New book out on Wellstone Assassination

[MsAnthropy]

American Assassination: The Strange Death Of Senator Paul Wellstone
by Four Arrows, James H., Ph.D. Fetzer

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0975276301/qid=1102960283/sr=2-1/103-5140666-2256614?v=glance&s=books

Some of the freeper Amazon reviews are bizarre. I saw the book at Barnes and Noble but couldn't bring myself to pick it up. The wound will never heal.

[DFLforever]

1. Curious, was it displayed prominently at Barnes & Noble?

And, at what B & N did you see it?

[DFLforever]

14. Self-delete - put it in the wrong place!

[MsAnthropy]

2. At the Highland branch in St. Paul

on the "New Non-Fiction" table near the front door. I was amazed at the location myself.

[DFLforever]

3. Amazing! My local B & N. I'll buy it from them this p.m.

Thanks for the post and your reply.

[CatholicEdHead]

4. Assassination debate

will go on forever just like the JFK one. I will take a look at this book, but I am not really convinced it was a Assassination. Tragic accident, yes.

[mzmolly]

5. I'm interested in reading the book, but ....

The authors claim that the trip from Mpls to Duluth is "atleast 3 hours" ... that's not so. According to mapquest the: Total Est. Time: 2 hours, 23 minutes

And, I am assuming the FBI wasn't doing the speed limit, so?

I questioned that claim because I've made it to Duluth in a couple hours myself.

As I said though, I'd be interested in reading it. :hi:

[preciousdove]

6. Total Est. Time: 4 hours, 18 minutes

I make the trip to Duluth during the day about every other month and it takes 2 hours and 30 minutes from 694 and I35W to Mesaba Ave. We go about 5 mph over the speed limit about 75 mph.

It would take longer from downtown Minneapolis and they would have to sign out the car. Ely is further and off the freeway.

From mapquest
Total Est. Distance: 244.47 miles (Used Social Security Office it won't take FBI or the spelled out name.)

http://www.mapquest.com/directions/main.adp?go=1&do=nw&un=m&cl=EN&ct=NA&cat=Federal+Government-Social+%26+Human+Rsrcs&rsres=1&1g=gaDixmPkYtg%253d&1y=US&1z=55401&1tabval=address&1l=DyLzms5UMQE%253d&1ex=1&1a=330+2nd+Ave+S+%23+650&1s=MN&1c=Minneapolis&1pl=612-348-1230&1ffi=1&1v=ADDRESS&1pn=US+Social+Security+Adm&1ah=&2y=US&2a=&2c=Ely&2s=MN&2z=&2ah=

The time that they got there was not reasonable given that information.

[mzmolly]

7. The FBI could use sirens and speed legit like. I'd say it's reasonable.

:shrug:

I'm all for thinking Bush ordered Wellstone murdered, but I'm not inclined to believe the FBI was in on it?

[preciousdove]

8. Doubtful they could go 150 mph all the way

I know somebody who modifies cars to disable the speed restraints for law enforcement built into passenger cars.

I have sent a message asking how fast an FBI car could travel that distance at max speed. I expect an answer in the morning.

One time when my eyesight was gone and I was unable to walk for a few months I listened to the police scanner for awhile and heard a lot of car chases. Normal engines would only travel over 120 mph for less than an hour before they would give out ending a lot of the highest speed chases.

The Minneapolis FBI office was the one with the art stolen from the World Trade Center after the bombing that was displayed where someone saw it. One of the former associate directors of the FBI belonged to my Dad's Lion's club and he was appalled at what pollitics was doing to the agency. He said when he was there they investigated crime they didn't promote an agenda.

I called Jesse Ventura's office immediately after the news came on the TV and begged him to not let the FEDs push aside all the Minnesota investigators for this investigation. Not that it did any good. I used the instance of the Mpls FBI office not being able to do something about evidence Mossoui before 911 despite credible evidence from several sources. It also doesn't help that one of the Wellstone pilots had trained with Mossoui here and had alerted an instructor about his behavior. Ted Kennedy had inquired about being on that plane for the funeral in Ely too. That would have been quite a coup.

[mzmolly]

12. They wouldn't have to go 150.

I've made it in two hours traveling about 70.

:shrug:

I dunno, like I said .. I can see Bush being involved, but the FBI? :crazy:

[randydiv]

22. Conintelpro

I don't yet have an opinion on this incident, but there is no reason why FBI involvement is a stumbling block. The FBI was heavily involved in thuggery (including murder) of radical activists in the 1960s and 1970s (under the codename "Conintelpro".) This is well documented, including Congressional Hearings in the mid 1970s that led to a series of reforms, most of which have been overturned by the Patriot Act.

The Bush crime family has ties throughout the security services of the U.S. (George senior was head of the CIA at one point).

[newyawker99]

23. Hi randydiv!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

24. Wellstone was the victim of a sad, stupid accident.

Anybody involved in aviation will tell you it was the kind of accident that happens with unfortunate regularity in general aviation and in poorly-regulated air charter operations. As tempting as it is to believe he was assassinated, the evidence indicates otherwise. The pilots, both of whom had spotty records (the captain was known to be weak, and the copilot was very inexperienced) allowed the aircraft to slow to about 80 knots while searching for the runway in marginal visibility, and it stalled. 80 knots is way too slow to fly a final approach in a King Air. And neither pilot had any connection with Moussaoui. The copilot had worked as a scheduler -- not an instructor -- for the flight school where Moussaoui sought training, but they never trained "together" or had anything to do with each other.

Anyhow -- if you are going to knock off a controversial senator right before an election, you wouldn't do it in such an obvious way as in a plane crash.

[Thor_MN]

20. Don't forget the weather.... It was crappy that day

Wet roads at best. I can't remember if it was cold enough to be icy near the Twin Cities, but it most likey was near Duluth and north. If the roads are icy, 70 is really pushing it. I've made it to Duluth in 2 hours, but that's a good weather/no traffic/dry roads time.

[dflprincess]

21. The roads were okay in the Cities

I can't remember if it was raining or not down here. I think ice has pretty much ruled out as a factor in the crash.

Personally, I think it was murder - just a gut reaction, but the more I see and hear about what Bushco does, the more convinced I am.

[bvar22]

9. In my heart, I KNOW he was killed.

I can't prove it,
but I knew it as soon as I heard the news.
He refused play the game with either the Republicans or the CorpoDems.
They took him out.

I still have the WELLSTONE! bumper sticker on my car and bicycle, and a yard sign in my front window.

They killed his body, but they can't kill his spirit. He lives on in me.
I AM a Wellstonian Democrat!



Paul Wellstone kicking conservative ass
at Harriet Island Labor Day Picnic
shortly before his assination.

[katinmn]

10. same thought came to me when I heard the news

:hug:

Damn, it still hurts.

[MsAnthropy]

11. Me too

I miss him every day. But he had so much goodness that it will outlast his physical being. We just can't let anyone forget it.

That they could kill him so blatantly and obviously and get away with it shows the complete power of the BFEE. Every day the U.S. feels more like the old U.S.S.R. (and the new Ukraine).

[mzmolly]

13. I agree. And, look what "they've" accomplished without him.

*sigh*

I'd say they knew what an asset he was to us all.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

17. Out in Oregon, I became suspicious the minute I saw

Wolf Blitzer insisting to the onsite reporter that the cause had to be ice on the wings and she looking bewildered and saying that the weather conditions didn't seem right.

Subsequently, several people who knew I was from Minnesota came up independently and asked whether I thought the plane was sabotaged. Then I came here for Christmas and got the same question from my 93-year-old great aunt.

The only people who know for sure what happened died that day (although maybe even they didn't know the reason for the crash) but the whole thing was just too convenient.

A progressive populist who was mourned in Oregon as well as in Minnesota and whose memorial page on the Internet attracted nearly 5,000 signatures from around the country in 48 hours? Too dangerous to the powers that be.

[DFLforever]

15. The St Paul Library has six copies available.

Minneapolis has it listed as well but theirs appear to be on order so not yet available for checkout. You could probably place a hold on a copy though for pickup when it comes in.

[cynthia]

16. I saw it at Borders

in Calhoun Square. The Minneapolis library has a waiting list, so I got my name on it.

[spooked911]

18. I am reading it right now.

It's not a great book-- it's very repetitive and doesn't really need to be book length-- but the authors make some very good points.

I actually didn't really think there was anything sinister about his death at the time-- I thought it, but then it didn't take hold-- but NOW I am very suspicious.

I certainly wouldn't put assassiniation past this crew in the white house right now. And getting rid of Wellstone was key to them getting control of the senate--- which was key to a lot for them.

[MsAnthropy]

19. I agree, it's not well written

I wish they would have kept the Kennedy assassination out of it--whatever you feel about that one is going to color your opinion and they couldn't be more different. But they do lay out some convincing facts. I hadn't heard that threat that Cheney made to Wellstone until now.