Baltimore Sun Article DEBUNKS & RIDICULES the LEFT & DSM!

[AuntiBush]

In today's "Baltimore Sun Newspaper," in the Perceptive Section (C, pg. 5) is an opinion/commentary by a Los Angeles Times "opinion page editor and editorial page editor, Michael Kinsley entitled "Fuss over Downing Street Memo proves left is alive, but not much else." :mad:

One can only imagine the steam within I felt after reading this obvious ultra-right-wing slant bull-crap. I'll quote a few lines from this 5 column opinion (seems like a lot for something considered "not much else..."), but I'm not a professional writer - yet! :eyes:

Kinsley Snips:

"After about the 200th email from a stranger demanding that I cease my personal cover-up of something called the Downing Street Memo, I decided to read it." "It's all over the blogosphere and Air America, the left-wing talk radio network." He continues, "The whole weapons of mass destruction concern was PHONY from the start, and the drama about inspections was just kabuki: going through the motions."

Wow. It took this guy 200 emails from 1 stranger to finally read "it." I sent him 1 email about a week ago w/tons of linked sources. Wondering whom this "1" other soul was that send 200 emails to him? I mean, come on. :puke:

Only 1... I mean, really!?! And what's he talking about?! Or should I dare ask what rock he's been hiding under. He's obviously talking for the ultra-right-wing-nut-bags; arrogant and haughty at best. Read on if you can stomach this. Only regret I can't place everything here (5 columns of hum-drum yawning). :boring:

"Although it is flattering to be thought personally responsible for allowing a PROVEN war (yeah, we can prove we're over there alright) criminal to remain in office, in the end I don't buy the fuss. Nevertheless, I am enjoying it, (THE NERVE) as an encouraging sign of the revival of the left."

I didn't know we died...* This guy seems detached from reality...;) :banghead: But wait. It gets better.

He continues citing that we're (left), "developing a paranoid theory and promoting it to the very edge of national respectability takes a certain amount of idealogical self-confidence. * Is it me or did I just read a hint of condescending flattery * :crazy:

Obviously this guy's not well-versed with regards to the Downing Street Documents or he would have known who "C" was stating, "recent talks in Washington by the head of British foreign intelligence identified as John-Le Carre-style, (what!?!) simply as "C". C reported Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But intelligence and facts were being fixed about the police... There was little discussion in Washington of the aftermath of after military action." :grr:

Ok, this is my boiling point. Kinseley does not know who "C" is? Even I know this along with the rest of the globe! Note: He uses a lot of commas. I'll add 1 more line from this individual before I loose it totally. :beer:

"It takes a critical mass of citizens with extreme views and the time and energy to obsess about them. It takes a promotional infrastructure and the widely shared self-discipline to settle on a storyline, disseminate it and stick to it."

Aa-ha... I quess a "critical mass of citizens" means absolutely nothing to this editor because he just said that a majority of people must be a bunch of extremists with tons of energy to work on something that's got them obsessive... I know the first thing that came to my mind was Right-Wing-Conservative Nut-Bags, but again, maybe it's me as a referral about any of of us with sincere conerns for our county's horrible state of affairs and espcially over the Downing Street Documents as PR folks for some sort of infrastructure and admits it's a widely shared story (line!?!)!

Does he think we got this out of the "Land of Oz!?! There was so much more, but copyright laws won't permit too many quotes from this far-right-leaning opin-man. :spray: He does mention the "left-wing" Los Angeles and New York Times and even goes so far to poke fun, tossing them a "pity-party" referring to Time Magazine as "poorly" of sorts and it was "unfortunate for them (Time Mag.) to speculate on the war because of something to do with a "poor economy."

:wtf: Most ultra-right-wing folks claim our economy is just "fine."

Anyone care to hurl a few lines at Mr. Michael Kinsely? You can bet I'll be canceling my free 26 week subscription as of 6:00 a.m. Monday morning. Free or not, they can shove it where the sun don't shine. I hear their subscription is down. It will be down 1 more by tomorrow.

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[yardwork]

1. Kinsley is a jerk

[AuntiBush]

5. Can I get a "Amen" to that one! You said it!

[marmar]

2. Looks like KKKarl has been working the phones...

trying to diffuse this one before it goes off.

[AuntiBush]

I'm telling ya! Really!

[TexasLawyer]

23. Yes! It looks like Mr. Kinsley is working VERY hard

to explain how innocuous the DSM is. He doth protest too much.

And it is not just "The Left" that wants answers to questions raised by the DSM. The U.S. is closing in on 2,000 dead GIs. People of every political stripe want to know-- How did this happen!!!?

Would it be too much trouble for our glorious leader to explain why MI6 came away from a meeting with US military planners believing that Washington recognized Iraq did not pose a real threat to the U.S., but that the U.S. was going to fix the facts to make the case for war, that this would make war inevitable.

[geek tragedy]

3. This is worse than you think: Kinsley is the chief editor of the LA Times

What goddamn liberal media?!?!

[AuntiBush]

8. Thank you! A-Hole Media WHORES! Honestly!

You got to admit, they insult themselves so much better then we could ever do.

[AX10]

10. What Liberal Media?

:grr:

[AuntiBush]

18. The "Nation" Magazine, "Mother Jones" and C-SPAN

My definition of "Liberal Media" is one that tells the truth.

It's non-existant on the tube, though I admit I'm seeing tiny glitches coming thru CNN but you'd miss it if you blnked.

[AuntiBush]

31. That Pretty Much "Shoots Down" the LIBERAL Media Remarks

Checked him out the other night online; you are right.

How did he get an article in the Sun Papers? Lib-ur-al media my A$$!

[Cassandra]

4. I noticed that this morning

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1849005

So much for the liberal side of the SCLM.

[AuntiBush]

9. And I thought the Sun Paper was finally 'coming round."

Called to cancel my subscription today; office opens at 6 am tomorrow morning. Guess what I'll be doing before I feed the dog.

[LibertyorDeath]

6. You mean this mealy mouthed little shit

[AuntiBush]

12. Awggg! What is it about Neo's? They're not normal looking.

Sorry, but it's the truth. Think about it. They all look like a bunch of dweebs.

[LibertyorDeath]

25. Something genetic here play spot the rethug

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1850234

[AuntiBush]

27. Thanks for the DU link! Reading now.

[bluestateguy]

7. It's real easy to call for war from a computer keyboard

especially when you are an effeminate pencil neck geek like Mike Kinsley: spokesperson for the Joe Lieberman Accomodationist Wing of the Democratic Party.

[AuntiBush]

13. Good Call: "Pencil-Neck Geek!"

Feeling better already!

[KoKo]

11. Lazy "intellectuals" so used to believing their own importance and higher

intellect get unhinged when ordinary mortals send them the story of the new century and they missed it.

I'm so tired of these "Press Pundits" looking down on the information staring them in their face and they refuse to see it.

Kinsley has done a few good articles recently, but he has major laziness to account for this devastatingly idiotic article.

I hope maybe, he's just having some bad times with his illness and this was some sort of mistake...but I still think it's laziness and superiority complex. :shrug:

[AuntiBush]

15. It's all about (them) me!!!!!!!! Forget about 1,700 dead and still

counting! Forget about our country spiraling downwards. No.

It's all about (THEM) ME!!!! It's not about you or I, or the rest of the country and world... or dying children, etc. It's all about "them!" The "ME" "ME" ME" crowd!

[AuntiBush]

21. Didn't know he was ill. Maybe he should make peace w/God before

he goes on to the hereafter. Ya know. Like telling the truth and performing true journalism if not for himself, for the country's sake.

[camby]

14. His approach is interesting and typical of the rightwing

propaganda machine. While not exactly covering up the meat of the "memo", he seems to sandwich that one kernel of truth between many paragraphs of posturing, namecalling, pooh-poohing, and ridiculing those who think it proves Bush guilty of an impeachable offense. I think most folks can recognize a load of BS when they see it.

[AuntiBush]

16. If I Seen Threw It. Here's Better More then 1/2 of MD did today, too!

Of course, it was stuck way in the back - nothing in the main section at all.

[brindis_desala]

17. DU is a vital lifeline for democracy but the left needs to

understand how to frame important issues for sure exposure. The memo in and of itself IS NOT NEWS! What it is and has proved to be is a
succinct encapsulation, call it sound bite if you will, of what the 11% of the American public that actually ever reads a newspaper has known all along. To expect journalists to be falling all over themselves when
it has been reported on from early in 2004 albeit insufficiently is to misapprehend how the corporate news functions. The memo must be framed within a narrative namely poor planning and corruption for it to have any chance at real impact. That said, cheers to the blogosphere which has succeeded where the print news has not- getting the TV addicts' attention and that's why Kinsley's shorts are in a wad.

[AuntiBush]

19. Agreed. But most Americans are Glued to the Tube and they know it!

That does not make it right. Respectfully, I don't believe it's 11% when I hear tons of Republican voters all over my bedroom community screaming mad (this weekend alone and for weeks on end) at the Republicans and Bush & Co.

That's not good and these folks are Faux News watchers and have turned off from it. They're not as ill-informed as one might think.

[brindis_desala]

24. I agree that the Memo deserved more play

But how would you feel if your paper reports the lies that led a country to war and the liars get re-elected? Let's face it- if we can't be bothered to read we will never have a truly functioning democracy. From the LATimes:

"The 511-page Senate Intelligence Committee report makes it clear that despite the haughty posturing of national security heavyweights, we do not have adults watching the store. The report's epic series of embarrassing conclusions about how the intelligence on Iraq became distorted is a testament to how political ideology and ambitions consistently trumped logic and integrity. The Senate report is a thoroughly damning indictment of the Bush administration's doctrine of "preemptive" war based on intelligence. In the case of Iraq, the intelligence that was false was adopted by the administration, while the intelligence that was true was ignored as inconvenient. And it is telling that the CIA, try as it did to accommodate the White House, couldn't find any evidence that Al Qaeda and Iraq were collaborators.

Not that the CIA didn't try, though. "This intelligence assessment responds to senior policymaker interest in a comprehensive assessment of Iraqi regime links to Al Qaeda. Our approach is purposefully aggressive in seeking to draw connections," said one report. "I was asking the people who were writing to lean far forward and do a speculative piece. If you were going to stretch to the maximum the evidence you had, what could you come up with?" the deputy director for intelligence at the CIA told the Senate committee.

With this approach, we might as well base our foreign policy on reruns of "The X-Files." Maybe this is why the president wants us to go to Mars: It's a preemptive strike.

Copyright 2004 Los Angeles Times

Reprinted from The Los Angeles Times:
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/
la-oe-scheer13jul13,1,5294922.column

[AuntiBush]

26. I've turned off my TV and now Read all of the time.

And I get my news from out here, various newspapers, authors, satellite radio and The Nation & Mother Jones magazines.

You're absolutely correct. We've become a nation that relies too much on the tube to tell feed us information, when we should turn off the tube and "read."

There is a website w/regards to this:

http://www.turn-off-your.tv/
http://www.turnoffyourtv.org/
http://www.tvturnoff.org/
http://turnoffyourtv.libsyn.com/ ~ Progressive, I believe.

[xray s]

20. Hey, the guy's just responding to the horse head he found in his bed...

You'd be scared if you found one in your bed too. Rove's message is never subtle..


http://mediamatters.org/items/200505190003

O'Reilly: LA Times editorial board won't "get it" until terrorists cut off Michael Kinsley's head

Fox News host Bill O'Reilly said that Los Angeles Times editorial board wouldn't understand his objection to legal representation for detainees at Guantànamo Bay, Cuba, until terrorists "grab Michael Kinsley out of his little house and they cut off his head." He further opined: "And maybe when the blade sinks in, he'll go, 'Perhaps O'Reilly was right.'"

From the May 17 broadcast of Westwood One's The Radio Factor with Bill O'Reilly:

O'REILLY: No, no. I want you to read it. Go to LATimes.com. I want everybody in the country to read this editorial, 'cause it just -- I mean, you'll be sitting there pounding the table like I did. How can they -- how can they think this way? How can anyone think this way? You know, "Shutting down Guantànamo and giving suspected terrorists legal protections would help restore our reputation abroad." No, it wouldn't. I mean that's like saying, well, if we're nicer to the people who want to KILL US, then the other people who want to KILL US will like us more. Does that make any sense to you? Do you think Osama is gonna be more favorably disposed to the U.S. if we give the Guantànamo people lawyers?

E.D. HILL (co-host): No, of course not.

O'REILLY: I mean, but this is what they're saying. It is just -- you just sit there, you go, "They'll never get it until they grab Michael Kinsley out of his little house and they cut his head off." And maybe when the blade sinks in, he'll go, "Perhaps O'Reilly was right."

[AuntiBush]

22. Jeez-A-Wiz! Shew!

"They'll never get it until they grab Michael Kinsley out of his little house and they cut his head off." And maybe when the blade sinks in, he'll go...

How does O'Reilly stay on the air? That guy's mouth is an endangerment!

[KoKo]

28. In an earlier time that would have been considered a "threat." How

does O'Reilly get away with this stuff. And, how do we know it didn't affect Kinsley's writing? He has Parkinson's Disease, which is under control, but who needs the RW threatening a person who has a chronic illness and doing it on the airwaves?

This quote is really terrible. Don't watch Faux but here DU'ers who do complain. This was OTT for O'Reilly to say even if it was on radio. When is someone going to go after statements like this and call them what they are...intimidation and death threats.

[AuntiBush]

29. Really. I do not watch Faux, but some DU'ers do and so the info

comes out here to us. Maybe it's good some watch or we'd not know what the likes of O'Reilly say and do.

After reading the transcript, and though I am not a lawyer I'd say it was as close to an intimidating death threat as one could get. And on Nat'l TV at that.

I don't get how they get away with it... then again, I do.
Welcome to the Bushland Hilarities, except we're not laughing.

[Mr. Brown of MD]

30. Wait, what?

Why are you upset at the Baltimore Sun for printing an Op-Ed piece from an obvious right-wing gas bag who has no idea what they are talking about (and who isn't even somebody who works for the Sun)? It's in the Perspective page, and it's not like they don't get left-wing columnists on a fairly regular basis, including ones who (I'm pretty sure) have written about the Downing Street Memo, such as the Boston Globe's Ellen Goodman. You may have also noticed the featured article in the section covered amputees at Walter Reed Army Medical Center who are coming back from Iraq, or the political cartoon on the page opposite the Kinsey column which expresses the very opposite of the spectrum as the Kinsey column.

I agree that this is an extremely stupid column, but I think you're overreacting, considering that it is a column. I think the Sun is good about keeping balance in its Op-Ed page, though it's always felt to me that the editorial staff of the paper itself leans to the left. Coming along and bashing the Sun around because of this one thing is a bit silly. For a member of the dreaded mainstream media, the Sun's about as good as we can expect right now. Withdrawing your support of it over this one column is not a very effective protest, IMO.

[AuntiBush]

32. The Sun has yet to print anything about the Minutes/Memo

Except this piece, less I've missed something. In the past several months, I've noticed more and more unbalanced reporting in the Sun.

And if there are any half-way decent stories about the right-wing takeover, it's placed way in the back on pg. 17 as a rule.

[Frances]

33. Actually, Kinsley didn't write an article

Kinsley wrote an OPINION piece. Kinsley does not work for the Sun. I don't agree with it at all. However, all good newspapers print opinion pieces from both the right and the left.

The Baltimore Sun is one of the most liberal newspapers in the country.

Governor Ehlich banned any state employees from talking to two of the Sun REPORTERS because they reported on his giveaway of land.

If we don't support the Sun, and even the Post as biased as it often is, then the Washington Times (a true right wing paper & a moonie paper to boot) will be the only big paper for people in MD to read.

[Baltimore]

34. Kinsley

This is weird, because I seem to remember Rush Limbaugh complaining that Kinsley was a far-left liberal, because he said something bad about Nixon. (Sigh) I remember the days when the Baltimore Sun was a liberal Democratic newspaper.