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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 11:48 PM
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Can anyone tell me about Dan Boren? (OK-Dist 1)
Edited on Mon Jul-12-04 11:48 PM by Catch22Dem
Is he a good replacement for Carson? Does he stand a chance of losing this seat for us? Carson won with like 70%+ last election.

Is he like his dad?

ON EDIT - Edited title
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RummyTheDummy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 12:13 AM
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1. Don't know much about him
But let's hope he's NOT like his dad, who in my view is a closet Repuke, among other things ;)
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obietiger Donating Member (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 10:09 AM
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2. Kalyn Free
Kalyn Free is running in the primary and is an outstanding Democratic woman. Here is her web site if you want to check it.

http://www.freeforcongress.com/
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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 07:38 PM
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3. I'm with you obietiger!
We've got to stop electing Republican lites if anything in this state is going to change.
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melv Donating Member (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 02:12 PM
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4. the vets like him
but I'm not terribly crazy about him. He is Bush-lite all over. At a recent event in OK, he got Toby Keith to perform....euck!

Kayln is the best choice.
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RummyTheDummy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 08:39 PM
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25. Toby Keith is campaigning for him?
That is TRULY disgusting.
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 04:18 PM
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5. DelGiorno of KFAQ was pushing him this morning
...he's anti-abortion, ban gay marriage, etc

...opponent dem is opposite

...sounds like there's a contest going on about which candidate 'reflects OK voter values'
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yelladawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 09:17 PM
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6. The Vets love him
Kayln Free refused to sit down with Veterans. She turned down the VFW, DAV, VVA, and AL, as well as the Band of Brothers for Kerry. Some people don't like Veterans and she is one of them.

The Toby Keith event was a salute to veterans and raised money for the VA hospital in Muskogee.

Dan Boren is nothing like his Dad.

Kayln Free is very far back in the polls and started attack ads last week which the newspapers have carried stories on the lies in these attack ads.

Free is toast. Vets have had meetings with as few as 10 men attending. We had 350 in Claremore two weeks ago. Up in Ketchum last night there were over 200 Veterans who are upset with Kayln Free. Tonight in Adair we passed out 87 "Veterans for Boren" bumper stickers to a crowd of over 500 Demcorats for Boren.
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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 02:56 AM
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7. A handful of vets
Edited on Fri Jul-16-04 02:58 AM by hippywife
such as Yelladawg are very vocally attacking Kaylyn because she was unable to meet with them when they insisted she meet with them and they were unwilling to be flexible enough to work within her schedule. All this while she was dealing with a difficult illness and death in her family.

They claim that the Republican lite Boren has this race all sewn up but continue to bully Free and anyone who supports her. They run two OK message boards and delete and lock posts by anyone who supports Free.

Their support of Boren over Free is never based on any issues in this race. It's straight ad hominem attacks, fabricated and exaggerated rhetoric. They have alientated many people who were formerly regular posters on their boards with their outlandish and loutish behaviour.

Below is one example of a post that was submitted to both boards regarding a meeting Kayln did have with local vets who were willing to work within her schedule. It was deleted once and the second time, supporting posts were erased and the thread locked so it would fall to the bottom and disappear:

Information from Kalyn Free's Meeting With Vets

To the administrators of this site: I would greatly appreciate it if you would NOT DELETE this post from your site anymore. There is ALOT of really bad and incorrect information being circulated about Kalyn Free right now and in all fairness, you should allow your readers and posters an opportunity to see viewpoints from both sides and not just your side. SO I am asking you kindly to please stop deleting good information about Kalyn. Please notice I did not ask you to stop circulating the bad information about her, but I do think to be completely fair and accurate, you should stop deleting the good information your readers post here. I thank you in advance for your cooperation.

This post is to inform all who are interested that Kalyn Free did meet with a group of veterans at her McAlester campaign office on Wednesday, July 7 at 7:30 PM. Present at the meeting were WWII veteran Dave Blackman of McAlester and Viet Nam era veteran/DAV member Mark Coyle of Yale, OK. Kalyn Free attended the meeting herself, and I took notes on what she said. The following is a list of the questions asked and her response:

1. Health care and mental care for Veterans are being cut as we speak. What is your plan to improve veterans mental health benefits and their health care benefits?

My dad was a WWII vet and he taught me to respect veterans. My brother works at a veteran's clinic in Tulsa (he had prior experience working in the Indian Health Care System) and he has told me the veterans do not have adequate health care and by comparison (to the Indian Health Care System) the veterans are much worse off. The people who defend our country MUST be taken care of regardless of whether they served for 2 years, 4 years or 20 years. Veteran's issues are issues I will always fight for in Washington DC.

2. Disabled veterans cannot receive their full retirement benefits because Democrats & Republicans will not act to give what was earned. How would you develop bi-partisan relationships to work together and assure veterans will receive their full retirement benefits?

I believe in ending to the special taxes veterans pay (she referred us to her website & I have posted the information here:

Put an immediate end to the Disabled Veterans Tax. Many veterans who retire from the military with a service-related disability are not permitted to collect both retirement and disability pay concurrently. Currently, military retirees are required to pay for their own disabilities: For every dollar they receive as VA disability compensation, it gets deducted from their military retirement pay as disabled veteran's tax. I believe in ending this tax immediately and will fight in Congress to ensure that disabled vets receive full concurrent receipt.

End the Widows Tax. It is never easy for anyone to endure a loss of a spouse. And to penalize widows financially for their loss is tragic and inhumane. Military retirees pay premiums for years and anticipate that upon their death, their spouse will receive 55 percent of their benefit. However when their spouse reaches 62, the benefits unfairly drop to 35 percent- forcing widows to give up more than a third of their benefits. I believe in honoring those who have defended our freedom but also in honoring their families who endured months without their spouses, fathers and mothers, and those who lost their loved ones during war. Ending the widow's tax is just one step towards showing our gratitude to the families who have given so much to this country.

There are few things the Republicans & I agree on, but I plan to develop strong working relationships with the other Democrats in Washington DC. I feel that veterans benefits should be bi-partisan anyway and our veterans should receive direct care whether they're in the guard or full duty.

3. Veteran Hospitals are being closed. How can you help stop this from happening?

I'm not aware of any clinics being closed right now. There may be some that are under threat of being closed and if that turns out to be true, I'll definitely fight it. I am aware of a 6-9 month wait to receive treatment. There is more information on my website and the address is - http://www.freeforcongress.com/?c=Veterans Here is the information from the website:

Full funding for the VA health care system. Not only do I believe in fully funding the VA health care system but I also believe that funding must be mandatory just as other major health programs like Medicare are funded. Since 1996, the number of enrolled veterans has increased by nearly 150 percent, but funding has lagged far behind. There are thousands of veterans who have been waiting well over six months for basic health care appointments. Other veterans must wait over a year for specialized health care appointments. Veterans¡¦ health care should be fully funded automatically, like Medicare and Social Security, so that veterans¡¦ health does not have to compete with other priorities for funding during the appropriations process.

4. Promises that were made are being taken away. How can you reassure veterans that you will fight for their rights and represent them to the best of your ability?

I would respond the same way I responded to the first question I answered, but you can also go to the website and see more details of my plan to supoort veterans. Here is some of the information from the website:

As of May 2004, there are currently 360,795 veterans living in Oklahoma. Among them, 46,462 are disabled. I believe that our troops should be taken care of when we send them out into battle and also when they return home to their families. I believe that Congress can do more for Veterans. They have given our country their lives and their honor and I believe Congress can do more to repay them. As we are currently seeing a new generation of veterans returning from Iraq and Afghanistan, Oklahoma still has 3,294 of their men and women on active duty as Reservists or National Guards around the world.

I believe that we can do more for our grandparents, parents, sisters and brothers, daughters and sons. I believe that those who defended our freedom deserve better access to healthcare, they deserve to collect the pay they have earned- both retirement and disability pay, and they deserve an end to frivolous tax penalties- the widow's tax

5. Do you have a plan to stop the cutting of funds for veterans programs?

I don't support ANY cuts to veterans programs. In fact, I support increases to their benefits, eliminating tax cuts for the wealthy and instead of spending billions of dollars on Iraq - use some of that money to improve veterans programs.

6. Why won't you meet with veterans that are democratic party activists?

I assume you are referring to (name deleted since this is the DU but his screen name here is Yelladawg) who called me one day and demanded that I meet him at Hammet House Restaurant in Claremore so he could be seen with me in public by some other people. I had a scheduling conflict at that time and I offered to meet him later on that day and I also invited him to attend a "meet and greet" reception I was attending that day in Claremore. I told him the reception would be the best place to be seen with me in public, but he insisted on meeting at the Restaurant from 11:30 till 1:30 for lunch. I explained again that I couldn't make it because I wanted to attend church service and I already had a reception scheduled for the afternoon. Once again I invited him to the reception, but he didn't want to do that. So it wasn't that I didn't meet with veterans, it was a simple matter of a previously scheduled event that was in conflict with the time he wanted to meet and I couldn't be in both places at the same time, so I attended the pre-scheduled event.

7. Why do you keep on attacking former Republicans?

I'm running in the Democratic primary because I am a democrat and this is about party loyalty. My opponent has managed republican campaigns, supported republican candidates, has received money from a number of republican sources, and has received the Chamber of Commerce endorsement (FYI: The Chamber of Commerce was one of the number one supporters of Right-To-Work in Oklahoma). I'm not attacking anybody, I'm just talking about his record.

8. Will you endorse the Democratic nominee even if you don't win the primary?

ABSOLUTELY!!!

9. Will you help the Democratic nominee if it isn't you?

I intend to be the nominee and I am in this race to win the nomination and the election in November.


That was the end of the meeting. If anyone wants more information on Kalyn Free's stand on veteran's issues or any other issues, you can find out at http://www.freeforcongress.com
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RummyTheDummy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 08:17 PM
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9. What I find amusing
Is Yelladawg absolutely hates Brad Carson with every fiber of his being and rips him to shreds at every opportunity, yet supports Dan Boren who is just as, if not more, conservative than Carson. Boren is pro-life? You've got to be fucking kidding me.

I hope he loses in the primary or the GE.
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yelladawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 08:02 AM
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11. So you hope a repug wins?
You write:
I hope he loses in the primary or the GE.

So that would be a repug pickup you're hoping for?
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RummyTheDummy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 04:39 PM
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16. If he's a tool of the religous right?
Then using your logic and how you apply it to Brad Carson, what's the difference?
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yelladawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 11:11 PM
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17. I vote Democratic
I vote Democratic. I volunteer at least 20 hours a week for Democratic candidates. Hope to see you out there helping Democratic candidates.
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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 03:01 AM
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8. If DelGiorno was backing him up
then there is a definite problem. DelGiorno is the darling of the religious right and fancies himself the Rush Limbaugh of Tulsa. That should tell you something right there.

Check him out for yourself:

http://www.1170kfaq.com/
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yelladawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 08:01 AM
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10. Hippy Wife I Love You
Hippy Wife I Love You. Lets talk about a handful of Veterans. The Band of Brothers for Kerry registered over 4,000 Veterans in CD 2 alone this year. We are having meetings in civic buildings now to host the crowd. In Jay last weekend, over 800 Veterans attended a Band of Brothers for Kerry rally where we pledged to vote for Dan Boren.

But don't worry, According to the Oklahoma Democrat party and Kayln Free, "Veterans don't vote".

You still gonna let me protest with you?
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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 01:32 PM
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13. You know Kalyn doesn't hate vets
this is nothing but a personality conflict and a bunch of twisted rhetoric.

Boren and his supporters have accused her of using out of state groups to help her here because of the support she receives from Emily's List. What I ask is the Dean Dozen or MoveOn support about then? All of these groups are realize that to take back our country and promote progressive politics requires working at the state levels, as well.

None of the progressive PAC's is supporting Boren because, guess what!, he isn't progressive. He's the same old repressive Republican look alike that has controlled this state for decades.

If Boren has such a commanding lead and has this all sewn up according to his supporters, what's the need for all the arrows you guys have been slinging her way? Something just doesn't jive here, Yelladawg.

I love all you vets, too, but I fear you are letting yourselves and your passion for your cause be used to enable repressive politicians to continue making Oklahoma a repressive and dismal place to live. Align yourselves with Boren and redneck Bush supporters like Toby Keith and you have yourself a recipe to make that happen.

Progressive politicians aren't going to be the ones who let you down, Yelladawg.






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yelladawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 08:05 AM
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12. DelGiorno took Turner's (D) side
During the special election in Tulsa for City Councilor DelGiorno took Roscoe Turner's side for a recount. Gee, does that now make Roscoe a bad Democrat?
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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 01:37 PM
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14. I dunno
much about Roscoe or his opponent as I wasn't involved in that race. I do know about DelGiorno, tho. If he had reasons to support Roscoe, that could say as much about his opponent as it could about Roscoe.

Politics in OK are about as strange as it gets, so that's hard to say. I don't automatically trust anyone here because they carry a D after their name, and neither should you.
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yelladawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 09:22 PM
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15. Roscoe is a good liberal Democrat
The better Democrat won that race. He is very liberal.
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 03:36 PM
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22. the person Turner was running against supported F&M branch
at 71st and Harvard (?), which DelG was adamently opposed to

also that election gave DelG lots of ammunition abt no checks of voters.......voters from abandoned lots, etc

....and opportunity to push voter ID in OK and question the election that put a democrat (horrors!) in as governor

....a lot of RW listeners jumped on that possibility.....the evil democrats steal elections

IOW, Turner's election provided an opportunity for DelG to push his agenda
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RummyTheDummy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 12:26 AM
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18. If Delgiorno likes Boren it should be a red flag
From what I gather, Boren isn't much different from Zell Miller. He sounds like a DINO to me. If I lived in CD2 I think I'd have to leave that one blank on the ballot.
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yelladawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 08:05 AM
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19. Delgiorno loves Carson
Carson is as bad if not worst than Miller. Will you leave that one blank on the ballot?
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 04:12 PM
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20. Not according to Americans for Democratic Action
Edited on Wed Jul-21-04 04:15 PM by OKNancy
Carson rates middle of the road or better 65%.
Here: http://www.adaction.org/2003housevr.htm

Miller is somewhere like 0 - 10%.

http://www.adaction.org/2003senatevr.htm
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yelladawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 07:04 PM
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21. 2 quotes from Carson
The first one was when he was running for CD2 the first time:

"I will vote like Mike Synar voted." Talleqah 06/2000

The second one was last Feb in Tulsa:

"There is no Democrat in Congress today who supports President Bush more than I."
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RummyTheDummy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 08:39 PM
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24. I'd link a link for the last quote
And incidentally, you misspelled Tahlequah. How long have you lived here anyway?
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yelladawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 09:30 AM
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26. The link was removed
Edited on Sat Jul-24-04 09:31 AM by yelladawg
The link was removed from the Tulsa Chamber of Commerce site. I was at the luncheon where he said that and we have it on video and tape. Ask him about saying it. Post his repsonse.
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RummyTheDummy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 08:35 PM
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23. You think Delgiorno is going to take up for Carson
When he runs against Coburn? Either you're very naive or you've lost your mind.
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yelladawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 09:33 AM
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27. Delgiorno will be in hog heaven
Delgiorno will be in hog heaven. He will get two right wing candidates running in the same race. Both candidates will try to be more right wing than the other.

He will love it. He'll alternate support between them on a daily basis.
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RummyTheDummy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 08:16 PM
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28. Yeah
Sorta like DINO Boren and his opponent in the GE.
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yelladawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 08:30 PM
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29. No
That race is over. Let's try and work in the CD 1 race. How about it? Will you volunteer with me to work in the CD 1 race?
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