Clinton Slams Obama in Ohio: Shame on you, Barack Obama

[liberalnurse]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjcT_sri_2E

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/23/clinton-slams-obama-tactics/Clinton Slamm

February 23, 2008, 1:24 pm

Clinton Slams Obama Tactics

By Julie Bosman

CINCINNATI – Accusing the Obama campaign of using tactics “that are right out of Karl Rove’s playbook,” Senator Hillary Clinton angrily denounced Senator Barack Obama on Saturday for sending flyers to Ohio voters that she called misleading and false.

“Shame on you, Barack Obama,” Mrs. Clinton said at a news conference after a morning rally, holding the flyers and shaking them in the air as she spoke. “It is time you ran a campaign consistent with your messages in public. That’s what I expect from you. Meet me in Ohio. Let’s have a debate about your tactics and your behavior in this campaign.”

The flyers were handed to Mrs. Clinton by a woman who attended the rally and then approached her on the rope line after Mrs. Clinton’s speech.

“Time and time again, you hear one thing in speeches and then you see a campaign that has the worst kind of tactics, reminiscent of the same sort of Republican attacks on Democrats,” Mrs. Clinton said.

More details here too!

I was at the following Clinton Rally. Ohio is outraged!

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/23/clinton.mailings/?iref=mpstoryview

[MeDeMax]

1. I heard both those assertions are true, let me explain...

Several DU members have confirmed in the Primaries forum that her health care
plan requires everyone to have health insurance period !

Health Insurance companies and their lobbyists have contributed heavily to
her campaign. True or False ?

My political memory is old enough to remember the passage of NAFTA, the
Clintons brought in the BIGGEST guns from both parties to get it passed.

Only Dick Gebhardt, Kucinich, Sherrod (and perhaps Strickland) opposed it.
Now we have NAFTA that shipped jobs south and we have 12 million illegals
that migrated NORTH and displaced some % of American Jobs.

Many Americans in general, and some Ohioans in particular, got screwed out
of their livelihood by NAFTA and then they got back doored by illegal migration.

Clinton bears responsibility for this and she ought to do more than suggest
window dressing amendments to NAFTA, too little too late.

I am sorry but that is the TRUTH, prove me otherwise.

[Kolesar]

3. NAFTA was enacted for American agribusiness to undersell the Mexican maize farmers

And it did work. Mexican farmers could not compete with American corn/maize prices and they lost their livlihoods. Thereafter, another ten million Mexicans moved to America. It is all related.

In all fairness, candidate Clinton has been moving away from "absolute globalization" in trade policy. NAFTA was the result of President Clinton's policies way back in the nineties. I suppose that if she is going to demand credit for the Clinton successes, she should get the blame.

Sherrod Brown says that there is no way we can undo NAFTA, but that what we must do is to enact the labor and environmental side agreements that were promised but never delivered.

[OhioBlue]

5. Wasn't Marcy Kaptur against it too?

btw - honest question. I really don't know - I just remember her being quoted in a book I read a while back and she was against NAFTA...

[Kolesar]

2. "Rovian" would be for Obama to attack her *strength*, her muscular militarist record

Oh wait, he is doing that!

[geiger]

4. Another "xerox" moment

Oh, wait a minute, that would be another "zero."

Doesn't hold up; wasn't prudent. Too bad this is nothing more than trying to spread million points of bullshit.

[OhioBlue]

6. Ohio isn't outraged.

Ohioans at the Clinton rally acted outraged...

sorry nurse, but those 2 mailers actually touch 2 subjects that have had me confused about Hillary's support from some of our elected officials.

I'm surprised that Sherrod for one hasn't endorsed Obama b/c of NAFTA and her Iraq War vote.

And, the Health care mandate - well after the debate the other night, I was left asking..

1. Why does she keep saying that Social Security has no exemptions? I am exempted b/c I pay into OPERS - so her argument doesn't make sense

and

2. Why is she going to MANDATE everyone to buy health insurance from the insurance industry. Is she gonna make the Amish?

[geiger]

7. Plus, the pieces I got from the HRC camp were the outrageous ones--

one piece decrying Obama's so-called position on NAFTA, when it was her husband's administration that pushed the bill through.

And one from AFSME's "People" Committee, with several pictures, one of soldiers at a war she helped authorize (that she forgets she helped to authorize, bankroll and simultaneously give unprecendented and unconstitutional authority to a half wit of a brain for President?); the same piece with another picture of a foreclosure sign, that she also bears responsibility, by supporting the bankruptcy bill and skirting the overall mortgage crisis by paying lip service to doing something about so-called predatory lenders, when every lawmaker in Washington should known darn well that any mortgage is written to protect the lender, not the borrower. The AFSME "People" Committee should know better, though, too, because most average Americans, I don't care if they do have a union job, are only one paycheck or catastrophic illness away from potential financial disaster and losing their house (it doesn't just happen to "poor" people) The third pix in this same piece is one of an old lady sitting (assumedly) waiting for health care. (Oh, and Clinton real stood her ground to the pharmaceutical and health insurance lobbyists the time she had a chance, too, didn't she? )

Well, actually, as an Ohioan, I do think I have a reason to be pissed off, but it's not at Barack Obama.

[OhioBlue]

8. I haven't seen those

But from the first time I saw her press conference - I thought it was too staged - from what she described, I didn't hear anything different from the tactics her campaign has been using.

I really think this "Hillary is Outraged" bit is a political maneuver by her campaign. What has worked for her in the past? Women coming to her defense. I'm not going to get outraged at her false outrage or anything. I guess her campaign is throwing everything in to try and win Ohio and Texas.

[geiger]

9. Even if it weren't staged, and she was truly "hurt" when she saw

the factual pieces, and Strickland was empathizing with her distress as a friend, the next thought that comes to mind to me is that both of them think they have to cow-tow to Republicans to "get things done," yet it's okay to put on the gloves, then take off the gloves against a fellow Democrat. It's seemingly schizophrenic, but talk about the play book from Karl Rove, her campaign is working overtime to get people both coming and going. It's a deliberating misleading, and meant to be obfuscating real issues. Ironically, some of the substantive issues are seeping through the cracks, as Hillary puts them into a play. And, if you compare her little hystrionic performance this weekend, with that of Obama's measured and thorough response, it speaks volumes to the character of these two candidates. As Senator Kerry said in his endorsement speech:

"Since the birth of our nation, change has been won by young Presidents and young leaders who have shown that experience is defined not by time in Washington or years in office, but by wisdom, instinct and vision. Today we still draw on the "truths" that we believe to be "self-evident"—but how easy it is to forget that Thomas Jefferson was just 33 when he wrote them into our Declaration of Independence. How easy it is to forget that Martin Luther King was just 26 when he led the Montgomery Bus Boycott, just 34 when he inspired America with a powerful dream. My friends, when we choose a President, we are electing judgment and character, not years on this earth -- and it is the moral compass I see in Barack Obama that gives me confidence he will steer our country in the right direction." (John Kerry endorsement speech January 20, 2008) http://www.johnkerry.com/

[Danzo]

10. The Facts Support Hillary

FactCheck.org confirms that the Obama mailer is dishonest:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/harry_louise_again.html

[Danzo]

12. Barack's Record On Health Insurance

Well, since you tried to discredit Hillary based on her approach to Health Care; why don't we take a look at BARACK'S history with health care?

He claims to be passionately in favor of affordable health care. But his history doesn't seem to support that premise. His wife is one of the VPs at the University Of Chicago hospital. This hospital is supposedly non-profit, but their 2005 tax return sure does make it look like there's A TON of skimming money off the top:

on page 1, line 18
you'll see that this not-for-profit hospital reported making a profit of $103,642,743 in 2005.
on page 7
you'll see that they spent $3,784,680 on marketing (advertising) attempting to increase market share.
on page 29
you'll see they spent $5,280,545 on collection agency fees.
on pages 45-46 and 48
you'll see how much the executives are making.

http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2005/363/488/2005-363488183-0254ace9-9.pdf

Also, for a so-called "non-profit" hospital, the University of Chicago charges a HUGE markup for its health care services. According to the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, the University of Chicago Hospitals has a cost to charge ratio of .2795. This means that for every $279.50 in actual costs they charge $1000. ( http://www.wherethemoneygoes.com/newSearch.php?SearchString=obama --scroll down to the December 3, 2007 entry ).

The reality is, the hospital that Obama's wife was one of the VPs of was providing OUTRAGEOUSLY unaffordable health care and Barack did NOTHING to even TRY to stop this.

[Kolesar]

14. The Cleveland Clinic "Foundation" has been criticized thusly

It is a "nonprofit foundation", but it surely looks like somebody is making money off of it. I go to the physician's office and its design and decorations look like an art museum. Could have directed a few bucks to get some old folks some new bifocals.

The world of woe.

[Danzo]

15. Question

Was the Cleveland Clinic Foundation accused of patient dumping, like the University of Chicago was?

The University Of Chicago was accused of PATIENT DUMPING that resulted in the DEATH of a patient. Don't believe me? SEE FOR YOURSELF at the Health and Human Services OFFICIAL WEBSITE ( http://oig.hhs.gov/fraud/enforcement/administrative/cmp/cmpitemspd.html )
"May 08, 2006
The University of Chicago Hospitals (UCH), Illinois, agreed to pay $35,000 to resolve its liability for CMPs under the patient dumping statute. The OIG alleged that the hospital failed to accept an appropriate transfer of a 61-year-old male who presented to another emergency department with a complaint of flank pain. UCH had specialized capabilities not available at the transferring hospital and allegedly refused to accept transfer after learning that the patient did not have insurance. UCH then later agreed to accept transfer of the patient only if he provided proof of funds in a bank account. The patient was transferred to another hospital where he died."

Some hospital huh? Cared more about it's profits than whether the patient lived or died.

[Sara Bradi]

16. law makers are not gun toting sheriff's in country westerns

If they start going after individual hospitals they are stepping outside the boundaries of a legislator.

They can hold hearings and pass laws that affect hospital care in general, it is the job of the local DA or public prosecutor to go after a hospital if they broke laws.

Barack & Michelle are Harvard graduates engaged in public service, if you honestly believe that one piddly hospital in Chicago can silence a rising star by paying his wife a board member salary, you don't think much of our system.

People get on these boards so they can guide the organization towards better public policy, not to pocket the chump change that is being doled out.

I can't even begin to sniff the skeletons from four decades of Hillary serving on boards.

Don't even go there pal, speak for your candidate's achievements.

[Danzo]

17. I Already Have

In case you missed it, here's my candidates' acheivements.

35 years of service to people all around the world:

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/18/the-rights-of-women-and-children-worldwide-the-candidates-differ/

Dozens more acheivements: http://www.davodd.com/2008/100-reasons-to-support-hillary-clinton

BTW, your precious Obama was brave enough to speak out against the Iraq war, why wasn't he brave enough to speak out against the unaffordabe health care that the University of Chicago provided? Or maybe he WAS brave enough to, but just chose not to?

[Kolesar]

11. I LOVE Ted's performance here

He's like one of those guys in a Hip Hop crew who just walks around nodding while the MC is working.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjcT_sri_2E

[Kukesa]

13. Reminds me of Mr. Bobblehead. n/t

[pageman551]

18. I thought he looked terrified

He knows Obama will most likely be the nominee and that, as Governor of Ohio, he's going to have to work with him quite a bit leading up to the General Election. I don't think it's a big deal that he endorsed Hillary because Obama needs his help and will have no choice but to forgive him, but he still looks nervous.



http://pagesblogofbloggings.blogspot.com/

[Kukesa]

19. Hey, welcome to DU, pageman551! n/t