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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 01:17 PM
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New Yorkers: Please help stop E-Voting Machines from stealing YOUR VOTE!
Folks, our state legislature has been a MISERABLE FAILURE ON THIS ISSUE! But we still have some time left to stop DREs at the local level.

I just received this from New Yorkers for Verified Voting. Please help! (New Yorkers only please.)


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Contact: bolipari@nyvv.org

Subject: Paper Ballots for NY, Help Us in Your County

Date: 5/20/2005

It looks like the decision about lever machines replacements will wind up
with the counties. However, the HAVA conference committee still has not
agreed on specific bill language, and we're waiting to see what the final
law looks like. But it's clear they don't intend to specify a single choice
for New York State.

There are still many questions about what the phrase means "let the counties
decide". Who in the counties will decide? The election commissioners? The
county legislature? Nobody knows for sure, and there are a thousand more
undefined details about how the decision making process will actually work,
and what equipment counties will actually have to choose from.

A number of election commissioners believe they will get to make the
decision, without consulting their county officials. And all too many feel
that citizens should have no say in this decision at all.

I couldn't disagree more strongly. The public WILL HAVE A SAY IN THIS
DECISION, a decision that will determine how we vote in New York for the
foreseeable future. But in order to do that, we need your help.

The lobbyists and vendors have already begun spreading out to the counties
with their message about the wonders of DREs. Right now, as you read this,
they are talking to your town and county legislators and executives, your
county election officials. They are telling them that they don't want paper
ballots and optical scan. And your county officials are listening. We cannot
let the lobbyists be the only voice they hear.

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PHASE TWO - WE NEED YOUR HELP!
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We have to get to work, right now, at the county level. Just as the
lobbyists are out talking to your county officials, we need to be as well.

NYVV is looking for residents in EACH AND EVERY COUNTY IN NEW YORK who can
help us spread the message about the benefits of paper ballots for New York.
We have to arrange presentations, provide support materials, appear at town
and county meetings, and meet with local officials to make sure that they
hear our voice as well as the lobbyists.

We can help you prepare with materials, training, and presenters. I've been
traveling to different counties presenting and assisting and I'll come to
your county too. But we need you to get the ball rolling, and to keep it in
play at the local level.

We are going to have to fight this county by county, and we will. But we
can't do it without your help.

We've achieved a lot in a short time. we've FOUGHT AND WON to get paper
ballots and optical scan as an option on the table for New York. But now the
lobbyists, the vendors, are fighting back hard, and they think they have
more resources than we do for a county by county struggle. I think they're
wrong!

Please contact me let me know you can help NYVV in your county. We have a
lot of territory to cover, and we need everyone's help.

You can vote on paper ballots in 2006, or you can vote on DREs. Help us make
the right choice.

-Bo Lipari
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feelthebreeze Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 01:34 AM
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1. Put in my service for Rockland...
Thanks for posting Bill Bored. NGU.
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feelthebreeze Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 10:09 PM
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2. No response from Lipari ...
regarding email that I sent via your link BillBored. I will try again, but in the meantime: are there any other links to contact Bo and express my need to help?
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In_The_Wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 02:09 PM
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3. I'll help
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feelthebreeze Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 11:33 AM
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4. Can you expand...
You will help to get the info I need from Bo Lipari? , or you will pitch in and fight for Rockland County in this debacle? or you will help in NY State?

Nice to see you here Joan_Alpern.
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In_The_Wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 11:29 AM
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5. I think Ulster County needs my help

but I'll pitch in wherever I can do the most good.

thanks feelthebreeze ... love your user name
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feelthebreeze Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 10:52 PM
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6. Thanks, still trying to contact Bo Lipari. You out there Bill Bored?
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 12:11 AM
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7. I'm here. Bo is very busy.
Edited on Sun Jun-05-05 12:12 AM by Bill Bored
Here's the deal:

There are 2 or 3 possibilities:

1. First talk to your county legislators. If Albany says it's up to them, all you have to do is convince them paper ballots are better than vapor ballots, or even better than vapor ballots with paper printouts. You can use Bo's materials which are excellent. If Albany says it's up to the BOEs, bypassing the county legislators, then you must deal with them. I hope it's the legislators since at least they are elected and must be accountable in some way. See if by chance your county elections supervisor is elected, but I doubt it.

2. We may be able to keep our lever machines, as long as we keep permanent paper audit records of the vote totals, which we should be doing anyway! The only other HAVA requirement is for Accessible machines for the disabled, and I believe this does not go into effect until 2007. The money can be spent in 2007 for Accessible machines. They can be either the Automark, used with hand-counted or scanned paper ballots, or Accessible DREs. If they get Automarks, they can add the Op Scanners later if they want to replace lever machines. But frankly, there seems to be no need to do so. HAVA, being the scam that it is, is so poorly written, that most of us assume the levers have to go. They do not, and I have this on the word of a BOE official in our state. (And Bo Lipari witnessed it.)

3. We probably won't know the final decision from Albany until June 23 when the legislature is scheduled to adjourn. Until then, you can have your county legislature pass a Resolution for Paper Ballots/Optical Scanning. While this may not be binding, it will be on the record that this is the people's choice. If Albany lets them make a local law, that would be even better, but the Resolution would be fine for now.

Hope this helps! PM me if you wish. I spend most of my time on the 2004 Election Forum, but I'm glad I stopped by here. Been very busy with this stuff lately myself.

If you have a local branch of Democracy for America (the Dean people), they may also want to help.

Also, call Assemblywoman Sandy Galef's office to see if they know anyone in your county who might want to help.
http://assembly.state.ny.us/mem/?ad=090&submit=Go
She introduced the NY paper ballot bill, but it will probably not pass.
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