Joe Sestak new Vid

[SteelPenguin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6zQEXgTkRA

[Pat Riot]

1. good one, thanks SP

I was happy to see only the first half was anti-Specter, but quite a montage, including the Warren report, Anita Hill, standing by Nixon, Bush, McCain & Palin. As a dear friend said, I know some like to ignore his years of Republicanism, but reality's a bite. Freaky to see Arlen with that full head of wavy hair.

I also looked at the Vets for Sestak clip on youtube. Reminds me of another candidate I once supported, Gen. Wes Clark.

Not sure if it helps or hurts that Joe talks kinda like Mr. Rogers.

He did, however, get the Colbert bump.

[PADEMJES12]

2. Sestak hypocrisy is reality.....

Sestak likes to derail Specter for being a Republican... and hires a Republican to
run his Pittsburgh campaign office. HAHA!

Drinking beer with Toomey... warrantless wiretapping... republican running
Pittsburgh campaign office. Definitely a pattern there for sestak.

[Pat Riot]

3. PADEM, wtf are you talking about?

I rarely reply to you and your baseless smears, but I feel I must this time.

Are you talking about Pam Iovino, retired Navy Captain? Just because somebody received an appointment during the Bush administration doesn't mean they are Republican. I know Pam (as a neighbor) and she is about as not-GOP as one could get!

This is just another of your false claims for which you provide no link. Same with drinking beer with Toomey (a big so what, didn't our President achieve some progress getting people with opposing views to sit down and talk over a beer?)ditto your cartooney No Show Joe website, ditto wiretapping, ditto canceling on the IBEW (you conveniently forgot to mention that was the night of the first giant snowfall), ditto being mean and/or cheap to his staff. Furthermore, I believe your false accusations are against the rules of this forum, and now that the mods seem more likely to uphold these rules, I intend to put an alert on all such posts.

To be fair, I'll give you some time to provide a legitimate link before I put you back on blissful ignore, as I'm sure most people on this board with any sense have already done.

[Number9Dream]

4. A Smack-down for the ages!!!

You go Pat Riot!
Of course you know that "Confidential sources tell me..." will have to have the last word as usual.

[SteelPenguin]

5. I've just assumed they're a Specter fieldworker

Me, I'll support an actual democrat, not one who openly admitted the only reason he switched parties to run as a Democrat was because he couldn't win the Republican primary and campaigned for Sarah Fucking Palin.

Oh but hey, some dude twittered that Sestak drank a beer with Toomey. That's SO much worse.

Whatever.

[PADEMJES12]

6. Sestak office manger is a registered republican,

see Allegheny County voter registration. And next time... dont accuse me of a baseless smear, when its
a fact. Get off your behind and look.

In terms of me accusing sestak of paying is relatives well and treating his staff like crap, see Freddie
Stubbs post... that's why its been a revolving door over there at the sestak sweatshop, opps, I
mean campaign.

For starters everyone... www.fec.gov to view Sestak's campaign expeditures and the mass amount he
spends on relatives. Also, notice the IBEW $1500.00 is NOT on the sheet. Thats because Sestak
backed out at the last moment on them, when the event was posted to be there. Pat's claim "the weather
was bad" is a convenient, but highly distorted claim, because the event was moved to a smaller and cheaper
location.

Pat may have no shame that Sestak may have costed IBEW money, but lets hope they did not lose money
over it.

Sestak is exactly the kind of boss Unions were designed to stand up to. Pat your willful ignorance
is astounding.

[Pat Riot]

11. still waiting for a valid link

But before I get into that, I don't like the way you talk to people. When you resort to personal attacks, it discourages civil discourse and any chance for real progress. Instead of showing any proof of what you say, you have to say things like I have no shame and my willful ignorance is astounding. You tell me to get off my behind and look, when the burden of providing a link is on the accuser. (Besides, I highly doubt that one can look up another person's political affiliation on the county's voter registration.) According to you, another guy doesn't merely support a different candidate, they have to be "Sestak cheerleaders" or some other Rovian, jingoistic type of speech you use. I think you support a lot of good causes that most of the rest of us here support, but you do not realize how you hurt good causes by your verbal bullying tactics.


The one link you posted shows nothing about "the mass amount he spends on relatives." It's the home page of the FEC apparently, but whenever I put Joe Sestak in the search, it kept coming up "No candidate matching your search was found," no matter which way I searched it. If I'm doing it wrong or missing something, again, please provide a link, like with the factual information, not just the home page.


Provide proof that Sestak underpays and maltreats his staff. Real proof, that is, not just a reference to a post by a friend of yours. Freddie Stubbs' post, while more moderate and literate, is an opinion piece citing another opinion piece.

As far as the alleged IBEW cancellation, no one ever found any link about that. Furthermore, even if, as according to you, the IBEW rents its hall out for $1500, I highly doubt they would charge themselves $1500 to hold their own meeting in their own building. I "have no shame" over this alleged incident because I think it's bullshit you made up. But prove me wrong and I'll eat my words. My claim that the weather was bad is not distorted at all. The roads were bad and we got about a foot of snow.

The Sestak you portray, your straw man-Sestak, would be the kind of boss unions are made to stand up to; however the real Sestak cosponsored the Employee Free Choice Act and is supported by some labor groups. I'm a strong union supporter, used to be in the IBEW long ago, in fact, am in a different one now, which supports Sestak.

What proof do you have of "warrantless wiretapping?" A lot of people voted for the Patriot Act, doesn't mean they were going Jack Bauer out there.

The beer drinking with Toomey, OK, I should not have included that under "baseless smears." Thanks for the GIANT picture though. That should have been under a separate category called "So What?"


Links. Sources. Proof. Without name-calling if you please.

[daviddiano]

22. Sestak's FEC and Congressional staff salary info

Pat-
You have to search by LAST NAME, not first_last.
Anyway, here are the links for you:
Sestak's congressional FEC, you want to look at "disbursements":
http://query.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/dcdev/forms/C00419291/
You want the forms "F3N"

Sestak's Senate FEC is here:
http://query.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/fecimg/?C00465492
the disbursements are towards the bottom.

For Congressional Staff salaries:
http://www.legistorm.com/member/861/Rep_Joe_Sestak.html

Remember, Sestak BRAGS how his people work 70 hour weeks. So, start dividing these salaries and see that Sestak pays his people less than minimum wage.

[daviddiano]

9. Pam Iovino IS Registered Republican

As of the Jan 25th, 2010 voter registration file provided by the State Dept, Pam has indeed been a registered Republican.
If she is currently a Dem, then it's since this data snapshot. BTW, she's got only one vote on record, Nov 2008, as a Republican.

Name: "IOVINO" "PAMELA" "M"
Sex: "F"
Born:1956
Registered: 08/13/2006
Status (active): "A"
Last update: 11/06/2009
Party: "R" <------ that's R for Republican
City: "PITTSBURGH" "PA" "15227"
Last voted: 11/04/2008
Precinct: "1160006"
School Dist: "SC08"
Township code: "MN116"
Magisterial district: "MD218"
St. Leg: "LG36"
St. Sen: "SN42"
Congress: "CG18"

[Pat Riot]

10. I admit I am floored.

How, where did you find this? I searched high and low.

[PADEMJES12]

12. Cross that one off the list too Pat

Pat,

In all seriousness... no hard feelings. I was being honest about the voter registration
as you can see, as well as the IBEW cacellation. The sestak event was not an IBEW event, it was reserved
by sestaks campaign. You are correct, the weather was bad. That would preclude him from
holding an event.... which did not happen. Sestak held the event down the street.

Since you are a Union guy, which i like to hear... i will try to gather some figures and
analysis from the fec. Darn those pdfs... or else id have posted them for you. I will
be happy to do this for you.

[Pat Riot]

18. Still no links

David has his own database, your accusation about the IBEW thing remains hearsay. It looks believable, I guess, but I still await actual researchable evidence.

Sorry, nothing's crossed off the list.

I'm a bit confused as to how one can access voter registration and publish somebody else's party affiliation. Could you do that with anyone, like me, or is it just someone who is involved in a campaign like Pam Iovino? I would think there's some kind of privacy issue, voters' rights. Not being combative, I just don't get it.

[daviddiano]

19. Voter Info

Party affiliation is printed on street lists that are provided to the public by the county voter registration offices, and used by candidates, party officials, reporters, etc. It's also used when challenging petitions. The signers must match the party affiliation and county/districts associated with the candidates. These lists are also used for the strike-lists at the polls as well as integrity checks by watchers and advocates against voter fraud.

For example, candidates frequently question the voting histories of opponents that have missed elections, when they moved into, changes to party affiliation, etc. Also, Pam Iovino herself would be ineligible to sign or circulate petitions for Sestak (unless she has switched her party affiliation since). So, if she were to circulate a petition (and get someone else to sign as the circulator later) that would be a violation.

What is more private (and I didn't publish, though others often do) is stuff like her full address, her actual date of birth, her state-issued VoterID, etc.

These details weren't germane to the discussion. You asked for proof that she really was a Republican. Where did you think it would come from, a fortune cookie? :-) I included enough details about her precinct/district to demonstrate that it more than just saying "R".

BTW, Sestak himself has all this data as well. He paid the PA State party $60,000 for access to the same voter data that I got from the State Dept for $20. :-)
(He did also get additional phone numbers from the Obama/Hillary campaigns that the DNC puts in for some "added value".)

So, Pam's party affiliation was accessible to him with a simple look-up. I guess he likes hiring Republican. With all the staffer who have quit, I think he's exhausted the supply of Democrats. :-)

[daviddiano]

15. Found it in Voter Reg Files

Pat Riot-
I have my own state-wide voter database (that's usually more up-to-date than VAN).

I get the voter files from the state dept every month or two. My last update was Jan 25th.

I give out my system free to progressive Dem committee people, and I charge candidates a modest and very competitive fee for access.

For example, a St Leg race would be $300 for the entire election cycle, but unlike VAN, I let the campaigns set up sub-accounts for the precinct captains, if they need it.
At the state-wide level, they cost of VAN is $60,000 win or lose, it's not even pro-rated. On the other hand, I would charge a monthly fee of say $2,000/month so it's pro-rated for candidates that don't make it past the primary.
For a congressional race, it's $250/month.

BTW, since I pointed out her Republican registration on some other blog, I expect that Sestak has made her scramble to change it. We'll see when I get my next update in early March.

[SteelPenguin]

7. Of course

Hiring a Republican for a job is worse than actually being a Republican.

An unsubstantiated rumor about having a drink with a Toomey is worse than documented support for Sarah Palin and John McCain.

I get it. Makes sense.

[PADEMJES12]

8. Sestak hypocrisy

Here's Joe drinking several beers with his pal Pat Toomey.
How's this for an unsubstantiated rumor about having drinks with
Toomey.



Sestak is a grade A hypocrite.

[SteelPenguin]

13. Specter Hypocrisy

Not to mention he voted for John McCain and Sarah Palin and thought they were the better choice than Obama, and gave $7,500 to elect her and John McCain.

But fuck...Sestak had a beer with Toomey, a fellow member of the house of representatives and the pennsylvania delegation. You think that makes Sestak a bigger hypocrite than Specter?

Get real.

When exactly did you join the Democratic party again? Was it before or after your boss Specter did?

[PADEMJES12]

14. steel penguin.... nice language

by the way, Toomey is not a member of the House of Representatives or Pennsylvania delegation. He is a
former member (thank god) and your willingness to defend Joe propping up Toomey to moderates
is astounding.

Joe chumming around with all these right wingers is making me dizzy. Specter and Sestak
will be held to the same standard. Specter was correct when he asserted "dont throw stones
when your standing in front of a glass house"

Joe's negativism is a killer on the party at a time when we need to come together.

[SteelPenguin]

17. How much do you get paid anyway?

You talk about how much Sestak pays, how much do you get from Specter?

If we don't get behind a real democrat in PA, then Toomey will beat Specter. The Republicans will turn out in force for Toomey, the Independents will split for Toomey, and the Democrats will stay home.

[daviddiano]

20. Sestak's not a real Democrat

Steel Penguin-
Sestak TALKS a good game, but he's not any more of a Democrat than Joe Lieberman.

If Sestak gets in, the moderates and Independents won't "split", they'll just go to Toomey.
Sestak's marginalized himself as a progressive left winger (which he isn't). He's opened up his flank and Toomey's positioned himself to the center (which he isn't).
Specter is in the middle already. The Dems WILL turnout once Specter makes them realize Toomey is to the Right of Santorum.

Dems weren't excited about Casey, but they were desperate to get rid of Santorum.

[blue neen]

21. Actually, there were some "Dems" who were excited about Casey.

This "Dem" worked on his campaign. Casey won by a landslide, so some "real Democrats" in this state must have been happy with him.

I'll agree with you on this: we were definitely desperate to get rid of Santorum. :) However, I do not think you can compare the two Senate races. The circumstances were very different.

[daviddiano]

16. What Specter is smiling at

I think that McCain is making a rude hand gesture behind Palin's back, and making Specter laugh.