Rick Dickinson - a real class act!

[Debi]

x(

disclaimer: I was not in Dubuque at the meeting so MAYBE I'm being lied to....but......

Rick Dickinson called Bruce Braley an 'ambulance chaser' at at Dubuque gathering last night.

:eyes: guess his internal polling numbers showed Braley ahead???

Grow up Rick. :( That's just tacky :(

[blueloo]

1. I heard it too

Apparently Bruce Braley wasn't there from what I am told. Bashing a person's profession is kind of a low blow and an attempt to diminish an opponents character.

[Debi]

2. Who's character did it diminish?

I wonder how many votes Dickinson got w/that slam?

How many trial lawyers have served Iowa well in Congress? Anyone want to name a few?

One from right here in Black Hawk County comes to mind.

Guess Rick thinks Dave Nagle is nothing but an ambulance chaser as well :eyes:

Then there's Sen. Tom Harkin who's still in office (sleazy lawyer) and we can't forget Sen. John Culver (bottom feeder) or Congressman Neil Smith (rain maker):grr:

Outside of Iowa There's John Kerry (whom Dickinson says he caucused for)...John Edwards....Ohhhh Bill Clinton...Russ Feingold...Evan Bayh...Ted Kennedy (I assume then that he thought JFK and RFK were ambulance chasers as well) :rofl:...

He'll probably refuse to have Barack Obama campaign for him because he was an attorney before he was elected to the Senate...:bounce:

Okay, you probably get my point. What a stupid thing to say...and what a cowardly thing to do, attack Braley when he's not there to defend himself or his chosen profession. No class at all, Rick. None.

[6demkids]

3. Class Act?

To set the record straight I was at  the Dubuque debate. Your
quote was taken entirely out of context. The debate was video
taped and will be playing on public access.  Braley was
invited to the debate but backed out at the last minute. What
is tacky is making a commitment to a group of young Democrats
and then backing out at the last minute then spreading false
statements about what was said . That’s a class act?

[Debi]

4. Welcome to DU - hope you stay for a while

Glad you can come shed some light on the event.

Please tell us what Mr. Dickinson said about Mr. Braley. Since you were there you can share that information.

How could the term 'ambulance chaser' be taken out of context? Unless Mr. Dickinson was somehow defending Mr. Braley's chosen profession.

Please, share with me. I'd like to know.

[blueloo]

5. what?

Who said false statements were made by Bruce Braley & Co.? I doubt he has time for that.

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[IA_Seth]

7. It's those damn internets...

I always get tangled in 'em too.

[Debi]

8. And yet YOU always find your way home!

:hug: to the DU Iowa Forum :P

[6demkids]

9. Disappeared??????

Wow I did not know that having to work, spending time with the
fam, and volunteering  means that you disappear on this forum.
I guess I will have to alter my lifestyle if I ever want to be
part of the family.

[Debi]

10. Cuz no one in this forum works, spends time w/their family

or volunteers :eyes:


:nopity: Glad you made it back for one more post.

Now I gotta go - got some ambulance chasing to do....:yoiks: (okay, that's not true - I'm off to see RUSS FEINGOLD another ambulance chaser - MAN, they are EVERYWHERE!!!)


On edit:

Do you have a link to that debate yet? I'd like to watch those 'out of context' quotes.

[tiredofbush_co.]

11. I was in Dubuque...

I, for one, was in Dubuque for the debate. Here is the link. 

http://homepage.mac.com/keithbreitbach/truthiniowa1/Personal21.html

How Braley handled the debate situation was horrible.
Canceling 4 days before can be seen as turning you back on the
groups that were hosting/sponsoring the debate. Not only has
Braley turned his back on the community of Dubuque, but the
Univ. of Dubuque College Democrats, Loras College Democrats,
and Clark College Democrats. Not a smart campaign strategy if
you ask me. And community members were discussing that point
after the debate was over. I heard 90 people attended. It
seemed to be half college students and half community
members.)

The release he sent out (which can be seen in the link) is
nothing but a cry for sympathy. POOR BRALEY! In no way did
blowing this event off help his camp. If anything, it looks
bad. 

Before last week I thought Braley had a good chance of winning
the nomination. But now, I don't think so. Not if this is how
his campaign is going to be run.    

[tiredofbush_co.]

12. I have to add...

I have to add that when you are invited to a debate, confirm
you will be there, and then drop out at the last minute, it is
to be expected that you opponents are going to say something.
I mean honestly, what was Braley expecting.

And NO, that above quote is COMPLETELY out of context. At no
point did Gluba or Dickinson call him a ambulance chaser. But,
when Braley sends a teenager intern to represent his camp. To
be expected I guess. 

Dickinson simply explained that is how the Republicans would
run their campaign against him if he were to win the
nomination. All you have to do is watch the clip.   

[IA_Seth]

13. What's with the hostility?

This isn't a Braley board. And while I welcome you and appreciate new points of view, you really aren't going to win many converts coming through the way you have.

"I mean honestly, what was Braley expecting." - Well, I guess if it were me (and it's not, so don't get your panties in a bunch), I would expect civil discourse on issues instead of painting mental pictures about a candidate's career choice. This primary has had a toxic vibe for a while now, and if you look back through previous posts, it hasn't been coming (at least coming here) from the Gluba or the Braley camp.

"But, when Braley sends a teenager intern to represent his camp. To be expected I guess." - I think that quote about sums things up, right? Heaven for bid a campaign send a teenager to a college-sponsored debate, I mean goooollly, what the heck was he thinkin?

We are ALL Democrats, lets not forget that. We all want the same thing, and that is for a Democrat to win the race come November, right?

[tiredofbush_co.]

14. Not a staffer...Just a citizen

There was no way that I could just let the bashing continue. And especially since I was there and heard what the candidates (Gluba and Dickinson) said. So, I offered up my opinion and the link.

I am not a staffer for ANY candidate, therefore, I do not have any recruiting to do. I am simply a citizen in the 1st district who hates it when a site is set up based on hearsay. rumors. It bugs me tremendously!

I know this is not a Braley board. It is a Dickinson bashing board. A DEMOCRATIC candidate for congress. A bashing board for something that he didn't even do.

Painting mental pictures? Were you there?

Stop the madness, please.

[Debi]

23. "I am simply a citizen in the 1st District who hates it when a site is set

up based on hearsay. rumors. It bugs me tremendously" tiredofbush_co.

Hey, tiredofbush_co, me too!!!

example:

http://homepage.mac.com/keithbreitbach/truthiniowa1/Personal21.html

:rofl:

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[CornField]

16. Wow... I'm sure this is going to help

You know, help "DEMOCRATS COMING TOGETHER"

For the record, I know several people on this board and Debi is one of them. I know some support Blouin, others support Culver, others support Fallon and even a couple support Mohamed. I also know, without a doubt, that *ALL* of these people, come June 7, will no longer be divided by whom they do or do not support and will come together and behind the one Democratic candidate running for the governor's office.

Also for the record, I have absolutely no clue how a state discussion forum, previously a fairly peaceful place, has become such a hotbed for new members -- all holding exactly the same opinions. It seems to me as if we might have an outbreak of sock puppet syndrome which should be injected with a healthy dose of ignorarambus before it spirals out of control.

[Debi]

26. Right you are Cornfield - all together for Iowa!!!

That's the plan!!!

Now, sock puppets be gone!!!!

[tiredofbush_co.]

18. Nice points.

Very well said Walk Softly. Nice points and great info. to know.

[IA_Seth]

24. In response...

Since you decided to respond to me I thought I'd respond to you.

I had this whole long post all typed up, ready to go, that went through why you were clearly wrong about your obvious bias towards those of us that have stuck around long enough to have 1000 posts, but then I thought, why bother?

IF you actually contributed to DU you could run a search of my screen name and you could find that of my 1000+ posts a good 60% of those are probably me asking questions and learning about Iowa politics. The majority of the rest of them would be me passing along information, discussing the news of the day, and actually getting to know the people here on the board. I don't have to explain myself to you, and I am not in the least bit worried that any regular poster here is launching "scathing, undocumented" "assination" attempts. What we do is discuss Iowa politics, talk about Iowa news, compare candidates, and network.

Maybe you will stick around long enough so that you can contribute to one of those conversations and open us up to YOUR viewpoint on some issues, instead of simply attacking those of us that actually do so. I look forward to it.

[Debi]

27. Actually, Seth, 50% of those posts were you trying to get into

the District Convention!!! :rofl:

Did you go?

You missed a GREAT Feingold event!! I met rurallib & pstans & saw some old friends there (plus got to hang out w/Sen. Feingold which was SO COOL!!)

So....did ya????did ya go??????

(This would be my 150th post nagging Seth about what he did over a weekend...and I've never even met the guy!!!! :P)

[Debi]

25. Hi walk softly!

Welcome to the DU Iowa Forum :hi:

I'm certain you read the DU rules about calling members out, so I know you wouldn't intentionally break the rules of this forum nor would you spread lies or rumors about the personal lives of posters on this forum.

I heard that District Convention went very well - or did we see each other there? could you tell me since you seem to know more about my life than I do???

d.

(hey SB!! loose meat sandwiches at lunch today!! You and the teenager come over, k?)

[walk softly]

29. First District Convention

I thought I read that you were not attending First District so didn't make an effort to meet you. Would have liked talking directly, who knows once we got the bees out of bonnets, we might have even liked each other. I still think bashing democrats should be done by republicans and vice versa. I'm off to respond to a Nussle thread to do a little bashing of my own.

[Debi]

30. I will have trouble getting the bees out of my bonnet since your first

post on this board contains lies about my personal life and shows a blatant disregard of the rules of this forum.

Not the best first impression. :eyes:

[Debi]

22. !

:hi:

[Debi]

28. Hey tiredofbush_co.

Your link opens to the link of all of Keith's Dickinson campaign photos - might want to clean that up. x(

Just an FYI.

[Debi]

21. Hi Tiredof bush_co. Welcome to the DU Iowa Forum

:hi:

Thank you for posting a link to Keith Breitbach's (the manager of Rick Dickinson's congressional campaign) web site where Rick Dickinson says "...the actor that they're going to hire to chase the ambulance down the street.." Was that the quote that was taken out of context?

How many ITLA and ATLA contributions does Mr. Dickinson plan receiving after he wins the primary? I assume Rick's loath to embrace attorneys in his campaign for fear of what the republicans will do will make him return the almost $20,000 that attorneys and lobbyists have contributed to his campaign (I know that's only half of what Rick himself has loaned his campaign to keep it afloat, but come on - you can't hate what attorneys and lobbyists represent and still love the money they provide).

I'm sure I don't have to re-post the links to Keith Breitbach's consulting firm where his office represents several state Trial Lawyer associations. I guess he likes their money as well :shrug:

[walk softly]

19. YOU FORGOT ABE LINCOLN

Of course he was a Republican wasn't he? My point in joining DU and even posting a reply was an attempt to stop the ranting against Rick D. - who I am supporting for Congress. The 1st District has three great candidates running and any of them would make a fine congressman but I am concerned that a democratic blog is being used to trash any democratic candidate. In 2004 I volunteered for Bill Glib and was disheartened to see the lack of support from Democrats in the First District. We've created Jim Tussle right here in the First District - let's get together to make sure it never happens again.

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[Debi]

20. I feel so bashed and criticized that I don't know what I'll do

:cry:

Actually I know exactly what I will do. Stay right here.

I am capable (as are SEVERAL members of this forum) of having civil discussions and disagreements about which candidate to support for any given office. I am also capable of pointing out the differences between candidates (their chosen careers, their fund raising, their past political activities, contributions and votes).

Those who are incapable of this behavior ought not to waste the time of the competent posters in this forum. You know who you are!!!

I want to be VERY clear on one point. I am married to a trial lawyer - I am proud of the work he does as a trial lawyer. I will defend the work that trial lawyers do as it is an important service to their clients and to the protection of those who need defense and representation. (how many economic development directors, Realtors and retired railroad workers & teachers are going to appear in court on behalf of an injured individual or wrongly accused defendant?) There are trial lawyers whom I don't particularly like (hello Tom Vilsack) and there a trial lawyers who are in the job just to make a buck and don't give a damn about their clients (imagine a composite of John Grisham characters). But the term 'ambulance chaser' is derogatory and disrespectful and can IN NO WAY be seen as anything less than a swipe at trial lawyers.

I welcome all the new people to the Iowa forum from this 1000+ poster and hope to keep posting back and forth with you after June 6th. :hi:

[Debi]

31. Where did all these crickets come from????

:shrug:

[rurallib]

32. Wow I avoided this thread because it is not my district

Got a civil war going on here? Sounds like some folks might have been getting personal. Isn't that Karl Rove tricks?
Hope the governor chatter stays civil. I see two great choices and one good choice. Whoever it is I'd vote for Lassie before Nussle. Lassie would help get Timmy out of the well, Nussle would have Timmy arrested for trespassing on private property.

[IA_Seth]

33. Ha!

You crack me up. Hey once again, it was good meeting you on Saturday and look forward to seeing you again at State.

Yeah this thread got a little heated. It's funny because I went back through and read all of the old 1st district threads a lot of them ended up the same way. Too bad. One thing I did notice is that Debi actually STARTED at least 2-3 threads that informed us all about when/where Dickinson would be, etc. No "undocumented, scathing" "assination" attempts that I saw, but hey who am I?

At least its over..cooperscoop...oh, whoops...the new blood around here should do us some good.

[Debi]

35. Yes, Seth, I'm an equal opportunity offender!! n/t

[Debi]

34. No No No

Nussle would ship Timmy's job overseas thanks to NAFTA-CAFTA-GATT and then cut spending on any programs that would help Timmy get by while he retrained for a different (lower paying) job all while sleeping w/Timmy's wife and letting Timmy believe that he keeps getting her pregnant even though they sleep in different rooms!!! THAT'S JIM NUSSLE!!! :thumbsup:

[rurallib]

36. All in all I would say a fine analysis.

I believe you left out the part where Nussle cuts off Medicare and Medicaid for Timmy's parents who then die agonizing deaths.

[Debi]

38. But Bill Frist insists they are still alert and

able to care for themselves. :eyes:

[Hardrada]

37. O, hi everyone, I just got here!

I was out of state and come back to see I've missed rather a dust-up. And I've also been over on more rad boards as we seek to initiate real democracy rather than electing bourgeois recipients of corporate capitalist bribes.

:D

[Debi]

39. Stop talking about Brian Kennedy like that!!!

;)

[Counciltucky]

40. CLARIFICATION...

Alright, I don't live in the 1st District, but I have a friend who's "in the know" -- she told me that what happened, if I understood her right, is that Dickinson said that the Republicans had hired an "ambulance chaser" for commercials to bash Braley if he won the primary. If I'm correct, Dickinson was basically implying that the Republicans wouldn't be able to bash him like they would Braley.

[Debi]

41. My point to the Dickinson campaign is this....

Tell me how Rick Dickinson could use the term "ambulance chaser" or "hired an actor to chase the ambulance" in any way OTHER than derogatory toward Trial Lawyers? If you go to Keith Breitbach's link up-thread (he's posting as a concerned citizen who just happens to have access to the Rick Dickinson campaign manager's private files) you can actually watch Dickinson bash Bill Gluba's ability to will elections and use the "chase the ambulance" line about Braley.

Dickinson has no problem receiving contributions from attorneys - that shows in his FEC filings - he didn't turn away a single contribution from a lawyer. Dickinson has no problem supporting Trial Lawyers who run for higher office - he has stated that he was a proud early supporter of John Kerry and that he actually caucused for Kerry.

You can try to say that Dickinson knows that Braley can't beat a republican candidate because he's a Trial Lawyer except that rationale doesn't fly as our Governor is a Trial Lawyer who beat a repulican (2x) in order to serve. Our current Senator Tom Harkin is a Trial Lawyer (who has been serving in office for the last twenty-some years). The man who represented the old 3rd District in Congress is a Trial Lawyer (the first Democrat elected over here in 58 years and the ONLY Democrat re-elected to represent the District - twice) and the current ASSHOLE allegedly representing this district is a trial lawyer....yep, Jim Nussle - republican - was the Delaware County Attorney and a member of the Trial Lawyers Association when he ran for office against Eric Tabor in 1990. Obviously Trial Lawyers CAN win elections.

Dickinson's comments were meant solely to bash Bruce Braley and were tacky - no matter what context he attempts to place them in - using derogatory terms about another person is totally inappropriate.

(I obviously take this personally and am not directing my venom at you. I just don't believe that Dickinson's behavior should be defended - think of other derogatory terms commonly used about people, even if out of context, are they ever appropriate to use? Aren't we supposed to be better than that? Shouldn't we expect more from the person who is going to be our representative in Washington?)

[Hardrada]

42. Rick usually speaks in generalities and platitudes.

These actually can work if you elevate them by means of Churchillian prose (which in turn is modeled on Thomas Babington Macaulay, of course) but this quote (or misquote) would seem to one of the rare instances where he gets specific. And look how it seems to have misfired! Actually though, such a blanket derogatory term is just another generality!! We must all seek to avoid them since they are inherently illogical in most popular uses, i.e., generalizing from the part to the whole or vice versa.

[Debi]

44. Like he used this generality in a press release the week before

the Iowa Federation of Labor COPE Convention where the different unions decided who to endorse for the primary???

http://www.qctimes.net/articles/2006/03/24/news/local/doc44239174dd01f192948097.txt

Just something the Dickinson campaign 'ran into' during the campaign?

Didn't change a thing, in fact the Iowa Fed members who had already endorsed Braley defended his work.

Braley received the endorsement and Dickinson had egg on his face.

You've been involved in enough of the past threads on this board to know that this seems to be the only thing Dickinson can say about Braley "but....but....but...he's a Trial Lawyer!!"

So what?

Now Dickinson staff members are calling people in other counties telling them 'Don't support Bruce Braley, he didn't show up to a debate."

Why not use staff time and long distance charges to do some good instead of throw mud?

God, is it June 6th yet???

[Hardrada]

46. D-Day!!

[walk softly]

43. I'm sorry

you take this discussion so personally. I know the feeling since I feel just as passionately about my choice of Rick Dickinson as the candidate for First District Democratic. If you watch the tape that Mr. Breitbach made available (and it seems you have), you will see a spirited debate between Mr Gluba and Mr Dickinson re their experience - their credentials for running for office. Both have experience in local government, and the Iowa Legislature. It would have been helpful for debate attendees to hear Bruce's credentials. He has espoused the term trial lawyer and is proud of the work he's done (and well he should be). However, when the majority of his contributions come from lawyers outside of the First District you can bet Republicans will single him out. Look at what they tried to do with John Edwards.
First District needs to elect a Democrat !!

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[walk softly]

47. three things

First of all, I've never insinuated Bruce was anything other than a Democrat and a fine gentleman that I like very much. Thanks for the info re his contributions.
Second, I referred to the link provided by Tired of Bush for others to see the debate and have no idea how you construe anything to indicate that Breitbach may be posting, and no I am not working for the Dickinson campaign. However, after this I may volunteer.
Third, I did try to use the email but DU would not accept. Perhaps we should all start at the beginning of the thread where I took exception to your remarks re Rick Dickinson. If I didn't know the rules then I certainly do now. There is no benefit to anyone in trying to carry on here.

[Debi]

48. Why would I construe that Dickinson's campaign manager was posting

who else would have access to Keith Breitbach's Dickinson campaign files? Please look at the link.

About emails, or Private Message as they are called on this forum. If you had read the rules before you started posting - which I believe you have to say that you DID read the rules and agreed to abide by the rules before receiving your account ID and start posting (I'd hate to think you lied...AGAIN). After an unknown amount of posts you can PM other members on this board. However, if you look at my profile you'll see that I have an IM address as well that you could contact me on if you don't want our conversations broadcast on this web or on the internet. All you had to do was what you should have done at the beginning - obey the rules.

As for my OP, I took exception to Mr. Dickinson's comments about a Trial Lawyer. That has not changed and will not change. Saying derogatory things about a Trial Lawyer will not win my support, only my ire.

[tiredofbush_co.]

49. Living in a land of delusion?

So, I have used the link I provided way back in the beginning of this horrendous conversation about 4 times now. And watched the video each time. I really do not understand where you are getting your position from, Debi. You are trying to run with a issue that you have seemed to dream up. You got caught up in a issue that really is nonexistent.

All Rick does is explains that the Republicans will run with the fact that he is a trail lawyer. Period. End of statement. Nothing more.

And for the Dickinson staff member issue...
He really did not show up to that debate (that is is not dreamed up, FYI). He knew that was going to be thrown into his face, he made that decision anyways.

I am with Walk Softly on this one. After seeing this conversation...I definitely WILL be volunteering for Dickinson.

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[tiredofbush_co.]

52. Identity crisis!?!?!?!?

The reason I reply is because I will not let your lies and rumors that you seem to enjoy spreading go on without debate.

And I am definitely NOT who you think I am. I am NOT this Keith person who you keep referring to. Nor do I work/volunteer for the Dickinson campaign yet. But I certainly want to/will.

If anything, people see through this "BS."

[Debi]

53. Okay, if you say you're not this 'Keith person'

and you don't work/volunteer for the Dickinson campaign please tell us all here how you got the link to Keith's mac account?

Since the link specifically states that "THIS WEBSITE HAS BEEN CREATED FOR THE SUPPORTERS OF THE RICK DICKINSON FOR CONGRESS CAMPAIGN AND ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN THE TRUTH ABOUT IOWA'S FIRST DISTRICT CONGRESSIONAL CAMPAIGN" and isn't linked to the Rick Dickinson for Congress web site AND didn't get emailed to people like the regular emails from the campaign that only a few (if any) people outside of the campaign received the link. How did you come by it? Just lucky? Just full of crap?

I'm certain that anyone who has posted back and forth with me on this site for any period of time knows when I'm spewing BS and when I'm having it thrown at me. I wonder which is occurring from you?!

Please do volunteer for the campaign - please help all Democrats get elected. That is what we are all working for, wouldn't you agree?

[IA_Seth]

51. Ok ok..

This will be my last post in an obvious no-win thread.

To exaggerate the issue and make it a little clearer, I will give you a few examples of what would be a similar situation:

John McGruff (Scruff's cousin) is running for Congress. He is a police officer. His opponent, thinking the rival party would use his career against him, says "they've already hired the guy to put on a pig costume". Ha freakin Ha. That only fuels the rival's fire and propogates a derogatory term.

John Gonzales is running for Congress. He is from a family of immigrants of Mexican ancestry. His opponent, thinking the rival party would use his immigrant and racial status against him, says "they've already purchased the sombrero for the ads". Again, not at all funny, and just as ignorant.

You see, what Dickinson said may very well have been a serious attempt to convey to the audience that the Republicans would use his choosen career against him. But what Dickinson did was help propogate an inaccurate stereotype, and validate the possibility that the Republicans would use his career choice against him. It should have never come out of his mouth, and if it was brought up at all it should have been shot down as a non-issue. As Debi has pointed out to you, a few times, there have been plenty of successful Trial Lawyers in politics both in Iowa and on a national level.

I hope you can at least say that you see where Dickinson's comments were ill-advised, if not foolish...but I am not going to waste my time any further trying to make you see.

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[Bluzmann57]

55. And now for something completely different...

Hello fellow Iowans. Seems that things are getting heated in this thread. Me? Think I'm leaning toward homeboy, Bill Gluba but Braley and Dickinson are good candidates as well. Check out extreme longshot Denny Heath. He has some interesting ideas. I think his website is www.heathforcongress.com or something like that. I'll find out and get back to you all. Have a great day. Or evening. And in closing, GO CUBS!
On edit- the correct web address for Denny Heath is simply www.dennyheath.com. Just in case anyone's interested.

[6demkids]

56. WOW......

Take a few days off and this thing blows up.
Too much ground has been covered since I was last here to go back and make all the points I would like to.
I think that the heart of the issue is that when a candidate has raised over 80% or more of his money from one special interest group and the members of that group who have given are over 95% from outside of the district it is fair to call that to light.
If its trial lawyers or dog catchers it raises the queston ; Are they trying to buy this district?

I guess the difference that I see between Braley and the many trial lawyers who you have listed are that before seeking federal level office they had experiance in governing other then Edwards.
Braley has not even seen fit to vote in the last three primaries. Heck he did not even vote for Dave Nagle when the DCCC backed the former Repug. from the Quad cities in that race.

Man primaries are a pain in the *&^%

[Debi]

59. Did Dickinson hand out talking points? Because that is the same BS

that 'other' posters tried last summer against Braley (look through the archives in this forum if you don't remember your posts)

Why would Trial Lawyers be trying to buy the first district? Braley hasn't changed his tune since getting Trial Lawyer money - he has kept a steady stance on his positions from the very beginning (and doesn't change his tune dependent upon which county he's speaking in either). Bruce did serve as President of the Iowa Trial Lawyers Association which is quite an honor and shows respect for Bruce from his peers. Why should he shoot down support and assistance from the very people who entrusted him to govern their association?

So what that Braley hasn't been elected to legislative office before? Dave Nagle hadn't either and served three terms in the United States Congress - are you saying he did a poor job? Dickinson has served in the Iowa Legislature - that's a far cry from the United States Congress and he will be on as much of a learning curve as anyone elected from this District.

Really, if Rick doesn't like lawyers so much and doesn't like out of District and out of state money - why does he accept it? It's only okay for Dickinson to receive these contributions, but not any of the other candidates? Again, Dickinson says one thing and does another - what kind of leadership and integrity is that? Will Rick also give back all of his contributions from republican contributors? Or are they okay?

So, let's re-cap: Braley should not take money from Trial Lawyers, should not take money from anyone out of the District or out of the State. Braley can't win because he IS a Trial Lawyer and can't win a Congressional race because he didn't serve in a prior public office. HOWEVER, Dickinson can accept contributions from anyone he wants, lawyers, lobbyists, out of District, out of state, EVEN out of country, and of course republican contributors as well. Dickinson (who has never run for Congress) will be able to win because - unlike Dave Nagle, who served in Congress for three terms - he is NOT a Trial Lawyer and has served in a lower public office. Gotcha. :thumbsup:

Oh, and unless you have access to the VAN - how would you know Braley's voting record? But only staff members of the Iowa Democratic Party, County Chairs and staff members of those running for office are allowed access to the VAN. But you aren't any of those are you? :eyes:

[Hardrada]

57. At the Democratic District Convention in Peosta, more problems!

Denny Heath took pains to insult and demean TRAIL LAWYERS and someone in the group got up and shouted "Shut up! Shut up!" and one attorney in attendance walked out for the duration of Heath's speech.

[Debi]

60. The person who shouted 'Shut Up' was the Black Hawk County Chair

and is also a Trial Lawyer. I don't know how the people who demean and use derogatory comments about Trial Lawyers in this primary plan on asking for their support in the general. What :shrug: gonna tell them you were just kidding?

[Hardrada]

61. My wife was there. I told her after she mentioned what had gone on

that Heath seems to be a time-waster and has odd libertarian ideas for a democrat. I had to defeat one of those flat tax no government types in a primary years ago. Why do those types always try to creep into the Dem party and not the other ones. Probably because they are have not found Jesus yet.

[Debi]

65. Person to person Denny is pretty nice. He and his wife are easy to get

along with.

I don't blame him for running in 2002 - after redistricting everybody has the same chances of winning to a point - new district, new faces and attitudes. He ran in 2004 because he was unhappy about Gluba's stance against women's reproductive health care rights, that also made sense and Gluba actually LOST to Heath up here in Black Hawk County. I don't get his running as an Independent, but to each his own, I guess.

This year makes no sense at all. Yes, both Gluba and Dickinson don't believe in a woman's right to make her own reproductive health care decisions, but Braley does.

He could say it's because he's anti-lawyer, but Gluba and Dickinson have come out as anti-lawyer (except for lawyer money..they LOVE lawyer money). AND how can he run as a Democrat when he was anti-Democrat in the 2004 General election? Why didn't he just run on the No Party ticket this fall? I guess, since he got enough signatures to be on the ballot he has the right to run. I'm just disappointed in what he's done.

Again, he's always been nice and polite to me - never heard the anti-lawyer rants in 2002 or 2004. Just gotten weird this cycle.

[Hardrada]

68. You can't get on the teevee if you're a Flat Earth Party Member

or a Revolutionary Communist Red Star Party member either.

[Debi]

58. Darn Cubs - will break your heart every time.

Bluzmann - Denny is certainly a wild card in this race. This is the third time he's run in a primary in the First District (second time against Gluba). In the 2004 election, after Gluba won the primary, Heath ran as an Independent. Now he's back as a Democrat - no one knows how much money he has or how much he has spent b/c he hasn't filed with the FEC - which I think may create problems for him in the future.

[6demkids]

62. holy cow

Again you are missing the point. I dont know how simply it has to be put, it is not the fact that Braley accepts out of district trial lawyer money it is that he is almost wholely financed with out of district trial lawyer money. His money from within the district is minimal almost as if he was inable to raise any money from from the people he expects to send to DC.

True Dave Nagel had not held office prior to being elected. I dont know if you are aware, but he WAS the head of the IDP though. Im sure he cared enough about the party to vote in every primary prior to running.

As far as being a staffer that is laughable. You seem to have a lot of inside info. Are you a Braley staffer????

[IA_Seth]

63. Read post 51....

And try to respond to it, will ya?

I think it is you who is missing the point.

[Debi]

64. Dave Nagle was Chair of the IDP? When was that? How do you know that?

Are you certain Nagle voted in EVERY primary? I didn't know the VAN went back that far, how far does it go back?

For the record (uh oh, lawyer talk) I am not a Braley staffer, I also don't have information to the Iowa Democratic Party's private records that you seem to have acces to - would you PLEASE tell me how you got Braley's voting record?

++++

I started making a list of all the Trial Lawyers in the district that have contributed to Braley and then stopped - you can get their names and addresses from www.fec.gov. I realised that your argument was self-defeating. You are saying that Braley doesn't have any support w/in the District. Okay, then why are you worried that he will beat Dickinsonin the primary? I mean, if Braley doesn't have the support to win you should be happy. :shrug: Doesn't make any sense....unless Braley has District-wide support and Dickinson can't get any help outside of Dubuque County - which by HIS reportings seems to be more of the case.

[blueloo]

66. Take the high road

and stop bashing Braley.

[Debi]

67. Isn't it about 55 posts too late for that?

And why do my posts keep getting deleted? Am I getting under their skin?

[Lithos]

69. Locking

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