because it wasn't Walmart, I guess.:shrug:

[xultar]

111. Costco donates to Democratic candidates.

[Obamanaut]

139. As does WalMart. Here's a link to some from the 2008 campaign.

There are over 75 names on the representative list (I stopped counting at 75, there are more), including some from Georgia.

Here's the sentate list from Huffpo

Baucus, Max (D-MT) $7,000
Landrieu, Mary L (D-LA) $5,000
Lincoln, Blanche (D-AR) $2,000
McCaskill, Claire (D-MO)$5,000
Pryor, Mark (D-AR) $3,000
Salazar, Ken (D-CO) $2,000

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-tasini/why-are-democrats-taking_b_116346.html

edited to add this snippet from the link:

<snip>The answer is clear: money. The Democratic Party is almost even with the Republican Party in the money it receives from Wal-Mart, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. The Center's data, published in an article in today's Wall Street Journal (I'll come back to that article in a moment), shows that 12 years ago, Wal-Mart's PAC gave 98 percent of its money to Republicans. In the current cycle, Democrats have received 48 percent of Wal-Mart's PAC expenditures.

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I don't understand the point of saying Costco donates to dem candidates, because so does Walmart.

[Obamanaut]

152. $

[MineralMan]

43. Or a Starbucks...Jebus help us!

This thread has a high silliness factor, doesn't it?

[ProfessorGAC]

48. Very, Very High, Indeed

You nailed it, MineralMan.
GAC

[proud2BlibKansan]

54. Does Costco selectively edit their security films?

[NM_hemilover]

62. Costco good. Wallmart bad.

[MineralMan]

88. Indeed. Buy your cheap Chinese-made crap at Costco! Don't go

to Walmart to buy it. That seems to be the message. Bizarre.

[proud2BlibKansan]

107. Does Costco edit their security tapes?

I don't shop there so I don't know.

[Obamanaut]

90. Do they? Or, are they fast enough to stop a short duration crime in

the parking lot?

Or, are they trained to do so?

Or, are the fast enough to capture the criminal?

Or, are they the answer to all our prayers and we hear songs of praise as we enter the portals to shop in their paved-with-gold aisles?

Or, are they just another chain trying to make a profit in lean times?

[proud2BlibKansan]

110. I would think the only way would be to have security in the lot

And I have no idea if Costco does.

[NM_hemilover]

115. Christ man, that makes too much sense. n/t

[RB TexLa]

34. Guess it's a good thing they didn't use their local Democratic party HQ parking lot

:crazy:

[TheCowsCameHome]

37. lol

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[MineralMan]

41. WooHoo! You have it, exactly.

[proud2BlibKansan]

59. Are there security cameras there?

[farmout rightarm]

85. I thought of that too but I was too chicken to post it...

:D

[demtenjeep]

35. My S.O.'s family used Walmart as the drop off point

during exchanges years ago. Sometimes they used McDonalds


It was the half way point where both of the sets of parents lived.

[Name removed]

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[LWolf]

117. Violence in a Walmart parking lot.

That's how my son finally got sole custody of my grandson. After years of reporting neglect and abuse to authorities, who were constantly investigating and suspicious, but never finding quite enough evidence to take action, she went on a rampage in a walmart parking lot and beat the crap out of him; it was called in by 6 different people in the parking lot, right from their cell phones.

Not in Georgia, and I don't know what violence in a Walmart parking lot has to do with Georgia; they are everywhere. It's not like the state the parking lot rests in matters.

[MineralMan]

136. I think it has to do with Georgia because that's where this

particular murder occurred. That it occurred in a Walmart parking lot does not make it a story of national importance. It's a local story, and Georgia is the location. It's a very sad story, but has nothing to do with Walmart.

[1American]

153. Shopping at Walmart

What a strange reason you posted for not shopping at Walmart!

I bet a dollar to two donuts you've been there after your comment at least twice or more!

My reason for not shopping at Walmart is the following: The supplier to Walmart is at least 95% China. Child labor is used to produce low-quality junk which usually ends up in garage sales or donation centers.

Profits from Children's labor goes mostly to their military. We are funding a competitor and possible serious enemy THROUGH WALMART AND SIMILAR STORES!!!