It's an Iowa-DU double-whammy!

[Debi]

http://www.essentialestrogen.com/2007/11/former_congressman_is_iowa_sex.html

Well, Iowa DUers, what do you say? :shrug:

[youthere]

1. I agree with the author...

'My neighbor had an ugly run-in with a Hillary supporter. She told the woman she would never vote for Clinton and the supporter said "Why! Because she has a VAGINA?!"
When I said "No thanks" to a canvasser I was told to "Let them know when I stopped letting my husband think for me". I didn't plan on supporting Clinton anyway, but that would have sealed it for me.
I suppose similar themes will be spun if Obama doesn't win Iowa..that we're racist.
I don't select my candidates based on gender or the color of their skin, and most Iowans I know don't either. If that's the way the candidates themselves want to spin it, I can only see it working against them in other state primaries.
I know that I will caucus according to my conscience and if they want to call me a sexist or a racist, that's okay...I'm a big girl, I can take it, but I won't be bullied into supporting a candidate I don't trust or believe in.

[Broke Dad]

2. Re: Amen

My friend Clara Oleson has said many of the same things. She is supporting Obama.

Molly Ivins, no shrinking violet, in one her last columns wrote, "Why I am NOT supporting Hillary Clinton."

[Counciltucky]

9. Well that attitude by Hillary supporters...

...will all but ensure that Hillary won't win the Caucus. Whining doesn't go well, especially starting shit like that.

[rurallib]

3. Our state house candidate last time and looooong time worker

for women's rights, Clara Oleson, said it best: "I have worked all my life so that a woman could have a legitimate shot at running for the presidency. And this is what we get?"
I emailed the Boxer office a couple times asking her to consider running. Just being a woman is simply not enough qualification to be president.

[youthere]

5. Ain't it the truth?

I resent the implication I get sometimes from Clinton supporters that I OWE her my vote because I am female.
To be honest I would love nothing more than to have a female president...but I'm no so desperate that I'm willing to put my check next to any female on the ticket.
And I really do believe that a great deal of Hillary support is based off of her gender.

[IA_Seth]

4. My thoughts..

"Dave is also correct on another point: this political strategy is a win/win for Clinton. If Iowans don't place Clinton well on caucus night, the spin room will race into action, proclaiming that Iowans are ignorant and sexist and that no woman can win here. If Clinton does come out favorably, watch for her campaign to claim victory on behalf of all womankind, that their efforts alone have soothed the savage, sexist hearts in our state and paved the way for what should soon be our first female governor or congresswoman."

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Which wouldn't be a bad strategy to take. It may not be pretty, and it may not be completely genuine, but this is politics we're talking about! I guarantee you any of the other candidates will be doing their fair share of spinning on caucus night, and that is part of the process. Spin is just another word for perception but with a bad connotation... everyone has their own way of seeing things, politics is the art of getting others to perceive things YOUR way.

I don't think Iowa is sexist, and I don't think that if Clinton wins Iowa it'll some monumentous acheivement, but to play it that way would certainly make sense politically, no?

[Debi]

6. Dear, dear Seth...I cannot wait until January 4th

So we can have you back...:rofl:

[IA_Seth]

7. Lol!

Oh you are sooo funny!

I am still undecided, I just can't stand all the anti-Hillary shit that is posted here all the time. It's not only frustrating to read Dems trash other Dems with such venom, 80% of the time its unfounded (I'll admit there is a good 20% of her that I don't like, hence the indecision).

I don't like Edwards at all, but I don't post purely-sensational, tabloid-worthy, anti-Edwards, drivel. It just seems DU as a whole anymore is so petty that it pains me to read half the shit.

Anywho..

ON EDIT: I am probably going to be borderline breaking our Iowa Forum promise to be nice if I continue with this.

[Debi]

8. Whew....that was close!

Gotta keep the Cornfield pledge :hi:

[Counciltucky]

10. Here's the reason why women don't win in Iowa:

They don't run enough.

Let's see: in both 2004 and 2006, between Democrats and Republicans, counting primaries and everything, only ONE woman ran for Congress, albeit in both elections. And that's Joyce Schulte, a Democrat whose campaign had several problems (5th district, lack of fundraising, questionable strategy) which had virtually nothing to do with gender.

Let's throw the 2006 Gubernatorial race in there as well: one woman, Patty Judge, and her campaign wasn't able to get off the ground from the beginning, mainly because everyone already thought it was going to either Culver or Blouin.

And if Iowans are so sexist, why are Gubernatorial candidates so eager to pick a female running-mate? Aside from Bob Vander Platts, who was the last major-party nominee for Lt. Governor who wasn't female?

In the case of Hillary Clinton, it isn't a woman thing. It's a Hillary Clinton thing.