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Jack Sprat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 06:53 PM
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Reality check for Democrats
With Clinton, we likely win.
With Obama, we likely lose.

Check the latest polling data for Election 08: Clinton vs McCain and Obama vs McCain

The decision may rest with the final primary states. Just saying. Think it over.
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moose65 Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:51 PM
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1. I disagree
I don't think that's "likely" at all, given the information I have seen. Obama makes people WANT to vote for him; Clinton makes people indifferent.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 02:51 AM
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2. Clinton's campaign is broke, what would she do to the economy?
and she made that despicable vote for the war.

She has so many negatives that progressives despise,
and so many negatives that the GOP will exploit IF she gets the nod.

Why do you think so many republicans and media are campaigning for her?
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Wash. state Desk Jet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 12:28 PM
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3. Hillary supporters are not broke
Edited on Sat May-03-08 12:32 PM by Wash. state Desk Jet
We have the way's and the means.
And we have the benefits of experience.
Obama and his camp don't.
Change is all around us.
It,s just a mere matter of acceptance,some realization.
We can change things only because change is.
Obama is just trying to capitalize off of everything that is already there.
He,s a business man ,just another elitist just like Nixon was.
He showed you who he is in San Francisco,California.
He may have made a mistake he latter went on to say.
Obama has worked all his life to get past you and than get it over on you. That's we the people.

To change the face of politics in America ,it's all about the acceptance of the responsibility that comes with ownership.
That's what Hillary get,s. That's why she is asking you to tell her.
This of a fact works against the elitist causes and profits.
Of course the biz'ina biz and the elitist,s will refute the idea that it's up to the people to except responsibility of ownership ,because the power completely shifts right back where it belongs.Simply put, how can they capitalize over you by telling you what you want and what you need,if by the power invested it is we who are doing the talking?

A Harvard law degree cannot help a elitist like Obama under such circumstances,can it? No,hell no, that,s not the way it is really suppose to work, not really,really!

Obama doesn't get it, Hillary does.
Get it right, Hillary for president.

Now you know the truth.
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moose65 Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:00 PM
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5. Is this for real?
Or did it come from The Onion?? How many code words can fit into one post? Mentioning San Francisco, calling Obama an elitist and bringing up his Harvard degree? Last time I checked, Hillary has a law degree from Yale and also a degree from Wellesley, two schools that would get her branded as elitist by most Republicans.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 10:14 AM
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9. there's fewer of you, her campaign runs on lobbyist money
Do you have nearly 1.5 million individual donors?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 09:10 PM
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15. No deal - you Closed Government Democrats have already fucked over this country protecting BushInc
all these years. Time for Open Government advocates to grow our numbers and kick the Clinton-Lieberman wing to the curb.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 02:15 PM
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4. I voted for Obama today
and I enjoyed it.

What do you want? Change vs More of the same.

You think about it, Jack.

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moose65 Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:00 PM
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6. I voted for him on Thursday
And I was voter # 1,280 at my polling place.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 07:18 PM
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7. Too late, already voted for Obama - as well as working for the campaign...
How many people have volunteered for Hillary's campaign? I haven't heard much about that.
I'll be working the desk at the field office tomorrow afternoon. We are pretty fired up about
our candidate around here...:-)
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littlebit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 03:25 AM
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8. A lot of people have volunteered here for Hillary.
You probably haven't seen it because you haven't been looking. The campaign office in Greensboro has had a lot of volunteers in it every time I have gone up there.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 10:16 AM
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10. reality check for you: Obama won 31 states, Hillary won 15
plus he won more votes and is gaining in Superdelegates each day.
plus super delegates are switching FROM Hillary to Obama.
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Wash. state Desk Jet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:29 AM
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11. Did He?
That,s pretty impressive! I bet you didn't figure Hillary for stick to it Gal right? Why are the republicans snickering about Obama? Why would a republican say if I were a Democrat I would vote for Obama and than grin kind of funny? It's almost as though they know something we don't know. Do you know what that's about?
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TheWarIzaLie Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 02:16 PM
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12. It's quite sad to see how easily people can be manipulated
by the corporate media's bu__sh__.

The only reason Clinton's #s are up now, is b/ the media wanted to pretend it's a brand new ballgame after Hillary picked up a whopping 12 delegates in Pa. Her campaign has been dead for months now, but the media has a vested interest in pretending otherwise so that they can a) continue to rack in advertising revenue through the high ratings this soap opera brings them. b) allow McCain to get a free ride untill the GE. and, c)weaken Obama as much as possible so McCain will have a chance.

If you're judging Hillary's current poll #s as an indication of how things would go in the GE, you're being very shortsighted to say the least. As I've said, the only reason she's keeping her head above water now is b/ the media is giving her a free ride and using her to destroy Obama. If Clinton were to somehow end up w/ the nomination the media would do a complete 180 and turn the barrel of their psycho drivel towards Hillary.

Between the endless attacks on Hillary that would follow, the already polorizing aura that the Clinton's carry, and the bridges they've burned in this primary... No way she wins in the general.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 04:31 PM
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13. The polling data has been off this whole election cycle, why still cite it?
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 04:45 PM
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14. SILLY SEASON POST ! To base an opinion on one set of polls at one point in time this early is SILLY!
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 02:17 AM
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16. You have a right to your opinion.
I have a right to disagree. And, I DO.

Voted Obama a week ago.
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left of center Donating Member (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 08:52 PM
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17. voted for Obama too
Obama will make a stronger candidate hands down. He is the first democratic candidate in my life time, with exception perhaps to first term Clinton, who inspires people to vote FOR someone.

Hillary carries with her too much baggage from the 1990s that incite knee-jerk reactions in a lot of every day people- especially conservatives. Sure, they hate her for stupid reasons, but hate her they do, and they would come out in mass to vote against her in Novemeber!
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 01:48 AM
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18. Seems t'me, Publican foul play's th'main reason for Dem losses in recent years
And so, dependin on who's nominated, I'll be votin and workin hard f'either Clinton or Obama against th'Publican menance

But thanks f'playin anyhow
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