someone needs to infiltrate the counter protesters

[johncoby2]

Sit with them. Listen. Give a report later.

If I was going again, I would do this. Wrap myself up in a flag, put some dubya buttons on etc.

I would like to know what they are thinking and saying!

[marbuc]

1. Go to Freerepublic

you'll get the same flavor without having to worry about the vomiting revealing your identity.

[TheFarseer]

2. I can't pretend to be one of those dipsticks

I'd start screaming at them within 10 seconds.

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[Carolab]

4. Are you a counterprotestor? Have you been to Crawford? n/t

[babylonsister]

5. Are you for real? So tell us, how do you feel?

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[Carolab]

7. So, we're askin'. Shoot. n/t

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[Not_Giving_Up]

12. It is not impossible

I support the troops, and I'd like them home alive. I don't think that they should be dying for lies. I don't think that we are safer because they are there.

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[Not_Giving_Up]

14. I have the freedom to express my opinions because the

Constitution says that I do. My Freedom of Speech has not been defended by the war in Iraq. If anything, it has been diminished. More personal privacy rights have disappeared under the Patriot Act than a lot of people realize.

Also, it's not opinion that the war is based on lies. That is fact. I have the freedom to spread the truth.

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[Not_Giving_Up]

17. Sure, there have been times that America's laws and freedoms

have been defended by a military action. However, the current action is WRONG. It hasn't given me the right to say what I say. I already had that right. No one in Iraq was trying to take that right from me before.

[johncoby2]

18. Is that ignorant or what?

No one is fighting for our freedom right now!

The ONLY ones that did was during the war with the brits. Even since, no one has fought for our freedom.

We have had freedom, at lest till lately.

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[Not_Giving_Up]

23. I think we're all aware of why thihgs happened in the past

The Japanese hit Pearl Harbor, they got hit. Iraq did NOT attack us. Bin Laden is Saudi!!!!

[Carolab]

15. The troops themselves don't support this war.

Have you read the letters from soldiers on Michael Moore's site?

http://www.michaelmoore.com/books-films/willtheyevertrustusagain/index.php?archive=show

Did you read Cindy Sheehan's post from yesterday where she mentioned she had heard from a soldier who said he felt like he was an innocent man imprisoned in Iraq?

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"I got a letter from a soldier over in Iraq who says that he feels like an innocent man in prison. All of the soldiers and Marines who contact me say that they were lied to about the "mission." They were told that they would be rebuilding the country and all they are doing is trying to survive so their moms won't go through what I am going through."

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And what about the soldiers who have defected and gone to Canada?

The protestors love America and that's why they hate to see it has lost its moral authority in the world because of this war. They support the troops when they fight in a just war, for the defense of the U.S. This war is not that war. Therefore, the best way to support the troops is to bring them home so they don't have to fight it anymore.

Women's organizations have fought against the treatment of women under Islam theocratic regimes. And they are fighting against it now. This Constitution is a step backwards for women's rights in Iraq, despite the publicity to the contrary.

As for your analogy to the Nazis, Germans were deluded into thinking what Hitler was up to was a good thing. Later, when they wised up, there were plenty of underground activities to end the atrocities. Problem is, it was too little too late. And, a lot of people feared that if they opposed Hitler and the SS, they too would die. Is that what you'd like to see happen here?

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[Carolab]

21. You cannot attest to a "majority" unless you have interviewed all of them.

130,000 on the ground, I believe, is the number.

As for your "law of averages", the odds are that just as many do NOT as DO support the war, n'cest pas (pardon my French).

And, as for women's rights in Iraq at the PRESENT time, read this report from the BBC:

Here's a sample:

"Saddam-era rights

Under Saddam Hussein, Iraq had some of the most secular legislation in the region.

But all that could change, with hardline Shia members of the national assembly pushing for the country to be named the Islamic Republic of Iraq.

The committee drafting the constitution includes many women

"We are worried that the interpretation of Sharia law will take us backward and that people will think that, regarding women, the era of Saddam Hussein was better," Ms Damluji says.

A strict interpretation of Islamic law would mean that the evidence of a woman in court would count for only half that of a man.

And women would have significantly less say in matters of marriage and divorce."

More here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4715051.stm

[TexasThoughtCriminal]

Iraq was not a fundamentalist Islamic, anti-women regime under Saddam

Maybe you're thinking of Afghanistan under the Taliban. There's been a deliberate attempt on the part of the bush administration to blur the facts and muddy the issues of the players in the Middle East. But the scales are finally falling off the eyes of the American people. I hope they fall off yours too.

[crispini]

26. "sooner Iraq can get on with its new, free, collective life."

You do realize that the draft version of the Iraqi constitution is leaning heavily towards enshrining Islamic law as the basis for their laws?

And, I am a protester and I *love* the US. I love my country so much that I consider it my sacred duty to protest when I believe that my *government* is wrong.

[babylonsister]

8. You have a total of 2 posts; why should I believe you?

Convince me please because the more the merrier!

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[Not_Giving_Up]

10. I think my DU shirt would give me away

Wait, they would have to be able to read...

[longship]

20. If you're gonna do that, at least make some signs before you go

Support the President. Make big signs and wave them in front of every camera.

Death to Iraq
Support War, not Peace
More War
Nuke Iraq

You get the idea. Ratfuck them.

[WolverineDG]

30. what's really sad, longship

is that's what they were cheering about in crawford last week. that's why i started calling them "pro war supporters." the blood lust these people have is absolutely bone-chilling.

dg

[longship]

31. One just hopes that the tide changes, all the way.

I very much fear for what that would take. I'm not too much worried about the grassroots saber rattling but that at the top is truly frightening. They think that the US can use nukes without any consequences.

:scared:

[Technowitch]

24. *sprays some minty-fresh Troll-B-Gone*

As you were, folks. Have a great day.

-Technowitch
DU Moderator

[babylonsister]

28. LOL! I feel fresher now! Thanks! nt

[Not_Giving_Up]

25. Thanks moderator

For cleaning house so quickly!

[johncoby2]

27. Dress like hitler in support of Bush.

[Ian David]

29. Spread some sugar and powdered dogfood in their camp

Attract flies and fire ants.

[carpetbagger]

32. You can hear their conversations from across the road.

Relatively nondescript conversations, mostly the stuff you'd expect people to say if they believe that (1) we're fighting for freedom for Iraqis, (2) withdrawal from Iraq is the same as saying the US will never fight a war again, and (3) soldiers need to be pumped full of bullshit and propaganda to do their jobs.

[defiant1]

35. Or you can engage if you like....

Whenever I was standing on the line, holding my sign (which read Blind Faith in Bad Leadership is Not Patriotism on one side, and I Support Keeping the Troops Alive! on the other), I would catch some Pro-Bushers reading it (or at least trying to), and they would give me the death stare.

So I'd smile, and wave.

What I loved to do was find someone new, who hadn't seen either of my signs, then show them the side that said I Support Keeping the Troops Alive, they would read it, and smile or nod in agreement. Then I flipped it over, and Insta-Death Stare!!

Oh and not to brag or anything, but if anyone was down there this last week and noticed that the Bush Supporters across from the 1st campsite and their little tent had a Camp Reality sign across the trim, well I indirectly named it.

Last week I was down there, and I was staring across the line at this girl who couldn't have been more than 16-17. She was holding a sign that said her father was in Iraq, and she supported him and the president. She didn't like my sign it seemed, and she would give me the Death Stare whenever our eyes happened to catch each other. I sat down and wrote I Support Keeping the Troops Alive on the other side, and showed it to her. She got this weird look on her face, and went under the tent. A couple minutes later she emerged with a small sign with black letters that said Camp Reality. So lo and behold, a week later I get back down there, and there it is on a bigger sign in red lettering on the trim proudly proclaiming Camp Reality.

Of course the reality is we are the ones trying to get her father out of that warzone, but what's life without a little irony?

:patriot:

[DesEtoiles]

33. and hold up this sign: "Help! I'm surrounded by idiots!"

[defiant1]

34. I was so going to do that....

But I figured I would be tarred, feathered, drawn, quartered and sent to the four corners of the globe.