Don't want to be unconstitutionally searched? Call 311!

[MadAsHellNewYorker]

If your in NYC and you disagree with the Fasisct...I mean Bloomberg's unjustified illegal searches of MTA riders, call 311 and complain! It one way to get out voice heard.

[SouthernDem2004]

1. Sorry but its not illegal or Unconstitutional. /nt

[MadAsHellNewYorker]

2. where is the probable cause? or the warrent?

[SouthernDem2004]

3. They do not need a warant. Its the same as airports. The Supreme Court

has upheld those. This is no different. Sorry.

[MadAsHellNewYorker]

4. I think this post says it best:

Thanks to Caution http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=169&topic_id=3817&mesg_id=3822

The reason the 6th amendment exists is to protect your rights, not to protect the rights of those who would commit criminal acts. YOu would voluntarily waive your rights? How about your first amendment rights? How about 2nd? How about the right to vote? The thing that makes this country great are those very rights. If you don't feel safe taking a subway then don't take the subway. But don't give up your rights as an American.

[SouthernDem2004]

5. I just gave you the facts and the way it is. You declared something

illegal and Unconstitutional when it is not. I never said I agreed or disagreed.

[MadAsHellNewYorker]

6. But does it go against the 6th amendment?

IMHO, im pretty sure it does. This isn't an airport, its public transportation. If we stand complcity by and allow them to do this we lose our rights. We have to frame this travesty as unconstitutional, or else it will be allowed to stay like this forever.

[prodigal_green]

7. you do not have to submit to a search

but if you don't you will not be able to ride the subway. I guess they figure it giving you a choice. Not much of a choice for us commuters who rely on the subways to get to work.

You get your bag searched all over the place around here--even going into the Citicorp building (because of the faux alert last summer), free park concert events, museums, the library and other cultural institutions.

I'm pretty confident that lawsuits are in the offing and that this will be ruled illegal pretty soon.

[MadAsHellNewYorker]

8. I live here, and now how it is. This isn't an airport,

this is public transportation used everyday multiple times a day by poeple, and getting searched to go on it, is a total invasion of our rights.

I really hope there is a lawsuit SOON and this is found totally illegal...cause it is!

[prodigal_green]

9. I totally agree with you.

I find all of those searches erosive of our civil rights. Maybe they should just deploy bomb-sniffing dogs. That way, if one targets you at least there is probable cause. Either that or you're carrying bacon.

[MadAsHellNewYorker]

10. That makes a hell of a lot more sense then "random" searches

I mean, even security experts are saying the chance of finding something in these searchings are almost zilch! what a waste of taxpayer money

[Eric J in MN]

12. Read this article

"In New York, the police began randomly searching bags at protests after the Sept 11. attack. But the New York Civil Liberties Union challenged the practice, and last summer a federal judge in Manhattan declared it unconstitutional."

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/22/nyregion/22law.html

[MadAsHellNewYorker]

13. wow, looks like we've already tried to go down this path!!!!

thanks Eric! great find :hi:

[im10ashus]

15. Just STATING something doesn't make it fact!

You should probably back that up with some ACTUAL facts, like case law, or examples. It IS a violation of our Fourth Amendment, and THAT'S a fact.

[Eric J in MN]

11. Ariports are different.

A small amount of explosives can bring down a plane, killing hundreds.

A small amount of explosives on a train is no more or less dangerous than anywhere there are lots of people.

[K-W]

14. It most certainly is.

And blatently so.

If this isnt an unreasonable search, nothing is.