N.H. Pastor Takes Child Killer Into Home, Says He Found Jesus.

[Are_grits_groceries]

Can someone who has committed violent crimes change? Some residents of a New England town say absolutely not.
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"Ray is a genuine convert," pastor David Pinckney told "Good Morning America" of his new guest. "And his life transformation over the last 16 years. … He just has a stellar record."

Raymond Guay, now 60, was paroled from a West Virginia prison in September after serving 25 years for the 1973 kidnapping and murder of a 12-year-old boy and an additional 10 years for other offenses, including the kidnapping of a New Hampshire couple when he briefly escaped from state prison in 1982.

Court records show he also stabbed a fellow inmate at a California federal prison in 1991.

Despite Guay's violent criminal record, Pinckney and his family of five children invited the ex-con to live in their basement when officials insisted Guay finish out his parole in New Hampshire after living and working in Connecticut since his release.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=7177113&page=1

Something tells me this will not end well.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. Eek. Maybe people can change, and I hope for the sake of the pastor's kids

that this guy did.

I don't think I could be so trusting.

[soothsayer]

3. I.m with you. Praying for all concerned.

[Liberal_in_LA]

4. The guy is 60 now. perhaps violent tendency decreases with age?

[Whoa_Nelly]

7. 60 is not old

...just sayin' :popcorn:

[Liberal_in_LA]

12. Didn't say it was old. But it's not young. crime decreases with age.

[Whoa_Nelly]

15. Would that be why a man I knew a long time ago didn't stop molesting children

even when he was well over 80? (he's now dead, and was close to finally being brought up on charges)


Sorry.
I have a problem with believing that that age has anything to do with decrease in behaviors.
Health, or possibly meds and/or behavior modification, or selective and cognitive choices to change may help, but I don't consider age to be one of the constants of the equation.

:hi:

on edit:

am only 5 years out from 60...it ain't OLD, my friend ;)

[Liberal_in_LA]

16. I'm not that much younger than you. It's a FACT not an insult, that criminal behavior peaks

before age 30. I was just supposing / hoping the five kids would be safe cuz he was older. No guarantee of course.

[MadMaddie]

30. Sadly it really doesn't with these particular type of criminals.

They always seek power and it's usually with children. This man is still dangerous and many a criminal has found Jesus only to turn around and kill again.

[old mark]

2. Many years ago, there was a young woman near Allentown, PA,

a county social worker, who regularly brought some of her former prisoner clients to her home overnight if they had nowhere else to stay.
One of the guys she was helping beat her to death with a hammer, after raping her.
All her neighbors thought she was a hooker.

This pastor is very stupid.

mark

[soothsayer]

5. recidivism is lower than you are led to believe, but the dude doesn't have a great record

[Whoa_Nelly]

6. Stellar record?

:wtf:

Escape: 1982
Stabbing: 1991

again... :wtf:

Pastor says: "...we just feel that Jesus wants us to do this."

Am skeptical of this ending well.
If not for the pastor's family, then later after the time is up: ...where Guay has been invited to live for two months, until he gets back on his feet.

[old mark]

38. Then let him move in with Jesus....must have a few spare rooms...nt

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

8. If we can't hold on to the belief that one can change, what's the point?

I've seen fundamental change occur in people (myself included). I will continue to have faith it can happen.

[LisaL]

19. Some people change and many don't. How much would you be willing

to bet on this guy's changing?

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

25. If that person were you, justly or unjustly convicted,

when YOUR day came you'd spend every waking breath trying to convince someone, ANYONE, of your sincere and permanent change.

And if you sit here and say you wouldn't, I'd call you a stone cold liar.

As you judge, so shall you be judged. So make it a convincing story, convict, if you want someone on your side when those gates open.

[LisaL]

26. I have not killed any 12 years old children, and don't plan on doing

it.
:eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes:

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

32. None that have been discovered, anyway.

(I don't actually believe you HAVE killed anyone, BTW- I'm just pressing a point for the sake of argument.)

[LisaL]

33. WTF is your point then?

[MadMaddie]

31. It really depends on the types of crimes

We all hope that they change but the kinds of crimes this guy committed, they usually repeat the same crimes.

[stillcool]

9. I knew a guy who killed his girlfriend..

I met him at an AA meeting. I also met a woman who killed someone driving drunk. I did my fair share of stealing, driving drunk, doing drugs, getting beaten the shit out of, etc., but it never escalated to the point of murder..although there was that one time when I tried to run over my boyfriend. I can certainly see myself doing damn near anything, given the right cocktail of life. I think society is much better off with all of us being sober. But that can be expensive for society. Perhaps jail is the best place. Or better yet, society should have killed all of us when we first started exhibiting disturbing behavior. Right after we were raped would have been a good time.

[Warpy]

11. That's what the Taliban thinks about it

which is why they stone rape victims to death for having shamed their families by getting raped. That way, they don't have to deal with traumatized, angry and depressed women.

Treatment is actually cheaper.

[stillcool]

13. I never thought of it that way..

I guess you could say the Taliban were 'humane'. Even an animal gets put out of its misery.

[soothsayer]

18. ok, people aren't animals

[stillcool]

27. that's debatable..

[Warpy]

10. There's an even chance that at the age of 60, this guy's rage

has abated with his testosterone. However, the preacher is still taking a chance with his wife and kids.

I hope it turns out right. I have known a few desperate characters who did manage to reform, usually after they managed to get off booze and drugs and into real recovery.

I've just known many more who didn't unless they were confined away from booze and drugs.

[nonconformist]

14. Why is someone who kidnapped and murdered a 12 year old boy out of prison?

Fucker should be locked up for life.

[Cass]

21. I have to agree with you on this.

No way should the guy be out at all after that. Add in the stabbing, the escape, kidnapping. It is disturbing that a person with his record is eligible for release at all.

[rcrush]

35. Hey its not like he's a drug dealer or anything.

:sarcasm:

[LisaL]

17. A number of people with children were willing to take Joseph Duncan

into their home.

http://www.spokesmanreview.com/sections/duncan/documents/031600_psych_eval.pdf
Well we all know how Joseph Duncan ended up.
For the sake of the children of this pastor, I hope he is not mistaken about the person he took into his home, however I would never do anything of the sort, and I understand why the neighbors are so concerned.

[FLyellowdog]

20. Stellar record? In prison?

Well, except for that one time he escaped in '82. And oh yes, the stabbing in '91. Other than that...how hard is it to have a stellar record when you are locked up, told what to do and when to do it? Institutionalized idividuals of all ages behave differently while they are institutionalized than they do when they are out in the real world with choices and decisions to be made. No, this may not turn out well at all. But if not, "It'll be the will of G'd." IMO.

[47of74]

22. Probably not the smartest thing to do...

Still I gotta respect the courage of the pastor's convictions here that he's willing to risk not only himself but his family as well for following the teachings of Christ as he sees it.

[LisaL]

23. You respect someone for willing to risk his family?

[TheCowsCameHome]

24. Chichester residents are none too happy about it.

I don't blame them.

[SoxFan]

28. Tough luck

The residents of towns like Chichester were perfectly content to let this guy set up shop in Manchester. When we protested, we got a lecture about rehabilitation, serving your time, fresh starts, etc.

[Pushed To The Left]

29. Why is a child murderer being paroled in the first place?

If there is a prison overcrowding problem, non-violent offenders should be released, especially drug "offenders" who don't even belong in prison. Kidnapping and murdering a child should be a life-without-parole offense.

[LisaL]

34. He plead guilty to the second degree murder in boy's death.

"Guay was never charged with a sex crime in Lindovski's case, but Davis believes her son was molested before he died. She said authorities did not press such charges out of sensitivity, but she now wishes Guay were required to register as a sex offender."


http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090319/NEWS02/303199914/-1/news

As he was neither charged nor convicted with a sex crime, he is not considered a sex offender, which is probably the reason that this pastor is able to take him into his home despite having children living there.

[Politicalboi]

36. I thought at first

Well this pastor is dead, oh well. But he is exposing his family to this criminal. What a nut. I would feel no sympathy if the guy killed the pastor. Just like the woman who dated OJ after he murdered his wife and Ron Goldman. If they found her dead I would think she should have known better. Your probably right that this is not going to end well.

[cloudbase]

37. There were many who sincerely believed

that Karla Faye Tucker had sincerely converted during her time in prison; not that it made any difference in the end.

[BroccoliTowel]

39. this is why

Jesus' procolomations of love thy enemy and turn the other cheek are actually very disturbing/problematic