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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 09:52 PM
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Funny Numbers from NC Counties
Top line is votes from 2000 Gore and b=bush
"County name" "Unofficial 2004 results" "Approximate Gain from 200"

Just look at the increases bush had, up to 4 times the dem increase in percent. If someone can crunch these numbers more, mucho apprecio. IMO, these numbers are as bad as some in Fla.

"County name" "Candidate" "2004" "App. Gain"
13188 Gore 2000 15427 b
"BRUNSWICK","John F. Kerry / ,14809, + 1600
"BRUNSWICK"," Bush / 22819, + 7400

1187 Gore 2000 1628 b
"CAMDEN","John F. Kerry / ,1329, + 150
"CAMDEN"," Bush / 2271, + 1600

38626 Gore 2000 38129 b
"CUMBERLAND","John F. Kerry ,44328, + 6000
"CUMBERLAND"," Bush / 48042, +10000

16199 Gore 2000 35387 b
"DAVIDSON","John F. Kerry / ,17117, + 950
"DAVIDSON"," Bush ,41893, + 6500

19281 Gore 2000 39453 b
"GASTON","John F. Kerry / ,14625, - 4500 ***this is puzzling
"GASTON"," Bush / 33139, - 6300

5017 Gore 2000 3439 b
"HOKE","John F. Kerry / ,5663, +600
"HOKE"," Bush / 5180, +1700

8412 Gore 2000 15951 b
"LINCOLN","John F. Kerry / ,9318, + 900
"LINCOLN"," Bush / ,,19878, +4900

10269 Gore 2000 19657 b
"ONSLOW","John F. Kerry / ,10996, + 700
"ONSLOW"," Bush / ,25352, + 5900

30921 Gore 2000 17930 b
"ORANGE","John F. Kerry / ,42683, + 11700
"ORANGE"," Bush / 20673, + 2800

6415 Gore 2000 7661 b
"PENDER","John F. Kerry / ,6928, + 500
"PENDER"," Bush / 9917, +2200

11366 Gore 2000 30959 b
"RANDOLPH","John F. Kerry / ,12575, + 1200
"RANDOLPH"," Bush / 37109, + 6900

17834 Gore 2000 11721 b
"ROBESON","John F. Kerry / ,17172, - 700 ***lost votes?
"ROBESON"," Bush / ,15471, +3700

13260 Gore 2000 18979 b
"ROCKINGHAM","John F. Kerry / ,14068, + 800
"ROCKINGHAM"," Bush / 22450, + 3500

8768 Gore 2000 10410 b
"SAMPSON","John F. Kerry / ,9389, +700
"SAMPSON"," Bush / ,12374, +2000

5,627 Gore 2000 3,740 b
"SCOTLAND","John F. Kerry / ,6330, + 700
"SCOTLAND"," Bush / ,5097, + 2300

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Cookie wookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 09:55 PM
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1. Yep, those look strange
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Carolinian Donating Member (861 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 09:58 PM
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2. Do you have any for Moore County?
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 10:29 PM
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4. Moore county

"MOORE","George W. Bush / ,,24420,
"MOORE","John F. Kerry / ,13360,

**************

I can get more Moore county numbers for you, if you want.

Where is Moore?
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Carolinian Donating Member (861 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:10 PM
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5. Central piedmont - Pinehurst, Southern Pines,
I can't believe twice as many votes for Bush. What was it in 2000?
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 11:41 PM
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6. What type of machines does Moore county use?
Would guess they just about maxed out the potential for stealing in 2000 so the % didn't change much in 2004. In the list posted were the worst offenders seen in 2004. Moore didn't make that list.

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Carolinian Donating Member (861 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 01:31 PM
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16. It's a mixture. Some of the county had to go through seven screens
and it was touch-screen - I don't know the brand. I voted on one of the old 1 panel push-button.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 12:45 AM
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62. Moore uses Danaher 1242, has about 121 units
They were purchased in 1988. The Moore County BOE staff does the programming of the machines.

May also have optical scanners, but not certain about details.
They would be used for mail in absentee voting.
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Carolinian Donating Member (861 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 08:34 PM
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25. This discussion needs to be moved into the NC forum so it's easily
accessible.
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oddtext Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 10:09 PM
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3. NC was shoplifted
Edited on Sat Nov-06-04 10:10 PM by oddtext
no doubt. you know how many "W" sign's/stickers i saw during the ENTIRE campaign post-conventions? well, about as many Kerry/Edwards stickers as i saw in any given 10 minute drive over the past 10 weeks. there are still WAY more intrepid Kerry propaganda floating about than that of dipshit.

but, perhaps there is a chance that, as dumbshit says, "the people have spoken." really? perhaps "w" would have won here, but not by 17 points -- that's FUCKING RIDICULOUS!
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 01:15 PM
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15. Yes, Bowles STOMPED Burr in Charlotte, 55% to 40% or so
(i guess 5% were spoiled?) any way, as conservative as Charlotte feels to me I was stunned that Bowles won.

And the Mecklinburg commissinioners race is fubarred, there were way more votes than voters and that reversed the results the next day after the repukes saw they error and pointed it out (maybe they went home that night and hacked the machines).

I REALLY beleive NC should have been blue as well.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 04:44 PM
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19. Bush might have won NC by a whisker but I don't believe Burr won
I'm as concerned about the senatorial races across the country as the presidential election. I believe that the evidence shows that Kerry won the presidential election and Democrats won a bunch of senate seats, including North Carolina.

The right-wing stole this election and now they're claiming a mandate. Fascists.
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KatieB Donating Member (431 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 10:45 PM
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59. The Independents I knew voted Kerry & Bowles
I too believe NC should have been blue
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Finbar Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 12:40 AM
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7. NC SHOULD have gone blue.
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BelleCarolinaPeridot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 03:36 AM
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10. I felt like skating over to NBC's Democracy Plaza
with a bucket of blue paint and painting the state of NC blue .

Kerry won in NC . I still see Kerry/Edwards signs in yards all over Greensboro and its Sunday .
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YellowDoginthehouse Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 02:54 AM
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8. New Hanover?
Thanks...
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YellowDoginthehouse Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 02:55 AM
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9. New Hanover uses
optical scan machines.
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kamerson Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 10:38 AM
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11. Also interested in New Hanover #s
Stood in line 5 hours Saturday Oct 30th surrounded by Kerry
supporters to vote. It's obvious this is not computing correctly.
Thanks.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 11:22 AM
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12. New Hanover #s

"NEW HANOVER","George W. Bush / ,,44804,
"NEW HANOVER","John F. Kerry / ,35103,


From 2000 NEW HANOVER Gore= 29,292 Bush= 36,503

Hey, can I get some help from fellow NC DU'ers?

I want the #'s from the amendments crunched and compared to the presidential vote. Help!
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kamerson Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 11:50 AM
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13. Would be glad to help....
I don't know exactly what crunching #s would entail, and unfortunately, #'s are definately not my strong suit.
However, I would love to help so let me know what I need to do,
and what the outcome/goal is we are striving for and I will let
you know if I have the capabilities to do it. I have lots of
time on my hands here and dying to do SOMETHING!
Thanks!
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 12:23 PM
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14. Help
Edited on Sun Nov-07-04 12:31 PM by BeFree
On Monday morn. go to your local BOElections office and get a paper copy of your county's election results.

Get mentally ready to file an FOIA request at that same office, a request that Bev Harris has typed up, and one that I will repost here later today.

I have not been able to access the NC administrative code. Can you help with that? There is a section having to do with election laws. Go to a NC state website and find this administrative code:

DRE and Lever Recounts 08 NCAC 09.0108 This means Chapter 8 of the NC Administrative Code, Section 09 and has to do with the code pertaining to the Direct Recording Electronic and Lever machines used in NC.

Note: Search using this:08 NCAC 09.0108

Also, I need all my numbers and figures double checked.

Any listings of registered voters form your county and from any county in NC would be helpful. The NC BOE website is devoid of those figures, so it may have to come from each individual county office.
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kamerson Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 01:50 PM
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17. Will start by searching for the
NC administrative code...should I be looking for anything specific
within that code/section that you listed?
Also, will be glad to look over your figures!
Thanks.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 02:05 PM
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18. I think i'm in there
http://ncrules.state.nc.us/ncadministrativ_/title08election_/chapter09conduc_/default.htm

hit this link above, in upper left corner hit "search"

or just go to search page by hitting this link

http://ncrules.state.nc.us/searchpg.htm and enter 09.0108

scroll down to #5 where it says elections rules and click on that, scroll down about half way and you will see 08 NCAC 09.0108 election stuff/once you get to (c) directly above the text is a 'next' button to see the rest of it or move back and forth
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 05:36 PM
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20. I can only get in there from windows (pc)
my mac won't bring it up.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 06:59 PM
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22. Can you copy it here?
Went to the link and all I get is a blank page. We need to understand the proper procedures for dealing with the DRE so we can make sure those procedures are followed. Thanks!
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 07:59 PM
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23. it's a pdf file , so I really don't know how, it has a
button for copy but it comes up as an applet window. I'll fool around with it and see what I can do.

I get a blank page on my mac, too but on the pc it comes up with no problems. I'll see what I can do.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 08:32 PM
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24. here it is.
08 ncac 09 .0108 DIRECT RECORD ELECTRONIC AND LEVER (DIRECT RECORD MECHANICAL) VOTING MACHINES

(a) In the first recount, all votes cast on each unit shall be retabulated and results provided. The results provided shall be re-read using the team of four rules outlined in Section I of these Rules.

(b) When the first recount has been completed, the board of elections shall follow these steps:

(1) The county board must determine whether the first recount produces a change in the winner;

(2) If the apparent winner after the initial balloting is the apparent loser after the first recount, that candidate shall be entitled to demand a second recount;

(3) If the apparent winner after the initial balloting remains the apparent winner after the first recount, Subparagraph (b)(4) of this Rule must be considered;

(4) The county board must determine whether there is a discrepancy in the machine totals between the initial balloting and the first recount;

(5) If the unit totals from the initial balloting and the first recount are the same, no second recount is necessary;

(6) If the unit totals from the initial balloting and the first recount are not the same, Subparagraph (b)(7) of this Rule must be considered;

(7) The county board must determine whether the discrepancy in the machine total can be reconciled;

(8) The county board shall determine if the discrepancy in the unit totals between the initial balloting and the first recount can be explained. (Possible acceptable explanations may include problems with the setup of the ballot, problems with the software or other unit malfunction); and

(9) If the reconciliation produces a different unit total for the first recount than the unit total in the initial balloting, the losing candidate is entitled to demand a second recount provided by the county board of elections.

(c) A manual recount, by hand and eye, of ballots is not possible whenever a lever machine or direct record electronic voting machine error occurs.

(d) The State Board of Elections shall hear any appeals of recount protests.


History Note: Authority G.S. 163-22; 163-182.7;

Temporary Adoption Eff. April 15, 2002;

Eff. August 1, 2004.

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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 08:44 PM
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27. Thanks a ton
Interesting

Looks like for the races that need a recount (several) we are going to get all kinds of numbers from all the various machines. There are 100 counties in NC and every one of them will have to be recounted for the state races.

What I foresee is the mess from all that is gonna open some eyes to how bad these DRE's are. Specifically the software used and the fact that the software is a secret.

It's gonna be a mess. I wonder if we could get a reporter to follow all of it?
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 09:08 PM
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28. isn't this delightful?
Edited on Sun Nov-07-04 09:11 PM by jdjkkse
"(c) A manual recount, by hand and eye, of ballots is not possible whenever a lever machine or direct record electronic voting machine error occurs. "

WTF?

I want an official tally on how many new millionaires and billionaires W's first term gave this country (since every new policy or bill he passed has been a $$ giveaway for his buddies to the detriment of the rest of the country, like having boe's buy these machines from his buddies when they can't even be recounted).

If you can't do a freaking hand recount, then how in the hell did the money ever get laid out in the first place for these pieces of crap?

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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 09:25 PM
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29. Right
The lever machines were outlawed because they couldn't be recounted and what did they put in place? DRE's that can't be recounted.

Read that NC has blocked certification of ANY voting machines until further notice.

Gawd, I pray the coming recount is the most horrible mess. That will make further work on BBV a piece of cake.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 07:00 AM
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30. yes, there were THREE stories of messed up counts on
Friday's Charlotte Observer, 1 the front page header and 2 within.

Said the reason the commissioner's race was messed up (4000 more votes than voters) was because the results from early voting were downloaded onto a central computer, and someone may have downloaded some results TWICE. From reading this I don't know why it should not be clear to anyone that they can do ANYTHING they want with these machines.

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KatieB Donating Member (431 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 01:23 AM
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64. Same exact machine problem in Collier County, FL with same machine
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 06:55 PM
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21. New Bern
http://www.newbernsj.com/SiteProcessor.cfm?Template=/GlobalTemplates/Details.cfm&StoryID=18297&Section=Local

A systems software glitch in Craven County's electronic voting equipment is being blamed for a vote miscount that, when corrected, changed the outcome of at least one race in Tuesday's election.

Then, in the rush to make right the miscalculation that swelled the number of votes for president here by 11,283 more votes than the total number cast, a human mistake further delayed accurate totals for the 40,534 who voted.

The glitch occurred Tuesday night as absentee ballot totals for one-stop early voting at three Craven County locations and ballots mailed-in were being entered, said Tiffiney Miller, Craven County Board of Elections director.

The Elections Systems and Software equipment had downloaded voting information from nine of the county's 26 precincts and as the absentee ballots were added, the precinct totals were added a second time. Precincts affected were Havelock East, Havelock West, River Bend, Cove City, Ernul, Fort Totten, Grover C. Fields, Glenburnie and West New Bern.


If anyone is in New Bern, they need to get to the Election office Monday morning and see just what the heck is going on there.

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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 08:37 PM
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26. Link to the numbers
ftp://www.sboe.state.nc.us/enrs/pricounty.txt

Updated recently

Caveat: There are almost 6,000 lines. Try this link for the SBOE

http://www.app2.sboe.state.nc.us/index.html
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ignatzmouse Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:10 PM
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31. One million NC Absentee votes match exit polls!
I just posted this to the regular forum, but this is where BeFree directed me to look at the NC numbers, so I think it is worth posting here as well.

Okay, I've spent the better part of the night with the NC voter numbers, and I've reached the conclusion that there is a stunning case for tampering. Let's start with one sample county. I pulled their election data that lists number of registered voters by county and breaks it down into party affiliation, race, and gender. I chose a predominately black county to give a sharper idea and get free of the crossover voter charge. Here are the demographics for Bertie County, North carolina as of 10-31-2004.

Bertie County has 14,460 registered voters:

Party Affiliation
12052 DEM 83%
1403 REP 10%
1005 UNA/LIB 7%

Ethnicity
8685 BLACK 60%
5633 WHITE 39%
18 AM.INDIAN
12 HISPANIC
34 OTHER

GENDER
8370 FEMALE 58%
6017 MALE 42%

So you can see in every category, this is a Democratic lock.

This is how the vote was recorded:

4801 Kerry/Edwards 61%
3027 Bush/Cheney 38%
35 Badnarik 1%
2 Nader -
7865 Total (a turnout of 54%)

On the face, it's shocking to see a 22% drop in the Democratic vote and a 28% gain in the Republican vote of registered voters. But, we have to be careful in the rural South even in a county that is mostly black. As a reference, let's also look at how the county voted in 2000.

DEM - A. Gore-J. Lieberman 4,660 65%
REP - G. W. Bush-D. Cheney 2,488 35%
LIB - H. Browne-A. Olivier 11 0%
RFM - P. Buchanan-E. Foster 17 0%
7,176

Hmmmm. Well, that shows a 7% swing from 2000 to 2004 for Bush/Cheney. A little hard to believe, but not totally impossible I guess given the possibility that this might be an overwhelmingly democratic black county filled with big Rush Limbaugh fans. Let's look at some further numbers from Bertie and see if they can shed some light.

Senate
Bowles (D) 5089 66%
Burr (R) 2614 34%
Bailey 51 >1%
Total 7754

Governor
Easley (D) 5592 73%
Ballantine (R) 2036 27%
Howe 66 .009%
Total 7694

Secretary of State
Marshall (D) 5,624 77%
Rao (R) 1,650 23%
Total 7274

Notice the Senate race also appears supressed for the Democrats. All other races in Bertie County ran roughly in the range of 73-78% Democrat to 22-27% Republican except for President and Senator. Recall that it was also vitally important for Bush to enter his second term with a substantive majority in the Senate. The same Republican Senate bulge can also be seen in Kentucky for Bunning and likely other states as well. My guess is that they got greedy in states with potential Senate seats and gave them an additional bump to help their majority -- probably making those results even further divergent from the exit polls. It also mirrors the previous data I posted on amendment vote correlation to presidential votes. The bigger the swing necessary, the larger the disparity with amendment votes. (See below for more.)

Now after many hours of going over these figures, I began to ask myself a few questions. If I were to set out to rig the election, how would I go about it? I would have to be smart. There couldn't be a paper trail for them to catch me. The fewer people in on the fix, the better - a programmer or two perhaps but anyone more could create too many loose ends that couldn't be controlled. It would have to be either in the touchscreen machine programming, an entry point in the tabulating computer, or in the main computer's software. Nothing with a paper trail. As we've seen systems with a paper trail came very close to matching the exit polls. Systems without paper trails were often well off the exit polls. BUT THERE'S ANOTHER PAPER TRAIL: ABSENTEE BALLOTS.

With that in mind, I decided to have a look at North Carolina's absentee ballots. It was hidden in the precinct data, so it took me a while to download it and go through it county by county. Incidentally, Lee and Catawba counties reported no absentees, so I don't know if they are missing or recorded elsewhere. But for the other 100 counties, the results are:

BUSH KERRY OTHER TOTAL
529755 469522 2749 1002026
53% 47% >1%

Interestingly, that's amazingly close to the exit polls, a 6% difference bewtween Bush and Kerry. The official statewide results, however, show a full 12% difference:

BUSH KERRY OTHER TOTAL
1,926,186 1,492,058 12630 3,430,874
56% 44% >1%

And worst, if one subtracts the absentees, to see how the "vote" actually occurred at the polls, we see a 16% difference -- even further away from the reality of the exit polls -- and this is what they actually sampled!

BUSH KERRY OTHER TOTAL
1396431 1022536 9881 2428848
58% 42% >1%

Holy crap, Batman! The absentees are loudly pointing out the tampering, and I have a strong suspicion that they will prove similar in other states. Absentees are the largest real sample we have (more than a million in NC). Why else would they be SO FAR FROM THE POLL VOTE? THERE IS CONCERTED AND DIRECTED ELECTION TAMPERING!!! CHECK THE ABSENTEES and see how close they come to the exit polls in the states that are out of whack.

One final note...

The other benchmark I used previously was the amendment vote disparity: what percentage of voters voted on both the presidential election and on the state's amendments? Tellingly, North Carolina like Kentucky with a close and necessary Senate race had a horrible percentage. It leads me to believe that whatever fix they were using dropped off the amendment votes (i.e. if it didn't have an R or a D, it didn't register on the change). Just 86% of North Carolina voters seemed to have voted on their top amendment. Using Oregon's paper ballot standard of amendment-presidential vote correlation, it reveals a potential 439,066 missing amendment votes in NC. Dividing that number by the total votes cast gives a percentage of 13%. The figure must be considered a very rough estimate due to uncertainty, but again it is revealingly very close to the exit poll differential.
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TalkingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 03:51 PM
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32. A letter from the NC Board of Elections General Counsel
Edited on Mon Nov-08-04 03:53 PM by TalkingDog
I sent him an email with my concerns. His response is shown below. Please send him your findings.

Anyone from NC who feels that this election is suspect, please write to Don Wright don.wright@ncmail.net and to our Democratic Govenor Mike Easley.



Dear X:

It is to be expected that there will be changes in number of votes cast for parties and candidates year to year. The fact that one candidate ran better in 2004 than he did in 2000 is not a basis for investigation. There are some counties where the democratic candidate ran better in 2004 than in 2000 and vice versa.


Direct record electronic (DRE) voting systems have been used in North Carolina since 1988 when Guilford County begin to use them. Currently, 40 counties use DRE voting systems. The history of DRE use in North Carolina has been good, with millions of votes cast upon the machines.



All but the very oldest DRE machines are capable of producing a paper read out of their votes and vote totals. These audits are produced at the close of voting for crosschecking poll book data and to keep as records of the vote. As far as producing an individual paper receipt for each voter, there is no widely available DRE on the market now that offers that feature. Sequoia voting systems are planning to test a device that prints such individual receipts for each voter in the September 2004 Nevada Primary, by running those systems in Clark County (Las Vegas). There is much national interest to see how this election goes. Previous efforts to use individual paper receipts for voters did not do well in Sacramento County California, Wilton, Connecticut and a test during a Brazilian election.



Like most other states, North Carolina is awaiting the federal Election Assistance Commission guidelines as to voting systems to make any major changes in our voting systems requirements. These guidelines will not be set prior to the November 2004 election. For 2004, we hope to continue the good record of election administration in North Carolina with the same systems, rules, and procedures we have used in the past. But please be assured that this office is very much aware of the debate over DRE machines, and will continue to monitor it and other voting systems developments as we prepare in 2005 to address the issue.



The recent comments of the EAC chair DeForest Soaries might be of interest to you. He said the commission is hoping to have new standards ready for public discussion by next summer.

"I'd rather move slower and be inclusive and transparent than to move quickly ... with a product that has precision but is perceived to have been done behind closed doors," Soaries said.

"The country owes you a debt of thanks to have taken this challenge of voting systems seriously," DeForest B. Soaries Jr., chairman of the newly formed federal Election Assistance Commission, said to members of the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers, or IEEE, who are in the process of drafting new standards for electronic voting systems.

In addition to establishing new standards, the commission will have to create a process for upgrading the standards as technologies evolve. Commissioners also will look at the viability of putting in place national standards for election procedures. This could include protocol for handling machines that malfunction during an election and physically securing machines and voting data. Soaries said it would likely take three to five years to produce the first generation of such standards.

"This is not a sprint, this is a long-distance race," Soaries said.

The current returns are unofficial and will be made on official on county canvass day, tomorrow Tuesday, November 9th. Those official totals would have been checked several times before tomorrow. After this office receives the county totals, we will audit them as well. The state totals will be made official on November 23rd, the state board canvass day. Incorrect addition, transposed numbers and other errors are caught during these times. We will be looking over each county's total after their canvass.

Sincerely,
Don Wright General Counsel

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KatieB Donating Member (431 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 10:58 PM
Response to Reply #32
60. Here's the message I received from Don Wright - no concern for "precision"
I wrote him too. I pointed out the electronic machines. He wrote back saying - hey - human error. I felt insulted with this answer and sent him the 4 lines of code provided by another DUer that could have prevents Carteret County. (No "switch" involved.)
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November 10, 2004
Dear Ms. X:

There was a malfunction of a voting machine in Carteret County because the company technician failed to set the machine to handle a higher number of votes. It was a simple matter of pressing an additional switch. The other counties you refer to were counties that reported total incorrectly and later corrected the reporting, had a ballot error as to the placement of a candidate that was corrected prior to the election, or miscounted the first attempt absentee votes. All those matters were quickly corrected.

The counties you mentioned use a variety of voting systems, punch cards, optical scan paper ballot, and electronic machines that are used by 93 out of 100 NC counties. The seven remaining counties either use paper ballots that are deposited in a ballot box and must be hand counted or lever machines an obsolete technology that has not been manufactured in this country for decades. The point is, that voting systems and the reports of voting totals work as well as the persons who are manning the machines or producing the report. As with every election, human errors do occur, and we have and will continue to address each error as to causation, and whether procedures should change to help prevent future errors. As the high rate of highway accidents show, the human factor in technology is and will be the primary source of accidents and errors.

No state or county board anywhere in our country can guarantee you an election without human error, but we are committed to that goal. Please be assured that the human errors in the counties you name are corrected and actions taken as to them.

Don Wright

General Counsel

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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 06:38 PM
Response to Reply #31
33. God bless you, ignatzmouse
What you wrote has been roiling around in my head in bits and pieces, never quite coming together until I read your words here.

When my county's absentee totals showed a 15% swing from the numbers posted tabulated on Nov. 2, I knew something was up.

Thank you for doing all that... how did you get all those other figures? I'd been searching high and low for registrations, etc. to no avail.

Damn fine to see it all come together in one place. Your script will be a great handout and email. I can't say thanks enough. Thanks and God bless you.
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ignatzmouse Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 09:44 PM
Response to Reply #31
35. NC's Absentees are nearly a third of the total votes: it's solid
Just be certain they don't pull the old but-absentees-aren't-accurate-of-the-poll-results schtick. The sample in NC was huge. Nearly 1/3 of the total votes cast in the state! And they did show the usual tilt in favor of white, wealthier voters -- the absentees were 2% more towards Bush than the exit polls. That just makes the case that the exit polls were accurate all the more solid.

For those who need NC's county absentee breakdown, I'll post them next as downloaded.

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ignatzmouse Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 09:52 PM
Response to Reply #35
36. NC Absentee Data by County
ALAMANCE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",13546,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 13546
ALAMANCE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Ralph Nader (Write-In)","UNA",2,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 2
ALAMANCE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",8010,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 8010
ALAMANCE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",39,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 39
ALEXANDER,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",16,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 16
ALEXANDER,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Ralph Nader (Write-In)","UNA",1,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1
ALEXANDER,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",1736,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1736
ALEXANDER,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",3744,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 3744
ALLEGHANY,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",1076,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1076
ALLEGHANY,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",898,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 898
ALLEGHANY,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",9,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 9
ANSON,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",1185,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1185
ANSON,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",5,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 5
ANSON,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",1894,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1894
ASHE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",1747,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1747
ASHE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",1460,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1460
ASHE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",8,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 8
AVERY,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",3,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 3
AVERY,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",408,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 408
AVERY,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",1033,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1033
BEAUFORT,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",3436,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 3436
BEAUFORT,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",12,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 12
BEAUFORT,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",1603,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1603
BERTIE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",792,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 792
BERTIE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Ralph Nader (Write-In)","UNA",1,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1
BERTIE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",1110,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1110
BERTIE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",7,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 7
BLADEN,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",1752,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1752
BLADEN,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",6,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 6
BLADEN,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",1397,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1397
BRUNSWICK,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Ralph Nader (Write-In)","UNA",4,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 4
BRUNSWICK,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",5872,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 5872
BRUNSWICK,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",40,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 40
BRUNSWICK,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",8920,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 8920
BUNCOMBE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",20548,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 20548
BUNCOMBE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",22256,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 22256
BUNCOMBE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",148,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 148
BURKE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",4718,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 4718
BURKE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",3612,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 3612
BURKE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Ralph Nader (Write-In)","UNA",2,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 2
BURKE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",18,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 18
CABARRUS,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",9144,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 9144
CABARRUS,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Walt Brown / Mary Alice Herbert (Write-In)","UNA",10,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 10
CABARRUS,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",4811,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 4811
CABARRUS,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",48,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 48
CALDWELL,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",8442,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 8422
CALDWELL,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Walt Brown / Mary Alice Herbert (Write-In)","UNA",15,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 15
CALDWELL,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",36,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 36
CALDWELL,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",4364,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 4364
CAMDEN,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",806,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 806
CAMDEN,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",3,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 3
CAMDEN,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",389,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 389
CARTERET,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",14,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 14
CARTERET,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",1425,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1425
CARTERET,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Walt Brown / Mary Alice Herbert (Write-In)","UNA",2,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 2
CARTERET,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",2926,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 2926
CASWELL,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",7,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 7
CASWELL,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",1061,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1061
CASWELL,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",939,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 939
CASWELL,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Walt Brown / Mary Alice Herbert (Write-In)","UNA",2,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 2
CATAWBA NO ABSENTEES???
CHATHAM,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",5015,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 5015
CHATHAM,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",31,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 31
CHATHAM,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Ralph Nader (Write-In)","UNA",6,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 6
CHATHAM,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",6099,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 6099
CHEROKEE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",2078,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 2078
CHEROKEE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",7,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 7
CHEROKEE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",1109,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1109
CHOWAN,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",696,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 696
CHOWAN,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",595,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 595
CLAY,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",1521,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1521
CLAY,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",8,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 8
CLAY,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",837,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 837
CLAY,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Ralph Nader (Write-In)","UNA",1,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1
CLEVELAND,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",4035,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 4035
CLEVELAND,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",21,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 21
CLEVELAND,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",3239,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 3239
CLEVELAND,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Ralph Nader (Write-In)","UNA",3,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 3
CLEVELAND,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","David Cobb (Write-In)","UNA",1,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1
COLUMBUS,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",18,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 18
COLUMBUS,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",2991,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 2991
COLUMBUS,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Ralph Nader (Write-In)","UNA",3,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 3
COLUMBUS,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",2866,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 2866
CRAVEN,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",10725,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 10725
CRAVEN,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",53,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 53
CRAVEN,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",7399,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 7399
CRAVEN,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Ralph Nader (Write-In)","UNA",11,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 11
CUMBERLAND,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",79,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 79
CUMBERLAND,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",11802,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 11802
CUMBERLAND,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",12461,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 12461
CURRITUCK,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",796,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 796
CURRITUCK,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",4,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 4
CURRITUCK,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",381,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 381
DARE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",2451,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 2451
DARE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",15,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 15
DARE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",1876,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1876
DARE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Ralph Nader (Write-In)","UNA",2,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 2
DAVIDSON,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",11552,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 11552
DAVIDSON,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",4811,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 4811
DAVIDSON,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",45,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 45
DAVIE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",1404,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1404
DAVIE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",19,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 19
DAVIE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",3386,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 3386
DUPLIN,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",14,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 14
DUPLIN,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",2099,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 2099
DUPLIN,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",2633,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 2633
DUPLIN,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Walt Brown / Mary Alice Herbert (Write-In)","UNA",3,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 3
DURHAM,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",32600,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 32600
DURHAM,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",127,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 127
DURHAM,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",15392,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 15392
EDGECOMBE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",1693,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1693
EDGECOMBE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",3112,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 3112
EDGECOMBE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",6,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 6
FORSYTH,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",15482,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 15482
FORSYTH,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",15093,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 15093
FORSYTH,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",68,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 68
FRANKLIN,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",2462,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 2462
FRANKLIN,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Walt Brown / Mary Alice Herbert (Write-In)","UNA",13,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 13
FRANKLIN,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",2282,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 2282
FRANKLIN,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",15,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 15
GASTON,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",1977,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1977
GASTON,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Ralph Nader (Write-In)","UNA",1,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1
GASTON,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",855,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 855
GASTON,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",6,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 6
GATES,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",277,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 277
GATES,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",358,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 358
GATES,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Ralph Nader (Write-In)","UNA",1,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1
GRAHAM,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",3,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 3
GRAHAM,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",460,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 460
GRAHAM,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Walt Brown / Mary Alice Herbert (Write-In)","UNA",1,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1
GRAHAM,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",722,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 722
GRANVILLE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",7,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 7
GRANVILLE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Ralph Nader (Write-In)","UNA",4,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 4
GRANVILLE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",2275,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 2275
GRANVILLE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",2172,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 2172
GREENE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",1012,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1012
GREENE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",690,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 690
GUILFORD,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",220,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 220
GUILFORD,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",39637,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 39637
GUILFORD,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",37676,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 37676
HALIFAX,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",4,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 4
HALIFAX,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",1134,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1134
HALIFAX,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",1766,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1766
HARNETT,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",2597,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 2597
HARNETT,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",4769,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 4769
HARNETT,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",14,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 14
HAYWOOD,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",27,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 27
HAYWOOD,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Walt Brown / Mary Alice Herbert (Write-In)","UNA",3,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 3
HAYWOOD,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",4010,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 4010
HAYWOOD,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",5000,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 5000
HAYWOOD,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Ralph Nader (Write-In)","UNA",10,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 10
HENDERSON,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",30,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 30
HENDERSON,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Ralph Nader (Write-In)","UNA",7,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 7
HENDERSON,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",4293,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 4293
HENDERSON,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",7302,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 7302
HERTFORD,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",7,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 7
HERTFORD,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",638,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 638
HERTFORD,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",1330,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1330
HOKE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",7,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 7
HOKE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",2002,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 2002
HOKE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",1759,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1759
HYDE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",1,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1
HYDE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",141,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 141
HYDE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",78,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 78
IREDELL,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",9256,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 9256
IREDELL,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",4600,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 4600
IREDELL,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Walt Brown / Mary Alice Herbert (Write-In)","UNA",14,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 14
IREDELL,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",26,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 26
JACKSON,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",22,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 22
JACKSON,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",2282,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 2282
JACKSON,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",2516,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 2516
JOHNSTON,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",1133,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1133
JOHNSTON,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",381,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 381
JONES,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",363,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 363
JONES,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",597,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 597
LEE (NO ABSENTEES???)
LENOIR,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",4650,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 4650
LENOIR,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",2629,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 2629
LENOIR,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",4,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 4
LINCOLN,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",2651,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 2651
LINCOLN,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",4667,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 4667
LINCOLN,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",15,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 15
LINCOLN,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Ralph Nader (Write-In)","UNA",1,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1
MACON,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",18,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 18
MACON,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",3757,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 3757
MACON,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",2344,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 2344
MADISON,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",1370,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1370
MADISON,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",1251,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1251
MADISON,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",15,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 15
MADISON,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Ralph Nader (Write-In)","UNA",1,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1
MARTIN,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",2,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 2
MARTIN,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Ralph Nader (Write-In)","UNA",1,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1
MARTIN,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",1109,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1109
MARTIN,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",1071,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1071
MCDOWELL,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",2039,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 2039
MCDOWELL,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",3664,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 3664
MCDOWELL,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",16,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 16
MECKLENBURG,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",55405,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 55405
MECKLENBURG,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",47209,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 47209
MECKLENBURG,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",232,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 232
MITCHELL,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",1759,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1759
MITCHELL,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",923,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 923
MITCHELL,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",6,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 6
MONTGOMERY,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",713,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 713
MONTGOMERY,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",990,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 990
MOORE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",19,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 19
MOORE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",7657,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 7657
MOORE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",4569,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 4569
NASH,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",8157,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 8157
NASH,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",5479,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 5479
NASH,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",13,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 13
NASH,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Ralph Nader (Write-In)","UNA",7,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 7
NEW HANOVER,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",8727,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 8727
NEW HANOVER,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",10973,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 10973
NEW HANOVER,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",60,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 60
NORTHAMPTON,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Walt Brown / Mary Alice Herbert (Write-In)","UNA",1,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1
NORTHAMPTON,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",661,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 661
NORTHAMPTON,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",1004,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1004
NORTHAMPTON,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",2,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 2
ONSLOW,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",5690,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 5690
ONSLOW,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",2811,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 2811
ONSLOW,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",24,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 24
ORANGE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","David Cobb (Write-In)","UNA",2,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 2
ORANGE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",8549,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 8549
ORANGE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",24482,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 24482
ORANGE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Ralph Nader (Write-In)","UNA",56,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 11
ORANGE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",109,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 109
PAMLICO,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",996,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 996
PAMLICO,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",1391,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1391
PAMLICO,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",3,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 3
PAMLICO,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Ralph Nader (Write-In)","UNA",2,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 2
PASQUOTANK,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",19,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 19
PASQUOTANK,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",3477,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 3477
PASQUOTANK,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",3067,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 3067
PENDER,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Walt Brown / Mary Alice Herbert (Write-In)","UNA",1,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1
PENDER,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",2434,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 2434
PENDER,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",1760,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1760
PENDER,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",9,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 9
PERQUIMANS,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",617,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 617
PERQUIMANS,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",1026,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1026
PERQUIMANS,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",3,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 3
PERSON,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",16,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 16
PERSON,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",4788,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 4788
PERSON,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",3074,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 3074
PITT,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",20,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 20
PITT,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",6233,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 6233
PITT,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",7303,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 7303
POLK,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",1967,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1967
POLK,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",1703,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1703
POLK,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",26,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 26
POLK,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Ralph Nader (Write-In)","UNA",5,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 5
RANDOLPH,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",3939,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 3939
RANDOLPH,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",10758,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 10758
RANDOLPH,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",36,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 36
RICHMOND,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Walt Brown / Mary Alice Herbert (Write-In)","UNA",7,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 7
RICHMOND,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",2604,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 2604
RICHMOND,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",2793,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 2793
RICHMOND,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",8,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 8
ROBESON,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",2038,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 2038
ROBESON,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",1835,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1835
ROBESON,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Ralph Nader (Write-In)","UNA",3,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 3
ROBESON,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",6,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 6
ROCKINGHAM,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",5505,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 5505
ROCKINGHAM,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",3797,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 3797
ROCKINGHAM,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Walt Brown / Mary Alice Herbert (Write-In)","UNA",26,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 26
ROCKINGHAM,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",18,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 18
ROWAN,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",4215,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 4215
ROWAN,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",7776,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 7776
ROWAN,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Ralph Nader (Write-In)","UNA",8,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 8
ROWAN,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",28,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 28
RUTHERFORD,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",3171,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 3171
RUTHERFORD,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",5784,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 5784
RUTHERFORD,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",42,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 42
SAMPSON,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",284,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 284
SAMPSON,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",174,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 174
SCOTLAND,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",1933,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1933
SCOTLAND,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",5,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 5
SCOTLAND,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",2287,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 2287
STANLY,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",2654,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 2654
STANLY,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",6344,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 6344
STANLY,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",29,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 29
STOKES,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",884,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 884
STOKES,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",1634,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1634
STOKES,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",4,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 4
SURRY,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",2401,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 2401
SURRY,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",23,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 23
SURRY,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",4277,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 4277
SWAIN,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",5,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 5
SWAIN,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",629,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 629
SWAIN,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",777,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 777
TRANSYLVANIA,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",2408,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 2408
TRANSYLVANIA,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",24,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 24
TRANSYLVANIA,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Ralph Nader (Write-In)","UNA",7,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 7
TRANSYLVANIA,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",3510,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 3510
TYRRELL,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",123,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 123
TYRRELL,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",1,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1
TYRRELL,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",96,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 96
UNION,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",2013,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 2013
UNION,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",2,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 2
UNION,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",793,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 793
VANCE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",9,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 9
VANCE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",1702,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1702
VANCE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",2181,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 2181
WAKE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",51899,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 51899
WAKE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",45974,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 45974
WAKE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",224,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 224
WARREN,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Walt Brown / Mary Alice Herbert (Write-In)","UNA",3,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 3
WARREN,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",2,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 2
WARREN,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",652,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 652
WARREN,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",1527,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1527
WASHINGTON,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",732,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 732
WASHINGTON,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",1,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1
WASHINGTON,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Ralph Nader (Write-In)","UNA",3,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 3
WASHINGTON,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",538,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 538
WATAUGA,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",4858,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 4858
WATAUGA,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Ralph Nader (Write-In)","UNA",12,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 12
WATAUGA,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",25,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 25
WATAUGA,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",5325,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 5325
WAYNE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",14073,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 14073
WAYNE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",28,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 28
WAYNE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Ralph Nader (Write-In)","UNA",5,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 5
WAYNE,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",6972,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 6972
WILKES,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",4367,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 4367
WILKES,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","Michael Badnarik / Richard Campagna","LIB",15,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 15
WILKES,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",2108,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 2108
WILSON,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","John F. Kerry / John Edwards","DEM",4569,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 4569
WILSON,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","George W. Bush / Dick Cheney","REP",5714,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 5714
WILSON,"11/02/2004","A ","ABSENTEE ","PRESIDENT","David Cobb (Write-In)","UNA",1,2004-11-08 04:00:10.590000000 1
WILSON,"11/02/2004","A
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 12:06 PM
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41. My husband and I voted absentee in Catawba Co.
They didn't count our votes!
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 07:34 PM
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34. BeFree....trying to work on this in Wake....please keep this going..
It's like "pulling teeth" but we've got to keep the info coming...I'm trying hard to get more info...thanks!!!
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 09:13 AM
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39. Pulling teeth, indeed
I'm not quitting. I'll never quit. These machines have seen their last use in the state of North Carolina.

We will also prove, sooner or later, that many a vote was lost, stolen, or miscounted, and those responsible will pay.

It is 9:15 am on Tuesday. At 11 am the canvass of the votes begins in my county. I will be there to make sure the begin to right the wrong. Look for my report later.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 09:59 PM
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37. Keep it going, I think I'm gonna get the final count numbers and will
post..but not until tomorrow...Keep it going...please
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TalkingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 10:28 PM
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38. Channel 3 in Charlotte
Just blamed the voting machine discrepencies (in part) on a "power outage" that did not allow the machines to reset.

The fellow they were interviewing (sorry I didn't get his name) said they were still looking into the rest of the wayward votes.

It was given very brief lip service. The media seem to be getting the message that they need to say something...anything to mollify us. I say Give me an inch, I'm demanding a mile.


Keep it up guys.

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ignatzmouse Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:34 AM
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40. Bowles Won The Absentee Vote: A Look Inside the Numbers
Okay, first up I looked at the absentee voting for the NC Senate between Burr (R) and Bowles (D). I'm happy to announce after another night of pouring through this stuff that Bowles won the absentee voting by a very slim margin.

ABSENTEE TOTALS
BOWLES (D) 492,536 49.254%
BURR (R) 492,116 49.212%
OTHERS 9917 0.997%
TOTAL 994,569

As stated, absentee votes have been discounted as a predictor in the past because they favored a more white, suburban, conservative base out of proportion to the overall vote. With that in mind, let's subtract the absentees from the overall election to find the actual poll vote. We find oddly, just the opposite by a whopping 6.8% gain for the conservative candidate Burr. By moving against the grain, it only makes the case more solid that the absentees are giving us clear evidence of tampering with the poll numbers.

POLL RESULTS
BURR (R) 1,266,738 52.6%
BOWLES (D) 1,103,137 45.8%
OTHER 37,479 1.6%
TOTAL 2,407,354

It is absolutely absurd that anyone can believe the poll results could be so far out of balance. It isn't in the realm of reality. Further, absentee ballots accounted for nearly 1/3 of the overall vote (29%) at just over a million votes. The possibility of an anomaly becomes more insignificant as we approach a greater percentage of the overall vote. There is no doubt in my mind that this thing was rigged, but look at the data and draw your own conclusions.

With the senatorial data we have another set of parameters beyond the presidential returns with which to work. It allows a little better look inside the numbers. Let's see if we can glean anything about how much of a boost there was in the poll vote.

I'm going to begin with the pretty solid assumption that absentee votes tend to be cast by a higher percentage of white, suburban voters than the overall vote. Therefore, if the opposite pattern appears then something is really skewing the data. The differential in NC's presidential percentages is 9.4% toward the conservative candidate Bush. The number is screaming that something is very, very wrong in the poll data. 9.4% is arrived at by looking at the absentee data where Bush led Kerry by 6% (52.9% to 46.9%) and at the poll data where Bush led Kerry by 15.4% (57.5% to 42.1%). Subtracting 6 from 15.4, we get 9.4. It appears that Bush got a bump of 9.4 against the normal grain of elections.

To refine the data further, let's look at the Senate race. The absentee vote was practically tied with a very small margin in favor of Bowles -- the differential is 0%. The poll vote again went against the grain and gave the Republican Burr a 6.8% advantage (52.6% to 45.8%). 6.8 +/- 0 = 6.8. Now, let's take the mean of 6.8 and 9.4, and we get 8.1%. So based on my assumptions, I'm going to say there conservatively appears to be an 8% push of numbers. I would be happy if a statistician could provide more insight, refinement, or adjustment. My work isn't meant to be conclusive, but a starting point.

What would an 8% differential mean to the results? The 56-44 (12%) presidential win for Bush, would have been reduced by 8 to 52-48 (4%), identical to the exit polling. And Bowles would have switched places with Burr, defeating him 51-47.

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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 08:31 PM
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44. Good work, ignatzmouse
An 8% push sounds about right. You have a knack for this, eh?

If it's ok by you, I'm gonna start another thread with your analysis.
People need to see your work. I started another thread with your previous work in 'Presidential', did you see it? Gave you credit, of course.

It would be most excellent to have someone else look over your figuring, but it looks damn solid to me.

Good work!
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ignatzmouse Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:52 AM
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45. Thanks!
Thanks very much! You're right, I've tried to start a thread but as yet I'm not past the required number of posts.
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faithfull Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 01:46 PM
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53. u
Hope you dont mind, im using some of your numbers in a county meeting on Tuesday. Can we get a comprehensive list of problems in NC precincts/disricts/counties? I'll try and put what i have so far up this afternoon. Were definitely organizing, and i hope youll stay in touch.
thank you!

:donut:
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NCvoter Donating Member (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 06:28 PM
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42. Currently the NC BOE website
http://www.sboe.state.nc.us/enrs/resultsby_contest_summary.asp?ED=11xx02xx2004UGENERAL2004REPUUS%2520SENATE&B1=Submit


Erskine Bowles DEM 2,104,637 100%
Richard Burr REP 1,777,042 100%


I have to wonder how this mix up has happened.

I have the county numbers, precinct by precinct for NC. The absentee totals are very high. Are the early voting totals lumped in with the absentee totals? If not, then there was an enormous absentee effort, with fewer people showing up at several precincts on election day. I'm guessing it has to include early voting.

If this is the case, is there any way to really know who voted from each precinct?

I'll be glad to share my numbers with anybody interested.

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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 08:18 PM
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43. NCvoter
Edited on Tue Nov-09-04 08:33 PM by BeFree
Here's what I got from the SBOE:

US SENATE Total votes 3404523
Erskine Bowles DEM 1,600,393 100%
Richard Burr REP 1,757,027 100%
Tom Bailey LIB 46,694 100%
Walker F. Rucker (Write-In) UNA 409 100%

In my county the early voters were included with the absentee.

As stated earlier the early/absentee vote was near 29% of the vote totals. We need a further breakdown of those numbers. If ya have the time. <grin>

Did you see ignatzmouse's work above?
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 05:42 PM
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54. Now it's showing a much different number, Nov 12 2004
updated at 3:31

Name on Ballot Party Ballot Count
Richard Burr REP 1,791,460
Erskine Bowles DEM 1,632,509
Tom Bailey LIB 47,741
Walker F. Rucker (Write-In) UNA 362


So Bowles has LOST 472,128 votes 3 days AFTER they report 100%? How did they cast negative absentee ballots?
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ignatzmouse Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:54 AM
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46. NC Absentee Vote Correlates: A Case For Tampering
One area I reviewed as a possible signature of fraud was a ratio of amendment vote to presidential vote. Two avenues of tampering that I can think of would leave a trace if the ratio was substantially different for different voting systems. An undervote in amendment counts would indicate a hacker simply adding a number of votes for the candidate of choice, or a code flaw that switched (R) and (D) votes for instance but dropped those that didn't meet the party criteria like amendment counts. In NC, however, the amendment-presidential vote ratio is nearly identical in absentee and poll votes at around 86%. What do we draw from that?

I think it is safe to rule out simple vote adding by a hacker unless they were sophisticated enough to add votes in all categories -- not likely. (Of course, a hacker could still simply swap votes without throwing off the ratio.) For those states that suspect simple accounting adds as a source of fraud, I would say check the overall vote count from the polls and the absentee ballots and measure the ratio of presidential to amendment votes in each. If they're distinctly off, you may have someone or a tabulator doing candidate specific adds. If they're not off, you probably need to look elsewhere. Vote adds are simply too easy to spot as we have seen nationally in a few counties. My take is that those adds are likely to be just errors, not the real source of fraud. If we're dealing with this concerted of an effort, the people involved are going to be too smart for that (caveat: unless they panicked late in the game in a close state like Ohio that was needed to swing the election).

In states like North Carolina where the exit polls are far off the results, however, ruling out the amendment differential strengthens the case that the poll voting disparity was achieved by hidden programming either at the touchscreen level or in the central computer. It could be a vote flip of some kind or a tabulating percentage. Additionally, the percentages voting for and against Amendment 2, the amendment I first checked, are nearly identical in the absentee and poll voting -- but wait, isn't that suggestive that the disparity between Presidential and Senatorial votes might have been pushed in the poll data by a programmer? If the absentee vote is in agreement with the poll results on the amendments, it makes a strong case that the other results should also reflect parity. These are the results:

NC Amendment 2:

Poll Vote:
For 1655249 77.7%
Against 474431 22.3%

Absentee Vote:
For 679434 78.6%
Against 185101 21.4%


Hey now, that looks like a freaking match. After I saw that, I decided to take a look at the other amendments on the NC ballot. I wanted to really test the parity of the large absentee vote with the poll vote by hopefully finding a divisive amendment with close results. The importance is that a state amendment vote (except for possibly the marriage protection nonsense) does not have any *national significance*, so there is absolutely no reason to rig a state amendment if one were looking to influence national results. Get it? It simply doesn't matter in the national scheme and neither does it have an effect on any party's office totals, majorities, or policy/contract influence. At the same time, however, an amendment can be considered along the same lines of conservative (anti-tax) and liberal (public works/spending). If such an amendment presented itself, it could serve as a damn good benchmark for the correlation of the absentee and poll votes. If the absentee votes were weighted by a large influx of urban liberal voters, let's say, it would show up by forcing a clear disparity with the poll vote. If no disparity shows up between the absentee and poll results, then it makes an extremely tight case that the absentee vote is in sync with the poll vote.

Enter Amendment 1. NC Amendment 1 was asking for approval of a revenue bill that would provide funds for community development projects by increasing property values and therefore property taxes. Perhaps some North Carolinians can comment further on the meaning and specifics, but looking at the county demographics, counties with higher white Republican bases appear to have been more opposed to the measure. Heavily Democratic bases tended to favor it. The vote, like the Senate race, was very close with a slim majority in favor of it.

NC Amendment 1:
General Election Totals
For 1,494,789 51.2%
Against 1,423,195 48.8%
Total 2,917,984

Absentee Votes
For 432,697 51.7%
Against 403,475 48.3%
Total 836,172

Poll Results
For 1,062,092 51.0%
Against 1,019,720 49.0%
Total 2,081,812


The results are in lock-step! Now, how in God's name can the Presidential and Senatorial poll results be so divergent from the absentee ballots in NC -- nearly 15.4% on the Presidential side and nearly 7% in the Senate race -- unless there was election tampering? With the amendment parity, it cannot be argued that absentees which account for nearly 1/3 of all NC ballots (one million+) were out of balance due to a new influx of voters, demographic distribution, or otherwise. They are absolutely in sync and someone has obviously rigged the polls from where I see it.

Also, looking at the magnification of the Presidential vote, over 15% compared to the roughly 7% in the Senatorial vote, my guess is that it may be indicating a "vote flip" rather than a straight percentage gain. The larger the initial spread, the more it will be magnified in the results -- possibly explaining the Bush 15% lead over Kerry at the polls whereas Burr's gain over Bowles was 7%.

(Also posted in the Presidential forum.)
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NCvoter Donating Member (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 12:33 PM
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47. Absentee includes early voting?
right? i think it must with the numbers being so high. also, if you look at precinct by precint results and compare to 4 years ago, you will find many precinct totals on election day dropping from four years ago.

i can only conclude that the absentee ballots this year includes early voting. as we know, early voting totals were cast in record numbers. remember how we all encouraged the dems to vote early...which they did.

we need to find out who voted early...dems v reps. if we have more early voters that may have voted kerry/bowles, then perhaps these totals are skewed overall toward the democrats.

i'd also like to get a precinct by precinct breakdown of the early voters in NC to see where strange precinct results actually exist. rigth now, it is impossible because this early voting total is simply lumped in with the final absentee vote in each county.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:32 PM
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49. Absentee is early voters
Early voters are absentee.

We are about to get a test of how one goes about getting the names of the early voters. The link below is about a possible statewide redo of some races because some 4,500 early votes in Carteret county were completely lost due to a machine screw up.

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/10133265.htm?1c
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ignatzmouse Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:11 PM
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50. Absentee (or early voting) does not have party swing
No, the point of the amendment correlation is to show that the absentee vote is not skewed. They are in lock-step with the overall results. There is no party swing. They record about 1/3 of the total vote and are directly in balance with the poll vote outside of President and Senator.

Therefore, if the absentee count involves early voting, it means that fix was put into place on or just before election day -- most likely at the central computer.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:51 PM
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51. Yep
When I saw the BOE print out from my county on Nov. 3rd, the absentee/early voters were in the same column. The a/e vote was 60/40 Kerry. But the totals were 52/48 bush. That raised my, and several others, suspicions. Even some old time hacks here said the numbers were "crazy."

One explanation I got was that the Dems had gotten out the early vote and that is what skewed it. Don't believe it but as of yet I can't come up with a real good rejoinder. The amendment example may be it but I just don't quite get how.

ignatzmouse, have I said how glad I am you joined DU? Welcome. You've done a great deal of good work on these figures and your analyzing has been spot on. Thanks.
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ignatzmouse Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 03:48 AM
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52. Thank you... more to come
You're welcome and thanks very much for your comments and for putting me onto the NC numbers. I think they are telling us something extremely serious about what happened in NC and nationally on election day. If there is a conclusive study here that shows the numbers were rigged, it will have national implications because it is indicative of an inside effort. What would you say if all other NC races in absentee voting were spot on the poll results? That is, the one third of the electorate who voted early/absentee mirrored the final results in the other partisan races, proving conclusively that the early/absentee vote was not more heavily Democratic -- and yet two races and two races only were exceptions at the polls. Stay tuned.
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KatieB Donating Member (431 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:15 PM
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61. Kick - Was this reported to anyone?
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 08:27 PM
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55. Could you put all of this together and re-post in GD?
Your analysis is, from what I can see, very telling.

The non-election day voting was almost a 30% sample, which makes the election day "miracle" for Bush look positively fraudulant.

Great work!
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HEAVYHEART Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:17 PM
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48. Funny numbers indeed..
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truehawk Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 12:14 AM
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56. kick
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chomskysright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 07:12 PM
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57. NC Verifiable voting info
This is an active place: NC Verifiable voting:

ncverifiablevoting@yahoo.com

new stuff several times a day
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patomime Donating Member (274 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 03:29 PM
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58. NC....
should have gone blue. This state, along with some others showed eerie exit polls on CNN, CBS, NBC, etc. Even internal democratic polls showed a close race up to the day of the election. (Or should I say re-selection?).

Everything was way too strange in this election. It should not surprise any of us that votes may have been stolen, lost or mis-directed.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 01:44 AM
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63. Analysis of 2004 Election with graphs
Analysis of 2004 Election at link bottom of this message.
At that link you will find:

Graphs with information analyzing the NC 2004 Election Results.

The x-axis is what percentage of the final total voted early -- f.x., if 1000
vote early and 3000 vote on election day,
the x-axis coordinate is 25 -- and
the y-axis is the change between the early voting percent and the final percent.
So in Wake County where early voting went to Kerry, 53/47,
but election day to Bush 53/47, Kerry will have a -6 and Bush will have a +6.

The color of the dot indicates party affiliation:
blue for Democrat,
red for Republican,
green for Libertarian,
black for unaffiliated,
orange for non-partisan (such as judges or amendments).

The shape of the dot indicates the voting technology used:
an empty triangle for paper ballots,
an empty circle for optical scan,
a filled circle for lever machines,
an 'X' for DREs,
a filled triangle for punchcards, and an
empty square for unknown, or a
mix (such as the graph at the state level).
http://www.cs.duke.edu/~justin/voting/dat/index.html
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wishlist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 11:46 AM
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65. removed post- error
Edited on Sun Dec-12-04 11:51 AM by wishlist
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 10:06 PM
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66. So, Will, what do ya think?
After looking over your pages, it seems something funny occured.

The shift to reps on final day in favor of pubs certainly seemed a bit whacked, eh? Yeah, a few dems moved up on final day, but in all the statewide races that showed movement, pubs were the lucky ones.

Thanks for posting the site, very clean and comprehensive. Was that coded by hand or was a program used?
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 01:54 AM
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67. My RW friend explains
The Bush campaign got into as many churches as possible (you know, the ones that hate taxes and gays but love guns and money). They spent all afternoon on GOTV, calling their bigoted grandparents, narrow-minded aunts and gun-nut uncles, and turned the tide late in the day.

Sounds plausible, right? Which is precisely why Rove put it together. It threw us off the scent.
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