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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 10:39 AM
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Tell Me About Your Governor
I'm from Florida, but from the little I've heard of Governor Sebelius she sounds great. I'm thinking about her because with all the buzz over Hillary's announcement, people are asking if the country is ready for a female president. I think we are, but Clinton isn't the one. I'm kind of thinking Sebelius is.

Here is what I know about Governor Sebelius

* She's won in an unabashedly red state without being a DINO. The same people who elected Sam Throwback, Uh, Brownback - elected her
* She's been named one of the nation's top governors by TIME magazine
* She's handsome. Looks shouldn't matter, but they do. Her looks won't be an issue because she isn't cute and she isn't ugly. Furthermore, just looking at her, she inspires confidence.
* Married for 31 years with two sons. Again, shouldn't be an issue, but people look at that.

Questions -
Is she really a good progressive or at least moderate?
Does she ever seem wishy-washy on issues?
Does she have charisma?
Is there a chance we could get her to run?
Do we want her to run?
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 11:45 AM
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1. Kathleen Sebelius
is the daughter of John Gilligan, who was governor of Ohio in the early 1970's. I have met her several times at various political events, and I would not call her charismatic, but she's pleasant and likable. She also served in the Kansas State House for several terms and was the state's Insurance Commissioner before she ran for governor. So she has a through background in elected politics.

She's done an excellent job as governor, keeping the Republican dominated legislature well in line, passing good bills on such things has education. She knows how to get things done in a truly bipartisan manner.

She would probably make a wonderful President, but 2008 is too early for her to run, in my opinion. Her current term will end in 2010 -- she just won re-election overwhelmingly (Republicans had no one of stature willing to run against her) and she's term-limited and can't run again that year. It's very possible that her next career move will be to run for the Senate. Sam Brownback, the KS senator whose term expires then has said he won't run for re-election that year. He has announced he's running for President himself. But he's extremely right wing, and for what my opinion is worth I don't see him as having any chance at all of getting the nomination.

Kathleen is a smart and shrewd politician. If she chooses to run it will be only after she determines that she has a realistic chance of winning. Back when she was considering running for Governor I got one of those phone surveys that basically asked me if I'd ever heard of the current insurance commissioner and how likely would I be to vote for her. She'll do similar groundwork prior to any presidential run. She surrounds herself with competent people. She has twice gotten prominent Republicans to change parties to run with her for Lt. Governor of the state, most recently the man who'd been state chair of the Republican Party. That tells you a great deal about her ability to reach out to people.

I have told her personally that I hope she runs for President.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 02:49 PM
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2. I don't really care for her
Maybe I am not a good progressive. I sit here and wonder 'what difference does it make that I have a Democratic Governor?' and my answer is that I do not know. Here's what I mostly hear from her:

1) she wants legalized gambling in Kansas - it's probably offensive to the people who enjoy their gambling, but to me that is just a tax on the poor and stupid. It appeals to people's greed. They wanna get rich playing roulette or something. She says it will raise tax revenues, but myself I'd be more in favor of legalized marijuana.

2) top to bottom audit of State government eliminating waste and fraud - Not a bad thing, but I expect Republicans and DLCers to be the ones harping about 'government waste'.

3) Balanced the budget without a tax increase - see above. Sounds Republican to me. Kansas income taxes are not nearly progressive enough for my tastes. A person making $5,250 in Kansas has to pay income taxes. We pay sales taxes on our food.

4) State employees (like the new AG) do not make enough money - He makes $100,000 a year. Is it really a priority to get him more money? What about a tax cut for somebody like me who only makes $10,000 a year and has to pay state income taxes on his retirement contributions? What about extending the Homestead credit and the Food sales tax refund to low income people, like myself, who do not have kids and are not over 55?

I am glad Shallenburger is not governor, but I thought about voting for Barnett. Quickly changed when his top issues was 'tax cuts for the rich'. I will have to read Sheila's post, but I wonder what she has done that is progressive.
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beyurslf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 03:01 PM
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3. Gov. Sebelius works with a Republican Legislature in
a conservative state. She can't come out as a blazing liberal wanting to legalize pot or drastically changing the tax code to a more progressive tax system. I think she has done a wonderful job of balancing the interests of most Kansans, including the poor and middle class, with those of the Republicans who control the state government. Their majorities are not small. The Senate's in veto-proof and the House's is almost veto-proof. The concealed carry law was passed after a veto vote overrode her veto.
She'd make an excellent President in 2012 or later (or VP should a man win the nomination in 2008)
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 03:55 PM
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4. She could propose something progressive
All you seem to be saying is that a Democrat needs to be a moderate Republican to be elected in Kansas, or at least to talk like a moderate Republican. I'd rather have a Democrat, and a Democrat from the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party for President and for Governor. Republican ideas suck and when supposed Democrats start adopting Republican talking points it just weakens the whole progressive movement. The Republican Noise Machine is already singing those songs, and we need to get our own songs out, not have our leaders singing Republican tunes.

She could promote 'tax reform' and hide progressive ideas behind neutral slogans, defining tax reform in such a way that lower income people get tax cuts and higher income people get tax increases. If she uses her bully pulpit to promote a tax cut are Republicans going to vote against it?

Look what Morrison is proposing, and he's not even a Democrat. It irks me that Sebelius will propose a salary increase for a person making $100,000 and not consider reducing taxes for the working poor. Hasn't even tried that I am aware of. It does not have to be a drastic change. Even a baby step, or an attempt, would be appreciated by me.
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 03:24 AM
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7. I know where you're coming from
but you've also got to remember that we liberals, progressives, enlightened ones, whatever you want to call us are outnumbered by moderates. In most large cities on either coast the populations tend to vote Democratic. Here, the larger population centers have voted Republican over the years. There are exceptions like Wyandotte and Douglas.

I have different problems with gambling but mine are directed more toward tribal gambling. So far, the local tribes have done pretty well in keeping more notorious elements out of their gambling establishments. My concern is environmental. The sudden impact of thousands of extra cars a week traveling through areas of animal habitats and old trails. There's extra trash, a greater demand on clean water, more water-related waste (from bathrooms, restaurants and kitchens), increased CO2 emissions from cars. Then there is a socio-economic costs. fwiw, my husband has gone to casinos about three times in the last seven years. I've gone too, but I don't gamble. I'll eat and watch people but I don't gamble.

I don't think going after waste and fraud are just associated with Republicans and DLC'ers. I consider myself a liberal. Okay, an old hippie liberal type. I worry about the environment first and foremost. Without a habitable world, everything else is moot. I used to work on the KU campus and have seen the Facility & Operations people take usable computers, furniture (wood cabinets, wood desks, metal desks) to the dump and bulldozed in millions of pieces. Why couldn't those computers be wiped clean and given to schools or the furniture be donated to organizations? Why not auction them off? Besides, if there is a crack down on waste and fraud there will be more money available to fund things like more teachers, better equipment in our schools, going back to free education rather than paying all these school fees for things like music and sports.

Also, fwiw, when Gore was VP he oversaw the "Reinventing Government" or "REGO" initiative. I remember him on Letterman talking about how ridiculous some governmental regulations were at the time. Gore had an ashtray with him and he told Dave that government regulations mandated that glass ashtrays could not break into more than seven pieces. He broke the ashtray and sure enough, it broke into only seven pieces. Gore said because the regulations were so strict there was only one company that even bothered to make such ashtrays. As a result, the government was paying a lot more for ashtrays than they would if there were open bids for ashtrays that would break into a few more pieces. In other words, REGO was basically a program that cut down on "waste and fraud."

Under REGO, another benefit was that paperwork decreased as forms were updated and computerized. Electronic government filings have cut down on a lot of paperwork and made the government more accessible. It also made possible things like electronic deposits for social security checks. So, if this is the type of stuff that Sebelius is referring to, than I am all for it. A government that works for the people by making it more accessible and less corrupt is, imho, a better way to go. It is also more economically efficient. For example, the secretary of state's office processes information for their databases on corporations. By being able to do it electronically, it saves taxpayer money. Maybe there are offices that are using inefficient technology or software that has compatibility problems across various formats, if the problem isn't taken care of, it is waste. A state employee's time is wasted transferring information manually instead of doing constituent services like helping those who don't understand the system. Money saved, means money not spent which means there is no need for tax increases.

On the other hand, if someone like Connie Morris tries to take a high cost trip and claim it is part of her job, I think that's called fraud. If there are textbooks that were recommended as meeting the old KSBOE standards because they pander to creationism then I consider that's fraud. If an audit uncovers that a certain vendor is being used even though there are better pricing options on the same type/equivalent equipment (with suitable maintenance contracts and what-not), then maybe there's fraud going on. It happens. Even on small scales it can be costly over time. Then again, I'm a good old-fashioned, anti-fascist, hippie liberal-type. I

As for salaries. A good attorney can make more in private practice than they can in public service. Why not up the salary and encourage more qualified people to run? Consider something else too: once you throw your hat into the ring for public office your whole life changes. The life of your family changes. You're instant fodder for every feces thrower out there. You never know what nutbag is ready to jump out and reinterpret or create history. As a professional, like a lawyer, you also risk losing clients. And clients are your livelihood. Sure, you can bounce back, but for a good while your employment prospects might not look real good.

You've got to remember that Wichita is still a midwest conservative city where alcohol is still more socially acceptable than pot. It's the same way in Topeka and the greater KC area. There are pockets of pot smokers everywhere. It really isn't that big of deal in some circles. I know a lot of pot smokers. I smoke once in a while especially when it's available. I would love to see it made legal. I would venture to guess that the number of alcohol-related deaths would drop substantially. If it were taxed, the state could do away with sales taxes. Besides, legalizing pot would free up the legal system and let a lot of people get out of jail and back with their families. Imagine, overnight, there would be Kansas "farmers" on every block. Farm values would sky rocket.

What I'd like to see is Sebelius push for a reformation in our state's election laws. Of particular interest to me are state standards, regulation, testing, contracts as they pertain to voting machines and paper ballots. Just as important are the state's governmental ethics reports as they relate to the election laws. There have been too many prank/harassing phone calls, there have been suspicious mailings, people operating as PACs without having to register or account for their spending or their funding. We also need to know who is getting campaign funding from whom. We just need to tighten our state's PAC regulations and post them on-line.

I'd also like to see a real push for green energy and recycling. We've got some real problems in the future with the shrinking water aquifers that water crops across Kansas. We've got dwindling supplies and what is being tapped is being contaminated with herbicides, pesticides, antibiotics, and other chemicals from farming and ranching. These things are leeching into our water supplies. We need to shore up our water quality departments and make sure they are doing accurate TMDL testing in the proper seasons and that they are going to different levels to capture things like the heavier compounds in chemicals. It is affecting our food supply.

My impossible dream would be for an actual representational legislature. One that is based more on a parliamentary system rather than our two party system. I'd like to have larger districts but the same numbers elected. As an example, let's say that Douglas, Jefferson and Osage counties are grouped together. The number of, say, total elected officials before the grouping was 12 (made up number). So, in this region the voters get to elect 12 people based on the percentage of overall vote. If a party wins 30% of the vote their top four vote getters would be elected. If a socially liberal but fiscally conservative party got 50% of the vote they would get 6 seats. I think it would encourage a wider spectrum of candidates, especially if you put into place some sort of campaign caps. I think it would also encourage more people to participate because there would actually be candidates who would win. There could be an actual liberal wing of the Democratic party, a RW fundie party, there could be a socially liberal but fiscally conservative party. Then again, there could be an extremely silly party. But imagine getting a whole group of people who don't vote because they don't like the candidates out voting and actually getting enough votes to help effectuate a real representational government. I know, it's late.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 05:35 PM
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5. I think she is awesome
but she is not ready for the presidency yet. I would rather see her run for Robert's seat in 2010.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 05:58 PM
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6. Roberts is up in 2008, Brownback in 2010
People here think Brownback is more vulnerable, plus it would mean she finishes her Governor term instead of making a Republican Governor.
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 03:52 AM
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8. How I see it
You asked Is she really a good progressive or at least moderate?

She was elected because her GOP opponent was from the RW-agenda filled wing of the Republican party. The moderate GOP candidate lost in the primary. So, the contest was between RWingnut and a moderate Dem.

As for Brownback, it's on us. We really weren't organized like we are today in 2002. Those of us who post here and other liberally oriented sites were in the minority of Americans seeing through the GOP BS in 2002. We didn't have much of a ground game and our Democratic candidate was woefully underfunded. It just seemed like a no-win proposition at the time. Brownback won because he was a Republican incumbent running with a background of terrorism fears.

Does she ever seem wishy-washy on issues?
She's taken some unpopular stands. She vetoed an abortion regulation bill and there was a failed attempt to override it. She also vetoed the conceal and carry law but was overridden by the legislature. She's stood her ground a number of times. Her appointments have been more toward filling a position with the most qualified yet low/no-damage agenda driven people.

Does she have charisma?

She is delightful. I was at a function at the Governor's Mansion for delegates to the DNC. It was supposed to be an informal, cook-out event. We were each greeted to the people's house by Kathleen herself. She shook our hands and told us where every thing was. She was charming. Shortly after we arrived it started to sprinkle. Kathleen disappeared and the next glimpse I got of her was running around outside helping to move the party inside. She pitched right in and was as down-to-earth as anyone.

She has charmed many in the Republican party. She's got charisma.

Is there a chance we could get her to run?

Personally, I think she needs to stay here. For one thing, her Lt. Governor is the former GOP State Party Chairman who switched and recently became a Democrat. Besides, I believe she would do us well to serve out her term and then run for the US Senate in 2010. Roberts will be thoroughly disgraced and either out of the race or extremely vulnerable. She could pick up that seat very easily. By that time, Parkinson will be a completely converted Democrat.


Do we want her to run?

No. The corporate media won't like her. Roberts has been a fairly frequent guest on the talking head shows. Russert has been easy on the old man. They don't like it when a Democrat replaces one of their Republican buddies. Besides, the more liberal press will jump all over her like they did Boyda. They want a liberal Democrat when what we have is a fiscally conservative, socially liberal Democratic governor. I like her a lot and I don't want to see her get eviscerated on the national stage. She's got a lot of good yet to do and running either as a presidential or VP candidate isn't what she needs to do politically right now. At least, that's my opinion.
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Big Unit Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 08:00 PM
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9. Very Perceptive
These are very perceptive comments, Mabus. I agree with you that we need her to stay Governor. She is the best party-builder I have seen in decades. More importantly, she has a real chance in the last 2 years of her second term to change Kansas for the better - to leave behind a legacy of progressive change - as evidenced by her recent State of the State speech wherein she advocated universal health coverage. If we can elect in 2008 a dozen moderates from either party to the Kansas House in seats currently held by neo-cons, this could happen.
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