Police: Utah teacher fatally shot in parking lot

[Blue_Tires]

Source: AP

SALT LAKE CITY – Police say an assistant preschool teacher has been shot and killed as she was leaving a Salt Lake City-area school.

Unified Police Lt. Don Hutson says a 70-year-old woman has been arrested in the case. He says it's not clear whether the woman and the teacher knew each other.

Hutson says several shots were fired at the 34-year-old teacher as she was driving away from the school on Friday. Police have not identified the victim.

No students were at the Salt Lake CAP Head Start school classroom site at the time of the shooting.

Police say the teacher was taken to a local hospital, where she was pronounced dead.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100130/ap_on_re_us/us_teacher_shot_utah

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1. wtf? nt

[krispos42]

2. A 70-year-old women???

Jeex, that's unusual.

[tblue]

3. Oh how sad. And strange. Holy cow. nt

[Downwinder]

4. More on the story:

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700005762/Teacher-shot-to-death-in-Millcreek-parking-lot.html

[emilyg]

5. Very strange.

[Ex Lurker]

11. Based on her name, I'm going to take a wild guess that the victim was

a Russian mail order bride who divorced an abusive husband, and the shooter is somehow related to her ex.

[shadowknows69]

43. That's quite the theory. Not saying it can't be the case, but if true...

Could I consult you on some lottery numbers?

[shadowknows69]

45. But I'm pretty sure also that not every woman with an Eastern European sounding name

Is necessarily a Russian mail-order bride. Can't wrap my head around why that would be your first assumption?

[Ex Lurker]

66. no reason, call it a hunch n/t

[dustbunnie]

46. The Russian mail order bride thing is a big stretch, but you seem to have nailed the rest.

Also sounds like the murderer would've persevered, whether she had a gun or not.

[marshall]

67. The story gets stranger the more I read about it

The shooter was the dead woman's former mother in law. The dead woman and her ex-husband had two young children. The ex-husband took in teen age foster boys and Nikitina was frightened for the safety of her own children. The victim and her ex-husband have eastern European names--the shooter has what I would consider a more common Utah name.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

6. Good thing that guns are so easily accessible

Lord knows what would have have happened if they weren't...:sarcasm:

That poor teacher. 34 years old. I feel for those that will no longer have her in their life.

[cabluedem]

13. one day guns will be outlawed in the US. Its only a matter of time. nt

[safeinOhio]

22. That'll be a long, long time coming.

In the mean time there needs to be stricter guidelines on giving out CCWs. This mature woman did the crime, hope she is ready to do the time. The rest of her life.

[Pavulon]

24. That will be right after Jesus comes and takes everyone back

to the promised land. Never happening.

[Tim01]

49. 2nd amendment rights are gaining ground. You are not rational. nt

[proteus_lives]

61. Keep nursing your authoritarian dream.

But thankfully that will never happen.

[Zoeisright]

14. +100000

That is so sad. And so preventable.

[michreject]

20. How did this happen?

That was a gun free zone.

[sendero]

21. Don't worry..

... half the people here didn't get your point.

[wordpix]

55. all unstable nutcases should get permits to carry concealed weapons---they're militia, right?

:sarcasm:

[Tim01]

58. Obviously you are not aware,

that people with carry permits are on average much more law abiding, and much more proficient than police officers. I'll forgive your ignorance.
You think cops shouldn't be allowed to have guns? Please try to keep your emotions in check and apply reason consistently.

[MichaelHarris]

7. damn

gangbangers! :sarcasm:

[The Animator]

8. Just out of curiosity...

How can they know the victim was an assistant preschool teacher, if they haven't identified her?

[muriel_volestrangler]

44. That meant they hadn't identified her to the media

ie they hadn't yet given out her name publicly; which might be because they wanted to make sure next of kin were informed, and her children taken care of, before the media descends on them.

[proteus_lives]

9. A tragedy.

An old woman like that? I'm betting dementia or other mental illness.

I see others are already placing the blame on an inanimate object. It must be nice to take comfort in such easy and lazy answers.

[MichaelHarris]

15. She could have used

knitting needles but the gun was much easier.

[Pavulon]

28. Your point? What is your proposed course of action?

you going to ban guns, i think murder is already illegal. Why dont you finish up the drug ban champ then take a crack at gun laws when you eradicate weed..

[Kolesar]

19. Less ghastly cultures than America don't embrace firearms so madly.

edit:typo
I think I just found my new sig line. I'm so clever.

[Pavulon]

29. Like Switzerland..

no guns there. None, oh wait. Ever been to Zurich or geneva? There is NO CRIME. I mean you could pass out in the street with currency falling out of your pockets and the nice people would just put you in a cab.

[Kolesar]

32. too many layers of dumb sarcasm for me to do anything with

yawn

[Pavulon]

34. Here is a challenge for your herculean brain. Propose a solution

to gun violence? Meaningful law? something. I have done so many times. Simple problem to define, hard to enact. Comprehensive mental health care (50% gun deaths are suicide) and reforming drug laws to start.

Whats you plan?

[Kolesar]

35. Yeah, insult me, Mr. Anonymous flamebaiter

[Pavulon]

36. Plan, suggestions, ideas? Or is that to much to ask? dont be sensitive, just post content(nt)

[Kolesar]

39. I suggest you get a life

[Pavulon]

38. "to many layers of dumb sarcasm" and you put up a pity me post. Please respond with content.(nt)

[proteus_lives]

62. Clever?

:rofl:

Oh, does clever mean nonsensical where you come from?

[safeinOhio]

23. Dementia, mental illness?

She had a CCW.

[proteus_lives]

63. When she first got it?

Maybe it's a recent development.

Are drunk drivers plastered when they take their driver's exam?

[burning rain]

10. Is this a white-on-black crime?

Otherwise it's not worth posting at the ol' DU, because it doesn't give anyone a chance to preen.

[Lars77]

12. "Guns don't kill people"...

I'm sure this 70 year old woman could do an equal amount of damage with a knife..

[Pavulon]

25. Or a car. Old people in cars

kill more people in a year with cars than they do with guns.

[Kolesar]

27. Murder with malice? I don't think so!!!! eom

[Pavulon]

30. Because murder and guns were invented on the same day..

just imagine how peaceful and murder free the world was before guns were invented. BTW ever seen pictures from the london bombings. That explosive can be made with chemicals in your house.

[Kolesar]

31. The 70 year old would not have bombed the teacher, but the insane firearm solution was close at hand

...because she lived in a culture that promotes antisocial solutions to personal problems.

[Pavulon]

33. Yep. to much gangsta rap.

who knows. Lots of places have guns and dont have this problem. canada, switzerland and finland come to mind.

[Kolesar]

37. Wow, one whole sentence in your response

...and the "one sentence" didn't even say anything.

[Pavulon]

40. What is your plan to stop this going forward..?(nt)

[proteus_lives]

64. Why are you complaining?

You haven't said a word on this thread.

[MichaelHarris]

16. She was also

a concealed weapons permit holder. "She is a concealed weapons permit holder, and her most recent address is in Taylorsville."
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700005762/Teacher-fatally-shot-in-parking-lot.html

At least she had the gun handy I guess, made it a lot easier for her. I mean think about it, if she drove home to get the gun, load it, and then drive back to the school she might have changed her mind. Thank goodness she had a carry permit, that saved her a lot of gas. :sarcasm:

[Tim01]

50. Don't be stupid. She was driving a car. Cars kill people all the time. nt

[Faith No More]

53. Cars are designed for transportation

Guns are weapons, designed to kill.

[Tim01]

54. Just say cars don't kill people, just say it.

And just admit that you find guns scary and that is the real bottom line for you. Noting else matters to you, including the fact that my 93 year old aunt kept an intruder from smashing through her front door by shooting at him with her .38 revolver.

Just admit that you don't care at all if guns actually save more people than they hurt. And admit that you don't care if cars kill more people than guns. You don't like guns, and you don't care what they actually do, you want them to all go away. Just admit it.

[Blandocyte]

17. Shooter had a concealed carry permit

Those folks aren't criminals. Until they are.

[Kolesar]

18. They armed paradise, and shot up the parking lot

Like your comment :hi:

[Pavulon]

26. Your point? What is your proposed course of action?

just curious.

[proteus_lives]

65. Drunk driver had a license.

Those folks aren't criminals. Until they are.

[proud2BlibKansan]

41. What a tragedy and sickening

that these threads turn into gun nut battles.

Could we give it a rest and express sympathy for thie woman and her family?

My first thought was hoping none of the children at the preschool saw this shooting. But that's just me I guess. :shrug:

[shadowknows69]

42. Why do I have a bad feeling this was something politically or religiously motivated?

Of course that's about my default setting for such tragedies these days. Did this 70 year old murderess not like what was being taught to the children?

[muriel_volestrangler]

47. Unlikely, I think - see the link in #4

It seems likely the killer was related to the abusive ex- (or separated) husband of the victim. More likely arguments about custody, the accusations of abuse etc.

[shadowknows69]

48. Yeah just read the update. Hate to say I'm glad it's only a domestic thing.

But my mother and father are teachers, and if there's all of a sudden some right wing attacks on the "librul" edukators, I'm going to have some sleepless nights.

[unabelladonna]

51. my theory

the younger woman was having an affair with the older woman's husband/lover.

[Tim01]

52. The victim had a restraining order against her former husband,

the shooter is related to the husband.

It looks like the divorce was getting very ugly.

[wordpix]

56. how about reading the articles posted, instead of posting a theory based on nothing?

geesh

[Berry Cool]

57. I can't help but wonder if maybe it was a multiple-wife thing.

And no, I haven't been watching too much Big Love. Just wondering.

There's definitely got to be more to it than meets the eye.

[Tim01]

59. I think either the victim was being really nasty in her divorce,

and made the husband and his family crazy, OR the husband was painting her that way.

I've seen divorces get so very crazy. I've seen women try to wipe out their husbands by making up stories about abuse and all kind of stuff, it makes the husbands want to kill them. And I have also seen husbands completely loose it and make up the most ridiculous stuff.


I know one woman who filed assault charges against her husband and got him kicked out of their big farm house, and then started slowly killing the animals and playing dumb about how they were dieing. She killed his dog first.

[truth2power]

68. My first thought when I read this yesterday

was, "Look at the Civil Protection Order." I'll bet that's where the root of this lies, in one way or another.

I heard one lawyer refer to the CPO as a "Hillbilly Divorce." That is, the wife alleges abuse, has the husband thrown out of the home and away she goes with everything he owns, leaving him penniless. I think the CPO is one of the most often abused DR Court actions.

Typically, the court believes, on its face, whatever the woman alleges on her affidavit and doesn't even bother to consider that there may be another side. Women can embroil their husbands/ex-husbands in litigation for years, fighting over absolutely nothing at all.

Women are not always victims. Some are just, well......grifters.


edit> typo

[Jennicut]

60. I am 34 and going back to school to be a preschool teacher

so this freaks me out on many levels.
Sounds like a really nasty divorce, how horrible.