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MeDeMax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 05:56 PM
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Sunday 5:55pm he is calling her bluff on NAFTA in Toledo
He says she supported it knowing full well the clauses that made it fair for American workers were not enforceable.
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Danzo Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 01:22 AM
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1. Hillary Supported NAFTA? Might Be a Myth.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 07:08 AM
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2. "The whole time that she was first lady," ...
Here's the rest of the article. These discussions exist at such a base level that they are almost worthless.

...said Robert Shapiro, the undersecretary of commerce during the Clinton White House years, "she, like everybody else... not supposed to deviate from the position of the administration. There is no freedom of speech in there, and that certainly applies to a first lady."

On the 2008 campaign trail, Clinton has been free of those shackles. And, on many occasions, she has expressed misgivings about NAFTA, although usually she qualifies her statements by saying she supports the underlying idea.

"I believe in the general principles it represented," she said last February, noting that she voted against CAFTA because of a lack of environmental and labor standards. "But what we have learned is that we have to drive a tougher bargain. Our market is the market that everybody wants to be in. We should quit giving it away so willy-nilly. I believe we need tougher enforcement of the trade agreements we already have."

Clinton ``is committed to free trade and to the growing role of the international economy,'' Steven Rattner, a Clinton fundraiser and co-founder of Quadrangle Group LLC, a New York buyout firm told Bloomberg.com. ``She would absolutely do the right thing as president.''


When the European Common Market evolved into the European Community, they made a point to have retraining and investment programs so that a poorer country like Spain could develop an economy that competes well with businesses that would naturally develop there. NAFTA was devoid of those programs. Spain's wealth went up. Mexico's went down when NAFTA "destroyed" their agriculture.

Clinton's point sounds like labor leaders who say that, in dealing with China, the USA controls the marketplace, and we should dictate the terms of the trade deal.
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MeDeMax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 07:51 AM
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3. Bush did the same thing with pre-war intelligence...
Edited on Tue Feb-26-08 07:52 AM by MeDeMax
cherry pick which parts of the intelligence he would believe and which parts he would ignore, look where it got us.

Now Hillary is cherry picking which initiatives of the Clinton administration she supported and which ones she didn't.

If I could have only my correct answers count when I take a test, I'd be scoring 100%, 100% of the time.

Stephanie Tubbs Jones is saying the same thing as you on MSNBC at this hour "My candidate didn't support NAFTA, her husband was the president, he passed it".
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geiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 10:22 AM
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4. the two-step, with bobble action....
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Danzo Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:58 AM
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5. Obama's Not COMMITTED To Fair Trade Either
He voted for free trade twice. Might have done it a THIRD time if he hadn't abstained. Check out his voting record for yourself if you don't believe me:

http://votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=9490&type=category&category=63&go.x=17&go.y=10

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