Isn't Tom Coburn......

[RummyTheDummy]

The same anti-semite who protested loudly when he was in Congress over the showing of "Schindler's List" on NBC years ago?

[bobbieinok]

1. maybe - definitely someone from OK

I asked some colleagues why he would protest.

They said it was shown Sun afternoon (for many, family TV time), there was full frontal nudity in the film, kids were watching and no warning to parents given,...

...if this (full frontal nudity) was not loudly protested, then more (nudity) would be shown in 'kid TV time'.

I don't claim to understand this point of view; this was the rationale they had for his complaint.

NOT anti-semitism but Bible-belt prudery.

[mike1963]

16. You're right. I've known TAC personally VERY closely since 1969 when

I was chief pilot of his father's company. He wasn't a wingnut (at least verbosely) until he got through college - then went off the deep end. I've tried to find out the reasons but he avoids discussing it with me, but here is my theory: His old man, O.W. was a complete letch. He even kept an apartment in Tulsa for one of his girl friends. And you wouldn't believe some of his escapades on trips...he stayed pissed at me because I wouldn't go out and find him whores when we were away (his brother, company VP loved me and helped me keep the job.) This behavior was hugely embarrassing to me (being a corporate pilot involves a unique relationship with the company wheels and requires a lot of diplomacy, patience and self-assurance; sometimes they want to go when it isn't safe, and there's an element of 'personal valet' involved too)...and very much an embarrassment to his family (wife, a very fine lady, and their 4 kids.) I think TAC wanted to distance his own lifestyly from O.W.'s debauchery and just kept going further into prudery. Oddly, his younger brother is a fairly liberal Republican. :eyes:


Anyway, as much of a jerkoff Tom is, one thing he isn't is anti-semitic.

[Tempest]

2. One and the same, and he got blasted by his own party for it

After rebuke, congressman apologizes for 'Schindler's List' remarks

http://www.cnn.com/US/9702/26/schindler.debate/

Under attack even within his own party, Republican Rep. Tom Coburn apologized Wednesday for the way he criticized NBC's broadcast of "Schindler's List," a graphic film about the Holocaust.

[yelladawg]

3. Carson has Jewish backing

Coburn pissed off the Jewish voting bloc big time with his statements about "Schindler's List". When Brad Carson was putting together a CD 2 steering committee, he introduced a man named Steven Dow. Steven said Brad had unlimited Jewish money backing him. Steven said this was the result of Coburn's remarks and that the Jewish bloc wanted him defeated. I was there and witnessed the entire discussion.

Now who is helping Carson the most? Joe Lieberman.

[OKNancy]

4. So what?

Getting money is all part of the political game. You know, it is important not to bad-mouth anyone too. I know Steven Dow. You do know that his wife is Stacy Schusterman? THE Schustermans who give away tons and tons of money. Also, they give to lots of other Democrats. They are big Democratic supporters...and they give to Republicans too..anyone who will help there business interests.

[yelladawg]

5. He will be controlled by them

Getting money is part of the game. Also repaying the debt is part of that same game. Nancy as you say, they will support candidate who will help their business interests. They will control Carson to represent them before the needs of the Oklahoma voter.

Yes I know about the Schusterman/Dow merger that you call a marriage. I was at the meeting when the senior Schusterman wrote a $50,000,000 check for the ARMCO center (site of your recent peace protest at 41 and Yale) and gave it to OU. He and the rest of his clan are supporting a very long Iraqi war. Gosh, it doesn't surprise when Carson follows with VERY pro war statements in support of bush.

Steven Dow, his wife, and his children (all under the age of 8) have contributed the max amount to Carson. They will want something in return, regardless of how many Okies it hurts.

Carson is not a Democrat. I think he is a repug mole running as a Democrat. Let's you and me take a drive throughout CD 2 one day. We can start in a donut shop in Muskogee, then a feed store in Locust Grove, eat lunch in Choteau, visit the Wal Mart in Pryer, a feed store in Salina, a beer joint in Ketchum, back down to Chelsa and Claremore for supper. Listen to what the voters of CD 2 think of Brad Carson. The first word out of their mouths is "liar".

I will not vote repug, therefore Carson will not get my vote.

Nancy, I think the world of you and your efforts, but there is a line in the sand for me with Brad Carson. I will be getting the Vets out for Kerry. They will not be voting for Carson.

[RoyGBiv]

6. Solution?

Okay, so you've decided Carson is a Repug mole. I guess a lot of people would say that about Democrats in the Blue Dog coalition, but I don't think it's fair to call him a "mole" due to that. Blue Dogs are fairly open about their stands on issues generally. They're Democrats, but they are very conservative Democrats.

The problem here is that the Democratic party has a wider range of constituencies with dramatically divergent interests than the Republican party. There are variants among Republicans too, but none so dramatic. In a sense, the Democratic party is still suffering from the internal split that took place in the mid-20th century and is exemplified by the emergence of George Wallace and so-called Reagan Democrats. We're in the middle of a process of shifting coalitions, which has historical roots dating back to the Federalists and anti-Federalists, but which for various, complex reasons has not been able to mature and produce solid party structures since FDR.

Now, that's the problem, but what is the solution? I've never been completely happy with a candidate that's run in Oklahoma because I'm quite liberal. If I want candidates that represent the range of my opinions, I'll either have to undertake the process of changing Oklahoma culture as a whole or move. I prefer not to move, and changing Oklahoma culture is not something I'm could to do by myself in my lifetime. I don't know that it could be done by overt action in ten lifetimes. I do my part to educate and inform, but that's all I can do.

And in the meantime, I have to accept what I can get, voting for those who represent my interests best compared to the other choices. You say Carson won't get your vote. Okay, then who will? Humphrey's, Coburn? Do you truly think that's better than Carson? If the race does come down to Carson and Humphreys -- and it looks like it will -- will you simply withhold your vote? How does that help?

What I'm saying here is that I see a lot of complaining about a lot of things, but I see very little in the way of offering solutions. So, what's the solution?

[RummyTheDummy]

7. Good post

You expressed my feelings as an Oklahoman beautifully. And I agree on Humphrey's. In fact I know several Repugs who have said they will vote for Carson because they believe Humphrey's "shits a little too close to the house" and would be an extrodanarily poor representive for the state on the national stage, in much the same way Darth Inhoffe has been.

[RoyGBiv]

8. Humphreys

Thanks for the comments.

With regard to Humphreys, having him as one of our Senators would be just horrendously bad. Not only is his "shit too close to the house" (I really like the way you put that) he goes out and wallows in it for recreation. He's made the air in OKC more pungent by his mere presence.

On the subject of this election in general, I think we Democrats need to realize that the local Senate race has very important national consequences. We may have no change of influencing the Presidential election, but we need to motivate ourselves to make this Senatorial election count. Whether we all agree with Carson on all his positions is rather beside the point. There are leadership issues in the Senate, and if we can take that back, even by the smallest of margins, we've got a hedge against some of this insanity that's been taking place since BushCo was selected.

[yelladawg]

9. Brad Carson camp

Brad Carson campaign as a liberal, calling himself the next Mike Synar. He even got Mike's mother to say Brad was like her son Mike, a liberal. He did everything to destroy a real Democrat named Bill Settle. He won because "Bill Settle would be too Conservative". The yelladawgs of CD 2 met in Rogers County last night, in the middle of the storms. We has 227 people sign the roster. Carson has a bigger problem than repugs, he better contend with the Democrats in his own "home town".

[RummyTheDummy]

12. Politics is a rough and tumble business

Some people win, some people lose. That's just the way it is. Regardless of your differences with Carson, the simple fact is he's better equipped for the job than Humphreys.

I'm not here to dismiss your complaints in any way. But the only thing I really care about regarding this race is results.

[OKNancy]

10. You have me mixed up with someone else

I have never protested in a peace march since I left Norman. In my business I have to keep a low profile. I'm just an internet warrior and stay really behind the scenes. I am the girls you mention above ballet teacher, and I just think it is not good to make personal comments.

As I said before, I'm voting for Monte Johnson in the primary, but my god, it's like saying I'll vote for Bush instead of Kerry to prefer Coburn over Carson. You are a fighter too Rusty, but you see....I'm a real yellow dog Democrat. I'll never vote for a Republican!

[yelladawg]

11. OKNancy

Sorry for the mix-up.

I will not vote for Coburn or any other repug. At this time I will not vote for Carson.

On a better note. Folks, you can't believe the Veterans who are turning out for Kerry. 5 more Vets from Texas, Mississippi, and Kansas showed up on my front door today to work with the "Band of Brothers for Kerry".

They heard about what we are doing and made their way here to help.

[bobbieinok]

13. are you in OK??? your profile says you're in AR

[yelladawg]

14. Yep, Claremore OK

I live in Claremore OK.

I changed my location and named because I was banned from DU 6 months ago. I reported how Veterans were treated at the Clark Headquarters in Little Rock and the Clarkies here banned me from DU. Since then, the same thing happened to other Veterans from South Carolina and the story ran in several newspapers how the Clark staff hated Veterans.

Hence, now you know why the Veterans in CD 1 and 2 marched behind Kerry at the last minute in the Oklahoma primary. The New York Times sent a reporter who spent 4 days with me writing how the Band of Brothers for Kerry got started in, CLAREMORE Oklahoma. We went to Tennessee and Michigan and visited every DAV, VFW, and American Legion hall and spread the word how Veterans were treated by the Clark Staff. In the exit polls, Veterans went with Kerry 9 to 1.

I changed my address on my profile to get back on DU. Now let's see how long I last before the Clarkies come after me again for posting the truth about the Clark staff and their feelings about Veterans.

[mgarretson]

19. hey yelladawg...

can you cite those newspapers? I was never at the Little Rock HQ but I did volunteer for 9 days in the Clark office in Manchester (edit: NH) and never noticed any disdain for Veterans... several really gung-ho ones were there while I was there.

[yelladawg]

20. Yep

The story as an incindent ran in the Boston Globe, mentioned in the Tulsa World, and the Little Rock Newspaper . Clark met with me in Tulsa about the incident. He never defended the two jerks who openly dislaiked Veterans, but he never said the two jerks were wrong.

[hippywife]

21. Never mind! n/t

[Route66Kid]

15. My former boss was a classmate of Dr. Coburn.

OU med '83.

I'm always leary of physicians who become politicians. Makes me think they discover medicine is too labor intensive and they are looking for a way to coast.

From the word that made it by me, Dr. Coburn is a good pediatrician. I wonder if his congressional malpractice insurance rate was reasonable?;-)

[newyawker99]

17. Hi Route66Kid!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Route66Kid]

18. Thanks!

Thanks newyawker!