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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 09:58 AM
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"Freedom Tower" setting my teeth on edge. Anyone else?
Now that things are moving to rebuild on the WTC site, "Freedom Tower" is being referred to all over the media.

It will always be the WTC site to this New Yorker. Bush et al. have so perverted the word "freedom" it sounds like an insult every time I hear "Freedom Tower." Who came up with that name, anyway?
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 10:07 AM
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1. We're askin' for it
A couple of years after the first WTC bombing, I interviewed in one of the buildings ... when I saw they were inspecting bags to get to the elevators, I knew i didn't want the job that badly.
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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 10:44 AM
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2. "will always be the WTC site to this New Yorker"
Same here, and I think that it rings true for all New Yorkers.

I hope we never forget.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 12:50 PM
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6. Me, too. n/t
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 05:25 AM
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3. I think it grates because
of the whole stupid "freedom fries" thing. The people who think up these names think "freedom" is having the choice of coke or pepsi.

It has become a babbling sound - like any word repeated endlessly.
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 10:28 AM
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4. Worse yet - it's become an ironic joke
NYers now accept random bag searches on the subway ... some actually welcome it. In short, the terrorists have won - we have surrendered our liberties.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 12:48 PM
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5. Yes -- what "freedom" is this? n/t
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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 04:49 PM
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7. And I feel it's wrong because
'Freedom Tower' is a made-up name
used by this administration to keep the memory of
those damn 'YELLOW-ORANGE-RED' (scare tactics) alerts
first in our thoughts.

I'm not sure I'm explaining it right, but
I think you'll understand what I mean.

It's the Wortld Trade Center......Period.

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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 08:47 PM
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9. WTC? Another bogus name
I remember when the monstrosities were erected - they were the Twin Towers then and will always be to me. It was never a world trade center - the state had to fill the vacant floors by contractual obligation ... then you had the financial interests, like the many state and municipal bond traders who lost their lives on 9/11.
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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 08:50 PM
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10. Twin Towers is fine too ............. nt
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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 08:04 PM
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8. Change the name
And redesign the building. I would like to see something around the same height as the old towers, either an office buildng or a tv tower-like structure. However, the name smacks of psuedo-jingoistic bullshit. BTW, Pataki coined that name.
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 02:15 PM
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11. James "Peak Oil" Kunstler called it "Eyesore of the Month" July 2005
Edited on Wed May-10-06 02:16 PM by DinahMoeHum
www.kunstler.com
(then click on Architecture/Eyesore of the Month on your right, keep clicking on Previous Month
until you reach July 2005)

(snip)
"The vulgar, grandiose, pretentious, and stupid revised "Freedom Tower" proposed for the former World Trade Center site represents the antithesis of freedom. Instead of a ground floor that offers connection to the pedestrian life of the street, what you get is a gigantic blank-walled crypto-military fortification -- two hundred feet of steel and concrete bombproof bombast -- while the priapic tower above holds office workers hostage in the world's number one target for shoulder-launched missiles and other weapons of opportunity. What kind of sadist corporate CEO would ask his-or-her employees to work in the 49th floor of this monstrosity? What sort of desperate,
cringing, soulless employee would consent to work there? What makes any of the idiots associated with this project. . .think that we will even be able to run mega-structures like this one in an imminent future of worldwide energy shortages? The project should sink from the sheer weight of stupidity that has been heaped into it. It lacks the dignity of even a common bowling trophy. It's a disgrace to the city of New York and to the word freedom."
(snip)



:thumbsdown:
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 02:11 PM
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12. I believe it was Pataki who came up with the name for Orwell Tower
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 06:03 PM
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13. I also agree 100%.
At this point I would prefer it be left as open green space. That would be the most fitting memorial to those who perished.
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 06:38 AM
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14. No money in *that*; it will never happen. How about....
...'Freedom Fries Towers'?


"At this point I would prefer it be left as open green space. That would be the most fitting memorial to those who perished."
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 03:57 PM
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15. Eventually they're going to have to rename it anyway: Treason Tower
or maybe MIHOP Tower.
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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 04:06 PM
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16. Or LIHOP Tower
or PNAC Tower



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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 01:06 AM
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22. IHOP Tower - Corporate HQ for International House Of Pancakes!
Yessssss!
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 03:15 PM
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19. How about the Whitewash Towers? nt/
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 07:42 PM
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17. Yes, but I take heart in the fact that no self-respecting New Yorker
will EVER call it that. There will be lots of names for it, but "Freedom Tower" will never be uttered in any seriousness.
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pagerbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 10:28 PM
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18. Yes. Just as much as Newark "Liberty" Airport
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adamuu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 08:13 PM
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20. yes, i find it offensive, also. n/t
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fryguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 10:24 PM
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21. I will refuse to refer to it as that
Just as I will not call National Airport "Reagan".....

What really bothers me about it is that on 9/11 our freedom wasn't attacked in anything like the way it has been since with all the domestic spying, implementation of the P.A.T.R.I.O.T. act, brainwashing people to take off their shoes and give up their privacy rights at airports, etc..... I would prefer to see the new building names the Tolerance Tower or even something reflecting the notion of liberty that this country was founded on.....
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 04:27 PM
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23. The full name is "The they hate us for our freedom tower"
but seriously, when did it officially get this stupid name or is this just what the media is calling it
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countmyvote4real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 12:41 AM
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24. While I prefer the legacy WTC, I'm thinking "French Toast Towers."
The chimp in chief has already dared extreme opponents of his foreign policy to knock them down, i.e. "Bring it on." They might be lovelier once completed, but they are already begging to be brought down by the continued arrogance of the * administration.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 03:30 PM
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25. Same here. Born and bred NYer here
even though I'm living in exile in NJ, my heart is in NYC.

I'll no more call that building the "Freedom Tower" than I'll refer to 6th Avenue as "Avenue of the Americas" -- only marketing types, politicians, newscritters and tourists ever call it that, and that moniker was hung on poor 6th Avenue over 60 years ago.
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Danmel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 04:36 PM
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26. Or call the Pan Am Building the Met Life Building
At least the enw yankee Stadium will be called Yankee Stadiun (though it will never be the same). The new Shea will proably be "Commerce Bank" Ballpark or some such horse shit.

As for the "Freedom" Tower, it's right up there with Newark "Liberty" airport!
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