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coda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 06:43 AM
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Preachers take 'war' to Topeka

Posted on Sun, Nov. 07, 2004

Preachers take 'war' to Topeka

BY ROY WENZL

The Wichita Eagle


What happened in May ticked off pastors Joe Wright and Terry Fox. They felt belittled, rejected.

Legislators rejected their plea to put an amendment to a statewide vote that would have defined marriage as being between one man and one woman.


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So, the two pastors cleared their schedules and drove Kansas for months, pleading with church leaders to get evangelical Christians to vote in November.

They succeeded.


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Fox gave close to 100 interviews to radio stations and newspapers. He and Wright went to 40 towns and cities.

The sparks began to fly, Wright said. A flood of calls and e-mails came, offering help. Everywhere they went--Parsons, Emporia, Manhattan, Hutchinson and elsewhere--pastors turned out in dozens to meet, make plans and listen to coaching about how to preach without crossing the legal line that sparks IRS interest. Wright and Fox's lawyers helped coach them: don't criticize or endorse any candidate; just tell people to vote. Wright told people: "You know whom to vote for."


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Statewide, Wright said, everything meaningful that has been rejected by courts, legislators and liberals could come up for debate now: prayer in schools, evolution, the Ten Commandments displayed in public buildings.



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http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/10119640.htm




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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 06:48 AM
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1. Big part of "what's wrong with Kansas", to steal from Tom Franks' book. nt
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 06:50 AM
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2. They are not going to stop until we stop them.
An initiative is needed to petition the Vatican for a papal directive that advises priests to stay out of the political affairs of this country. We need every mainstream religious organization and council to do likewise.
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Maccagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 07:27 AM
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3. If they want a war
They've got one.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 07:29 AM
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4. It's about time.........
to start enforcing the separation of Church and State rules in this country. Start taxing these holy steam rollers and keep them out of political affairs. Like this will ever happen during the Bush Administration. You know, God's chosen ones. :eyes: This country is going down a very slippery slope toward Theocracy. We now have our own version of the Taliban, and they're harboring a mass murderer as well; George Bush. I wonder how long it will be before some country decides to invade us to bring our own "evil doers" to justice?
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 09:31 AM
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5. November 2nd won't be enough for the fundamentalists.
Banning gay marriage is the beginning. They have a list.

First, they want other means to discriminate against gays and want burden them (putting it politely) and their lifestyle as much as they legally can. Then, they want to discriminate against other groups such as secularists, humanists, atheists, etc.

Eventually, it will be like Martin Niemoller, where because nobody spoke up against discrimination against groups to which they didn't belong, the fundamentalists will go after Catholics and mainline (non-fundamentalist) Christians for blasphemy.

Finally, they have a social agenda where they return this country to a society where a family is a married couple (one man, one woman) with children, who go to church every Sunday, mother stays at home, the children don't engage in premarital sex, and schools teach civics (that is, citizens should never question their government).

I'll go one step further, if an unmarried woman gets pregnant, she will be unable to get an abortion that is medically safe in this country. If she tries to leave the country, she will be forced to take a pregnancy test at the airport, at the border, etc. and turned back. I can see the limitless possibilities to make women second class citizens who purpose is to breed.
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DuaneBidoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 12:28 PM
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8. You've described a fraction of their horrific agenda
They will begin to ask for complete censorship of the airwaves, and the teaching of creationism (instead of science) in the classroom. They will expect everyone in class to pray THEIR prayers. They also want to not just discriminate against people no-faith, but people of differing faiths as well (Muslims, Buddhists, etc.).

Study some of the terrible things that happened back when these people ruled Americans (such as the pograms against the Mormons in Indiana) or the attacks on Catholics in east coast public schools when Catholics objected to the protestant religion being taught in class.

Their agenda is a future of violence, strife, and conflict. They are, in essence, Christo-Fascists, and it's time to start calling it what it is.
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atommom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 10:58 AM
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6. I see this happening all over the place. Those of us who aren't fundies
are going to have a hell of a fight on our hands for the next few years!
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DuaneBidoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 11:56 AM
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7. I'm was born in Kansas, it can't be fixed
We face a national fight against the Christo-Fascists. Funny that the first thing Bush announced as his agenda was a flat tax and privatizing social security? Where'd the Gay marriage thing go? They are idiots these Christo-fascists, but they will stop at nothing. Dems must pursues states agendas in the opposite direction in blue states, they may be unstoppable in red states.
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