Will Hillary Take it To the Convention?

[rg302200]

I am curious as to what my fellow Ohioans think.....will she do it? How will it help/hurt the party in Ohio in November. BTW I am not flaming anything, I was originally a Hillary supporter but switched to Obama after I watched her become more and more dirty in her campaigning and thats just my opinion and not meant to anger any Hillary supporters! I am just curious as to what the pulse is like in the rest of the state!

[AngryOldDem]

1. I certainly hope not.

While it is her right to do so, I would hope that for the sake of unity she will do the right thing after today and support the nominee and the party. We don't need any more division or rancor going into Denver or beyond. We've wasted enough time with the infighting as it is.

[asthmaticeog]

2. I don't think so.

I said this in another thread, but it seems to fit here: when her campaign ends, she can't fund-raise anymore. Her campaign is millions in debt. She borrowed rather a lot of those millions from her own assets. She WILL concede. Just as soon her most rabid cult-of-personality zealots re-line her pockets. And not one dollar sooner.

[MeDeMax]

3. she won't, but she made a last stand last night

Call me psychic, none of the networks put it in these words but what she was saying last night was :

"I know I can't have the nomination and therefore the presidency, but I hold 18 million votes in my piggy bank, and you need them to win against McCain. Be nice to me and negotiate with me."

In a word - "I know I can't win, but I can hurt you so you won't win".

[AngryOldDem]

4. Pretty much sums it up.

As I just posted on GD-P, I think she will use the VP slot as a bargaining chip to avoid any kind of scene in Denver. Nobody wants a floor fight. Not after what has happened so far. She (and Bill) is a master at playing the game, and I put nothing past her.

It will be another political "shotgun wedding" a la JFK and LBJ.

The question then becomes whether or not an Obama/Clinton ticket is perhaps the weakest one the Dems have fielded in a while, as one CNN commentator starkly put it last night. The prospect, curiously, even seemed to leave a bad taste in the mouths of the GOP strategists on the panel.

[rg302200]

5. Thats pretty much what I thought

after I heard her speech lastnight....it made me so angry to hear her being introduced as the "next president of the United States"

[MeDeMax]

7. I wasn't angry, I thought it was a bit ungracious

but I also empathize with her, a year ago there was not a soul in the dem party that would've bet against her for the next president.

To go from - "all but certain to be the next president", to the runner up with astonishing home runs in the 9th inning, to having to throw in the towel and walk away from it all, is just gut wrenching.

How do you walk away from 18,000,000 votes and supporters that still believe you are their only fighting chance ?

A few years ago during a winter Olympics figure skating competition a an older Russian skater was on the ice, she lingered on the ice for a short while after her routine was done.

She knew she wouldn't qualify to go on to the next round, it was going to be her last time on the ice in such an international setting...

[ladym55]

6. In Ohio we have a lot of work to do

So we need to pull together behind the candidate. I was really disturbed last night to read a post by someone from Ohio who was making it clear that he/she would NOT be doing anything to help Obama win the presidency.

The LAST thing Ohio needs is four more years of Republicans in Washington. The last 8 years have left this state and its economy reeling. (not to mention all the damage done by the Voinovich and Taft administrations in Columbus)

[geiger]

8. plus, nothing is guaranteed. Ohio could very well go Republican again.

[AngryOldDem]

9. People vote what they know.

And, unfortunately, for many that is GOP.

It is almost guaranteed that between now and 2010, Southwest Ohio will see a net job loss of AT LEAST 8,500 jobs (2500 at the Moraine GM plant and 6,000 possibly at the DHL hub in Wilmington, if the state cannot block its deal with UPS to have UPS take over most of the DHL air freight business). Add to that the slow bleed of IT work (Lexis-Nexis) and it makes for a pretty sad state of affairs here. Perhaps this will finally make people vote for what is in their own best interests, and that is not a third Bush administration. McCain has made it clear that he will be no more friendlier to lower middle- to middle class-workers than Bush has been.

The Democrats have to make it clear to Southern Ohio that there IS an opportunity for change; that they DO matter in the scheme of presidential elections; and that the GOP offers NOTHING to them anymore. If I am Obama, I am planning an Appalachian tour similar to that RFK did 40 years ago. I would immerse myself in that area and not just automatically write it off as a GOP automatic. The Dems did that the last time and it was disappointing and disheartening.

I think people will listen more closely to what Obama and the Democrats have to say. But will that translate into a vote at the polls? It's Ohio. Who knows?

[MeDeMax]

10. good observations

I have a strong feeling Ohio will be in the D column this time.

McCain is a dull speaker, he cannot get anyone enthusiastic about the war. Assuming there are no new revelations about Obama that hurt his image.

We should see a depressed R turnout, because many die hards cannot get themselves to vote D, they would suffer mental illness for the rest of their life if they voted D :-).

We are likely to see some Ds (mostly highly racist white males) vote R, because they would rather die than vote for a black man for president. But over all a high D turnout.

However We are likely to see a record Independent turnout which favors Obama.

[AngryOldDem]

11. Your opinion, please -- just curious on your thoughts.

Do you think having HRC on the ticket will help in Ohio?

[MeDeMax]

13. I think having her on the ticket will be a BIG help

If she is on the ticket, Ohio voters can vote FOR 3 candidates and vote AGAINST 3 candidates. If you strongly favor Hillary you are likely to vote for the ticket she is on, if you dislike her you could may still vote for Obama because he has taken very different positions from her on the War, Foreign Policy, eliminating the gas tax as a gimmick, taking money from lobbyists etc.

The pundits say the choice of the VP candidate is not that important, except she/he may swing a state in a close election.

Let me tell them something, there has not been a VP candidate of HRC's caliber in recent memory. She is a two term first lady with a strong record on many issues, she entered the presidential race against a dozen or so men (counting both parties). She, arguably, finishes with the most number of votes than any presidential candidate EVER. If I am not mistaken, she received more votes than all R candidates combined with a few million to spare.

That is some serious momentum there, to equate her to your garden variety VP candidate is silly and incongruent.

In my not so humble opinion :-)

Thanks for asking, you made me feel special.

[ckimmy57]

12. Hope not

It's time for the democrat party to get behind the candidate (Obama) and start gearing up to kick some asses out of the white house. This country can't take 4 more years of the republican party. I was a BIG Hillary supporter but will back Obama all the way. Hillary needs to bow out now while she can still do it gracefully.